Show us your Paipo's / Prone boards

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 Unclegrumpy

All this stuff about getting a board into an airline bag, I'm guessing, but I can hear you saying,

"Fly to the bloody beach, walk the beach and surrounds, see what you find, maybe go the local hardware, buy some cheap hand tools, make something that surfs and enjoy yourself."

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That sounds about right, but to be perfectly honest, I personally have NEVER flown to surf.

Been on plenty of driving surfaris and have surfed much of the west coast, from Washington on down to Playa Azul, but never once got on a plane to surf.  

Rod, on the other hand galavants all over the globe......................

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That footage of the guy trying the different boards is classic and sums up standing on paipos beautifully. The guy is a great surfer and can ride anything, but looking at all that footage, he rips the best on the quad fin normal board, although he can do anything he wants on the paipo,  the quad just looks so much more versatile … So would he choose to ride a paipo standing everyday, rather than a more suitable board? … No!

I had a lot of experience with this from my boards. I made a 3’9" bellboard and this guy came and asked if he could have a ride. He ripped, just like the guy in the clip you linked us too. Then he asked me to make a 4’11", which I did and it ripped, then I made him a 5’10" and he ripped on that, but in the end he wanted a 5’7" quad. 

Heres some youtube of what I’m talking about. The guy I was taliking about riding bellyboard standing is in this clip.

To anyone that has watched my youtube clips from the “geometry in surfboards” thread comments, theses are not new, same clips.

The first board is the 4"11" (different rider)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yryf2VDB_Mg&feature=channel

 

The same guy on a 5’10" in this clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnqJr1EenQs&feature=relmfu

 

Thanks cuttlefish, really enjoyed that clip, its great.

 

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Rodndtube

My mind is trying to avoid the tubes system, because I would always be thinking if I get slammed I’m going to get stabbed. Might not be real, its just that I would fear that. I’m sure guys with tube joins know that fear is nonsense. But in reality people like me wouldn’t even want to challenge the fear and so wont want to purchase. Stupid I know, but I want to consider other directions

I have been thrown about 2 metres onto rocks with a bellyboard fins up, did a twist and managed to break the fins and crush the tail area of the board.

idea1

An idea going through my head at the moment is a sort of biscuit join system. You know those things you buy at the hardware shop, for joining sheets together so they stay flush. Well to NOT to use them but a similar system.

So imagine 3 sheets of any material on top of each other. imagine all three fixed in position. Now imagine if the sheet in the middle had a shape cut out and it fitted perfectly into the shape it was cut out of. So lets say an oval that fits perfectly into an oval. That oval can’t move, it also can’t hurt you like a tube could. 

So the question is of materials and thicknesses. Do they exist? Would you have to make a mould … very expensive!

A simple CNC machine program will cut out shapes to fit perfectly … thats easy.

I’d make that biscuit about 3/4 inch shorter than the cases length. If the biscuit and its case can be made strong and light and easily fitted solidly into a board, then it could work. Its possibly a difficult path to pursue.

 

idea2

An angled slice, could be straight or a radius, starts on deck forward, goes to bottom rear, could easily have locating methods, locking methods. Easily designed on CAD, easily cut for final fitting on CNC or purpose CNC made jigs.

 

idea3

Overlapping lip, I’ll try and explain in words, not easy, looking down at the deck, there is a male half oval (the top part of the rear half of the board) on top of a female cut out half oval that is the front of the board at the middle join, (sounds pornographic) and the same would continue on the botttom. This would give a lot of join strength and no sharp bits to fear. 

 

idea4

A variation or combination of some of the above concepts.

 

Does any of that make sense … a lot of words no pics … want pics?

They are only ideas, seeds washed up on a beach. Tommorrow I will have other ideas.

Dont stress, ideas start of complex, end up simple.

 
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John,

 

Properly made, it would take one hell of  a force to break the board and impale you. A far mor elikely scenario, is a crease or sag if it was to break.  Also, the force would be pushing the join down and the rods away from you. Far more likley to be injured by the fins..

 

Bob

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returning to paipo designs for a moment ,

 

  a couple of questions , if I may , please ?

 

1. how much nose rocker would your paipos generally have , for you guys , for the waves you ride on a daily basis ?

 

  and

 

2. as  you're lying down , and ? maybe half ? of your body is in the water behind the board ,

 

  does much tail rocker help .... or hinder ?    do you generally end up going with pretty flat tail rocker ?

 

3. edit ...third question ...

 

....how do you arrive at the 'ideal' length , width , thickness , rails , contours , fin[s] setups [or not?] on so short a board ......is it trial and error , mostly , or is there a general kind of [rider's] weight to size of craft ratio / formula ??

 

.....thanks for your answers , in advance , guys !

I LOVE this thread ! !

 

  Although not a prone rider [well, I DID enjoy surf mats a few summers ago , confession !] ,

  I would be interested to give it a go ...  my 4'11 fish that I made Dane [ a mate's son ] , 10 years ago , would probably work better with a pair of flippers , prone or kneeboarding , than the standup attempts I had on it at [ ...John , you might know this place?] "boat ramp"  [the N.S.W  south coast one ]

 

   malaroo , you and 'surffoils' have GOT to meet one day ...!!!  [ you've both got that maaaad inventor streak thing going on , that sways needs !]

 

Keep up the 'mad science' [as a guy called it , on my 'fin panels' thread   haha !]

 

  cheers guys !

 

  ben

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Chippy

 

Were you lucky enough to get the boat ramp, where the mountains meet the sea, and its a left that works on a North swell high tide? Way down the south coast? Surrounded by kangaroos. Jump in a channel between the rocks and the current takes you out to the take off. I Think that is one of the most beautiful beaches in Australia.

 

Or are you talking about the place that is 1 1/2 metres when its 50’ on the open beaches, works once every 2 or 3 years? I doubt it! I was in the club for that one, 24 years ago I rode it in a big storm, storm surge High tide over the grass, offshore 2 metre waves, weekday, 4 of us out. I went back everytime it could be working, and the same 4 guys were there everytime. Never got it 2 metres again … bugger!

 

Ahh, there’s another near Nowra, right hand, lots of weeds? Which one Chippy?

 

One thing I learn’t about paipo’s is that there are so many different schools of style and board. And they all work so well for the different types of riders. My boards are mini surfboards, exactly the same as getting a 6’2" x 20.5" and scaling it down to a 3’9" x 20.5". The tail rocker is critical, just as it is to a surfboard. Fin placement is the same as a surfboard. Rails, same as a surfboard. Characteristics are same as a surfboard.

 

When riding, its hands on the front, pushing a pulling (thats the main controlling method), gut and hips pushing the tail, legs sometimes pushing a turn, a lot of time in the air.

 

Some guys like longer boards, like the 4’11" you have. That would be a monster for me. Bob Green, likes boards around that length, maybe a bit smaller. He surfs with a big smile in his face.

 

Me and Surfoils are looking for an opportunity … he knows I’m going to wear him out and he will have to get his wife to make an excuse (come to bed sweet heart its late) to get me out of there. Looking forward to his work in progress being tested.

 

I’m used to the Mad inventor stuff, been designing for a living, solving other peoples problems since 1990. I’ve made some people rich, by giving them a product that worked, when their proto type as a joke. No money, but I believe in myself because of that. I’ve been a millionaire twice, now going through a poor stage … only temporary though and loving having the time to pursue things.

 

Thanks for the input Chippy! Love your fin threads and those pics.

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Hey Bob

Do you want to tell us more about your bisect?

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Was it a custom order, lots of swearing, but in the end they made it?

Is it easy to get a biflex made? Does someone specialize in doing that?

Did it cost a lot more?

Do you want to post pics this thread? Dont have to as your link previous has the pics.

Is there any characteristic you would like see improved?

How much heavier is it?

Are you and rodndtube the only jet setting paipo riders on the planet?

Is it weaker than a normal board?

If you were walking along a rocky point with your flippers on “after getting a barrel” and you saw Chippy sitting on the rocks wearing a foil hat with a remote in his hand, and this distracted you and you fell on the board, would the board handle that impact?

(check out chippies personal page pic)

Sorry … a lot questions … just when you can if you want.

 

 

rodndtube

I tried twice to sign up to the paipo boards forum and it kept saying wrong answer to what is the best surfcraft to ride? answer …  A paipo board.

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Hello John,

The board was made custom for me. I took one of John Galera's boards to Jason Oliver and he copied the design, but made it a little thicker and included the bisect. John gave his ok for this project as long as I didn't label it as one of his boards. Originally Jason had suggested another guy but this fell through - I suspect he realised it was going to take longer/was harder to make than imagined. Jason came good and made it.  It didn't cost appreciably more than what I've been paying, but he also knew what he was doing.

 

It's lighter than the original which was glassed with 2 x 12 oz of glass each side. The board would handle the impact just as well as any other board. I've never been worried about it failing.

 

Rod and I do get around, but I know of a few other well travelled paipo riders.

 

If you're having trouble signing up to the paipo site, e-mail me what is going on and I'll let Rod know. For some reason some Aussies have trouble with the site.

 

Bob

 

 

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Hey, be fair now! Not ALL over the globe… only Hawaii, Calif, Oregon/Washington, FL, Puerto Rico (where I spent most of my youth), Costa Rica and France. I do a fair amount of driving along the Mid-Atlantic USA (New Jersey to Cape Hatteras). So, ya see, that leaves out SO MUCH of the surfable areas of the world – Indian Ocean from East Africa to Indonesia to West Australia, most of Oceania, NW Pacific (e.g., Japan), Eastern Atlantic (Ireland, England, Spain, Portugal, Canaries and West Africa like the Gulf of Guinea) and both coasts of South America!

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Chippy, at someone else said, there is a huge range of variation in the paipo world – not unlike the foot surfing world, but probably more variation for the numbers of riders. It also very hard to generalize – that would be like extrapolating a fish stand-up rider to all foot surfing. It is fair to say that most paipo boards range from 3 to 5 feet long, but some range downward in length and much longer in length (in cases where prone is equated to paipo). It is similar with respects to generalizing on board width, thickness, rockers, rails, fins, and materials. Some people ride forward on the board and others ride further back. Obviously, the nature of the board can somewhat dictate the riding style, e.g., a traditional wooden UK bellyboard with the large scooped up nose. And, a rider’s preference and style can somewhat dictate the type of board or visa versa.

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Many people in the surfing community venture out beyond their immediate locales or driving radius (defined as one day driving?). I am going back to Costa Rica in about a week with a paipo riding friend who is originally from Richmond, VA, but now living in Okinawa for a couple of years. We spent two weeks in Costa Rica this past March and are doing it again in June before he goes in for knee surgery. I know of some folks that fly to south Baja from Central Calif, another guy that flies from the Big Island to Samoa and elsewhere… it goes on-and-on. I used to travel a lot for my job so now that I am retired doesn’t mean I retired from life! And, I always traveled to my homeland in Puerto Rico… my Borinquen heritage compels me to do that!

Regarding the paipo forums… I moved to a new service provider almost 2 yrs ago because many people outside the USA had trouble with the old service provider (I experienced that myself while in Europe on a non-surfing trip). Since updating the forums on a new service provider there have not been any problems… just try a one word answer – the middle one from above!!! You can also email me directly - there are email links on the paipo web pages.

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try again

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Registration worked, you could be losing a lot of (not brigght enough to work it out) paipo riders with that limited answer ......... 

 

Todays bisect thought

The simple version .... I LOVE THIS VERSION!

 

1) Make a board full legth(will cut later), remembering case is 28x24x9

so two halves will have to be less than 28" long. 

2) laminate it, filler resin it, dont finish coat it.

3) In the deck only [will do bottom later] (so the board is held together and maintains its shape) Cut a panel into the top, lets say an oval, 27 1/2" long and create a seate system inset into the top. It can be ruff as guts,[needs some nuts for bolts to screw into] because to create the panel that fits it, just put a resin barrier, like a mould release wax and build the panel in the area. So the seat system will simply be a glassed inserted area with some stainless steel nuts glassed in.

4) Get the saw out, slice through the seat area, but not further. So the board is still held together by the fiberglass.

5) Wax the slot you just cut.

6) Build the plate in the cut out oval area, layers of glass, what ever number you want.

7) Shape it to the deck, put the bolts through, (I think they should be screwed in while you make panel, screwed ouy to shape) lock it in, do up the screws.

8) Do the same on the bottom

9) cut it right through, glass the cut, water proof it.

10) Ride it and get barrelled.

 

Summary

You end up with a board joined by two panels, one top and one bottom. 

The panels are screwed (stainless I guess) into the seated inset area. 

The seated area can be built ruff as guts, because you goig to resin proof it and build the panel into it.

The panels are built into the seated inset area so they fit perfectly. 

The board is repairable. 

No precise technology needed. 

Anyone can make one, its guaranteed to line up, the panels are guaranteed to be perfect fit. 

Will both panels get boken and pearce you ..... I doubt it. 

Two panels, gives ultimate strength ..... 

You have control of the panels strength and the screw strength.

 

I know this will work and is so simple to make.    

ENJOY!

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A necessary evil to keep the spam bots at bay.

>> Registration worked, you could be losing a lot of (not brigght enough to
work it out) paipo riders with that limited answer …

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today...

 I had a 'prone board' ride ....

  Rowan's latest score ...a foamie !  

 

He found one , on  a verge collection , while he was on his way to my place for a surf ...yewwww , stoked !!

 

  so fast , and so much fun !  we were giggling like a couple of hyperactive grommets , even when taking beatings !

[ probably need to pray I don't go over to "the dark side"  ... ha  ! .... but that I will keep on standing up !  heh heh ]

 

  Ro , the little bugger , stood up , freefell dropped into a few headhigh bombs ...he even managed to get tubed [?!] .... 

 

I , however , hadn't  ridden a foamie , standing up , since ? 1970 ? ..... so I was a bit rusty on the nuances of a four [?5"] thick rail board , 5' something tall , with basically no rocker and strange foil ... 

 

.....luckily [?], it still had one [rubber] fin in the back , to 'kinda' hold it in , a 'bit' [?]...

 

my one standup attempt on it ...

 

  ended like this [?!!]

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  ...classic photo ... thanks , Rowan !  [ this just might become my new 'avitar' [/ profile] photo , I think !]

he said it reminded him of "the green lantern" [I guess I'll have to google search it ?  Rowan ['superman' ] , likes his super heroes , it would seem ...boys will be boys , eh !]

 

I digress , sorry ...

 

so , anyway ...

  here's a shot of the foamie's outline .

 

  a double flyer rounded squaretail   ha

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the ..er... " foil " [?!] and rocker

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I REALLY want to ride this again , and get a few more prone photos [don't think I've talked Ro into proning on it [yet]

 

...to be continued ....

 

  cheers guys !

 

  ben

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Inflatable paipo?

http://www.inflatable-sups.com/original-liquid-shredder-42-surfboard/

no picture again!

I will try and convert the jpg to a jpg on my computer!

 

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Maybe theres a market for a collapsible prone craft , something that fits inside a 6 inch tube that can fit under the seat of your car or is small enough to be carry-on luggage on a plane.

 I know not everyone is into prone. 

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THIS was fun , Brett !

 

  this guy [darren] generously let me have a few goes on it [yes I MADE myself prone !!]

 

 a fairly deep SINGLE concave , and twin keels , glassed on ...he bought three of them ...the Bing Surfboards 'speed square' ....

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twin keels [ the fishes view ] ....

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Darren STANDS on his ....

june3rd2012304cr.jpg

 

.... from memory , it's about a 4'6 " x ? 23" ?  model [the website has the dimensions somewhere there , I think ?]

 

  cheers !

 

  ben

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Looks like a fast machine, Chippy! How do you get these people to give you goes on their boards. If I’m out in the surf and I see this guy on an interesting board and I say “Mate that’s an intersting board you’ve got there, Can I have a go?” You know what the answer will be.

Does the same technipue work for women?

 

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haha

 

  women is where i fail

 

  miserably

 

  here's what i do ...

 

  photograph them

 

  wait a minute ...

 

i'm talking about the surfboard getting a try issue first ....

 

then , when i've taken a hundred or so photos of them ripping on the board ,

 

  i walk away nonchalantly

 

  sometimes

 

the sad puppy eyes can work a treat

 

  i have found salivating profusely while eyeing them off [boards OR broads]   does NOT work

 

...well, for ME at least ...

 

  but maybe if i drove a ferrari , was a west coast eagles star , had a six pack , or was an ...er..."celebrity...well then ...WHO  knows eh ?

 

[you better private message me your tips , mala !]

 

 cheers you stud you

 

  ben