Hey,
I was watching singlefin yellow and noticed something… during the shaping segment, it sure looks like the planing is done first and the outline cut second. Is this correct? Have I been doing it backwards (cut outline then plane)???
What benefits are there to planing first?
i used to cut first and then plane, but now i skin, plane to thickness, crown/roll, then cut, and then put on the rails and bottom contours. it gives me a more symmetric, even surface when cutting the outline, and seems to result in a better shape. the entire progression of making the board this way just seems to work better for me, although i’m not sure what specifically (if anything) makes it work out like that. it just sorta does. anyhow, give it a shot if you feel like changing it up.
as for the shaping scene in Singlefin: Yellow (and the whole rest of the movie), i think i’ve watched it about 98746516516189451619816 times.
Hey Trucker,
If my blank choice is pretty close to the end result - I like to template first. The squared off sides help me to see minor foil/rocker/etc adjustments easier. In a close blank scenario - neither method would seem overwhelming the right or wrong way (IMHO).
Now if the blank selection is on the liberal side of the end result – good practice would seem to be skinning first, rough foil/rocker/etc adjustments, then template, and final adjustments. Would like to hear more thoughts from others though.
Best,
Herb B.
Hmm…,
Thanks.
Since I generally make boards for “customers” (i.e., indulgent friends or poor people who want to avoid retail), I don’t have too many opportunities to mess around. Maybe on the next board I make for myself.
If anyone feels strongly one way or the other, definitely let me know!
I’ve worked with different guys who do it both ways.
Do it the way you feel most comfortable, and accurate.
Hey trucker,
I assume singlefin Yellow is a DVD - I’ve never seen it in Oz. Is it a new release or oldie? Is the shaping scene/s detailed or only a short part of the movie? A commercial shaper I know always does most of the thickness/rocker/foil first before cutting out the outline and swears by it. Others do the opposite - I think guys adopt the process that works for them and go with that. Both work - us mere mortals have to find what we are comfortable with and …maybe even try both.
Yep, Bish, we’ve got ‘Singlefin Yellow’ here in Perth…I think maybe Dick Hoole distributes, but I can check for you , if you like ?
On the cutting question …
Well, I’ll have done BOTH ‘methods’ on the “mal” , by the time it’s finished …it’s NOT what you’d call a close tolerance blank , by any means …
Since I screwed up because of the 6" or whatever thickness, [and because I suck] … at Hickstergrant’s on Friday I hope to [scary thought !!] use the ‘beast’ […the now-vacuumed planer !!], and get it down to at least 2 3/4" then true it all up / ? re-template it?
see what happens, anyway…
ben
Hey trucker,
I assume singlefin Yellow is a DVD - I’ve never seen it in Oz. Is it a new release or oldie? Is the shaping scene/s detailed or only a short part of the movie? A commercial shaper I know always does most of the thickness/rocker/foil first before cutting out the outline and swears by it. Others do the opposite - I think guys adopt the process that works for them and go with that. Both work - us mere mortals have to find what we are comfortable with and …maybe even try both.
I’ve always skinned the blank, planed it to desired thickness, hit a few planer strokes on the deck rails, then lay outline on the bottom for downrailed boards.
The thinner the blank is at the rails, the easier it is to true to 90 degrees, getting a true replication of your original template.
When I was shaping without templates, same thing. That perfect 90 is tough to achieve with a 2+" thick rail.