Screenprinting a Board

Ive had this idea for awhile, and ive been looking through the archives and havent seen any mention of it. Im gonna kick myself if someone runs with this and patents it or something, but what the hell, pass it on, let it grow right? My idea is to come up with a process to screenpprint directly to the surface of a board. To do this I imagine coming up with some kind of flexible, pliable frame for the screen, like maybe some kind of wire or something that could support enough tension to stretch the screen and also mold to the contour of the board. Or maybe even stretching the screen all the way across the board, have a layer something underneath (butchers paper, wax paper) protecting the board and do the photo emulsion process right on the board itself. I know this would probably be tough to pull off and there would be a lot of things to work out, but I think with some experimentation it could be possible. If I ever pull this off, the first picture ill do is james brown full length on the deck screaming!(ive always wanted a james brown board) but really though, what do you guys think of this, is it completely ridiculous? or has this already been done? replies appreciated

Rob

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You would need a way to program the dimensions and countours of the surfboard into the printer. Having the screen stretch wouldn’t be enough - the image would get distorted. You can’t blindly wrap a flat image around a three-dimensional shape and get good results.

Find out what kind of screens are used in the skate and snow board industry. They have to screen on curved services.

skateboard screens are really barely curved, and for snowboards the printing is flat since it is done before they are pressed. Your best bet is large format printing on rice paper, basically a big laminate, as far as skateboards and snowboards they are really making the move to sublimation anyways.

Interesting idea… but there’s a few considerations. I kinda moonlight a little, doing rep stuff for a screen printer up thisaway, and I know a very little about it.

First, it’s not just one screen, it’s one for every color. And that means your original graphic has to be shot, color separated into standard inks, all kinds of fun like that. Figure ( for a large screen ) fifty bucks US per screen times what, four colors? $200 right there.

Art time - what time it takes to do each screen in addition to the basic charge for the screens and photosensitive stuff they use in the process. That’s $50 an hour and up, prolly a 3 hour minimum. We’re up to $350.

The screens themselves, well, we’re talking a one of a kind unit here, so if you have registration marks on both the shaped blank and the screens, so everything lines up. For that, you could use any of several ways to get the screen material temporarily attached, including hot gluing the back of it together.

Then there’s the Tunnel of Love. See, for a lot of screenprinting inks, the type used in the clothing/textile market, they run 'em through a heated box about 20 feet long with a conveyor belt at the bottom, so the inks cure. This might have some unpleasant effects on your shaped blank. I could pretty much guarantee it’d distort. And they are not gonna come up with special inks for foam just for this one item, trust me on this one.

Note, above, I mentioned one of a kind graphics - that’s cos you can’t go and sell a zillion boards with the same graphic unless you’re surf tech ( or a ski/snowboard/skateboard company ) so you wind up with about $500 tied up in your graphics alone.

Oh, and you better make that an epoxy board, 'cos chances are that the styrene in the resin will dissolve at least some of the inks. If you were gonna be really clever about it, you’d do your graphic flat, on, say, some Divinycell foam or something and vaccum bag it to the deck like Bert does it , that would at least be easier.

I think you’ll find that they use a similar process when they print skateboards and such, the graphic is done as a flat item and then stuck on somehow, might even be printed on flat Mylar and rolled on with heat. They do screen-print curvilinear items like, say, promotional beer cups or that sort of thing, but that’s small screens, cheap items and thousands of units.

Doing the photo emulsion right on the board…well, I suppose you could, but again it’d be a number of different shots, one for every color, then wash 'em to get the unhardened emulsion off, then print, then remove all the emulsion from that shot ( and they use pressure washers and nasty chemicals for that ) which might have some interesting effects on the underlying ink and glass - 'cos you couldn’t do it on the foam, guarantee the pressure washer is gonna do a little shaping of its own. And through the Tunnel of Love ( delamination city ) and the whole process again. Then, you’d have to do it again, and again, for every color.

Now, there may be a way around this. What if you printed, very lightly, the fiberglass cloth? While it will distort the image, while your costs are gonna be high unless you run your cloth through with Somebody Else’s screens, maybe their t-shirt du jour, align the graphic on the board, temporarily pin it there with some long common pins and remove 'em as you laminate the board. Assuming no probs with the inks and resin, assuming that the lamination was ok ( not necessarily wetting the cloth out real well what with all the ink on there blocking how the cloth took up resin, that’s why I said lightly printed ) then it might work. Though that is a lot of extra effort when the rice paper or airbrush is so relatively easy to do, y’know?

hope that’s of use, somehow or other

doc…

I have used several inks on foam that do not need to be heat cured, matter of fact I use screenprinting ink as my airbrush ink as well as NOVA, its airdry The screenprinting ink has better adhesion than most tempras and alot more pop,

After working in the screen printing industry for over 15 years, I’ll have to agree with surflab and doc on this one. If you are doing a few boards, then screen printing is impratical. If you are doing thousands, then it makes sense. The exception would be a small logo in one color.

The large format inkjet printer is the way to go for surfboards. In addition to the rice paper, there is a fabric that can be printed on. I think it was originally designed for the garment industry so they could try out different prints without spending thousands of dollars. I’ve never tried it, so I don’t know if it becomes completely transparent when it’s saturated with resin. Several months ago, this or a similar fabric was discussed, and someone was doing it with great success. It’s in the archives if anyones interested.

I just picked up an Epson inkjet printer on Ebay for $100 that prints 17" wide by any length, so I’ll probably be trying out this fabric idea in the near future.

Wow, awesome. You guys really put alot of things into perspective for me. That has really helped me to refine my idea and given me a few different ways to go with it. Thank you, very much appreciated

Rob