By the way Jason, there’s a guy by the name of Mike Croche living in Haleiwa who worked for me for a number of years. Really great guy who knows a lot of stuff. Works at Chart House. You might try looking him up. I’ll try to get a number for you.
Thanks Greg
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I can’t wait to get a comparison between RR and the Fiberglass Hawaii epoxy
anyone, beuler…beuler…
Well for those that are interested in the RR vs. FH comparison i got an email back from richard price who was using FH and is now using RR resin.
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"The rr epoxy is nice. The difference so far is the second coat is so glossy that the boards are slipping off sanding racks. The fast set up time is too slow compared to FH. Second coat tape pulls were premature and lots of drips on the first few boards.
For the red-x fin boxes your product is pretty amazing. Minimal bubble ups. Sanding is slightly better than FH. The most noticeable difference is the viscosity is about half that of FH which will be an advantage when we get more familiar with your product".
Talked to Greg about the slower kick time and he told me that the slower kick time for RR had to do with the safety aspect of using the resin (The RR formula is safer).
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There are certain things we do in formulating that make the chemicals safer to use. I REALLY believe in using those methods. I use the stuff myself and can’t imagine using these chemicals being formulated in any other way. ONE slip up and you’ve screwed how many of your customers? No thanks, I don’t mind if the hot coats take 15 minutes longer to pull the tapes.
I wanted to use the full 15 gallons before making a complete FH resin comparison. The reply I sent was to a JT inquiry of how things were going, was a few days after he dropped off the product and I had only glassed 5 boards then. You guys are getting your underwear in a knot over nothing but innocent observations. After using a product with great success for 3 years you develop a routine how you use that product. I’m just getting into a RR grove which is taking time. Regarding the set time of RR.The fast hardener might be slow, but the cure time to being able to handle the board is shorter. If you had a glassing factory with 10 racks, 15 minutes is not a big deal. For me it’s noticable because I am baby sitting my second coats which was never the case before.
Speaking of slip ups, I use heavy canvas drop cloths for the small amount of resin drips that occur when glassing with epoxy. RR is very slippery stuff. A little drop is like an ice patch. But I have solved that problem also.
I wanted to do a blinded study on the comparison of products for the glasser and sander. It would be impossible to do because the products are so different it would be easy to tell which one you are using. Overall the RR is superior and I will write a detailed comparison in a couple of weeks.
Back to the coal mine,
cp
Thanks for the comparison Jtroy and CMP. I have been looking forward to it. I want to move on to epoxy to replace polyester but have been somewhat weary of some of the drawbacks of delaming in the heat beacause my boards spend a lot of time locked in the car. Plus my shapes are honestly not up to par yet and I feel i need to hone my skills a little more before i start moving on to better fabrication materials. I know my neighbors are not too fond of me glassing but they have been great sports about it and i try to only do it during the day when most are at work.
Plus you know me CMP hippie tree hugger always lookin for a better alternative:)
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beacause my boards spend a lot of time locked in the car.
Hawaii State BPS(board protective service) might be calling on you. Would you treat your dog or child like that???
If your neighbors are raising an eye brow about your polyester glassing you need to switch. I have never had a heat delam or any other for that matter with epoxy. You can use epoxy on any type of foam. Also my eps stringered blanks are the same price as pu conventional foam. Next board just substitute the resin you use and you will be suprised.
hey skeletor…
the heat delam problem that i told you about was on crapy home depot 1lb foam glue together with spay adheasive and glassed pretty light for 1lb foam… i wouldn’t worrie about it at all over a clark blank… make the switch, you’ll won’t regret it. i actaully look forward to glassing now and i don’t have to wait for my house to be empty or wait for my negibors to be gone + it is lighter and stronger and cheaper…
Gregg, not sure if you saw my other post or not. Jim Phillips shaped me a quad fish which I am glassing myself. First epoxy i’ve done start to finish. Box install to lam,hotcoat and sand. Laminating the deck tonite. Hope to be sanding it on friday or knowing me…sat. the day before the fish fry. I’ll post up my thoughts on how the resin was to work with, and of course how she rides. Been riding a Pavel quad fish religiously for the last 8 months, so this should be great test!
Stoked!
Jim shapes some pretty stuff… where is Jim??? He’s supposed to be here. Nice looking board. I’m anxious to hear the results.
No worries! He’s here on the hill. We (in oceanside) have determined that if you work on the hill, then you may suffer from what we call “mental hillness” LOL, and you can never leave. Ha J/K
He just finished a 4 month project for Bonga Perkins making him a couple hot curl replicas. Beautiful boards. He dropped off some additive F so i can shoot a hotcoat tonite. Gonna surf this thing sunday then I’ll post up!
Well all sanded and ready to ride. Finished weight is about 2 and 1/2 pounds under the poly. Sanding was no prob. Could use some more practice with the hotcoat tape offs and such, but other than that is was no big deal. Feels pretty dang hard as well. Post up some more pics later, but if you want to ride it come to o-side north jetty tomorrow morning!