Here's one for the purists and I would expect a lively debate. We all know Bob was spinning out on his plastic machines in Hawaii and Dick had the pocket rockets going. I know what I reckon and it might suprise you. I know a few things about it and more. I am interested to get to the truth or will it always be about opinions, cheers H. ps I dont know how to put pics on here unless I have them on my computer, so some help there would be appreciated, dont make that the 1st post, pm me or just post the pic, thanks.
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The 1967 photo (right) by Dick Graham had great significance. Dick took the shot at the Palm Beach, Windansea vs Australia contest in November 1967. When Dick shot this image there was not another board even slightly similar to it, in Australia or any other country. By comparison surfers like Nat and McTavish were still riding 9 foot plus. Nat was still riding 'Sam', his long round bottom Woods board (see below). McTavish had never seen a vee bottom until November 1967. The board McTavish saw in November 1967 was made in July 1967 at Palm Beach, NSW.
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“not knee high to fck all? or not even born? beliving everything thats on the net seems to be the usual sways trip”
**what u on about huie
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** i dont believe or give a flying who rekons they invented it . if such and such didnt, someone else would have.yes like most things and as you told me over the phone no one really started it it was from collective input.
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** it went backwards through the 70s tho. yas had it right with egg and twin keeled fish
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Which Dick came first?
OK, so if this isn't too crude of an opener, I will explain myself. My question is a simple one, but one that has troubled me for many years. I am puzzled as to which of these events occurred:
1. Someone (somebody had to be first didn't they?) named Richard thought it was a grand idea to go by a nickname which was also slang for the male genitalia "penis."
2. Penis slang was personified for someone nicknamed Dick who perhaps resembled in appearance or actions the male genitalia.
3. Some "coincidence" which cannot be explained. Adding to the uniqueness of this nickname is that Dick only shares two letters with Richard. Can you imagine for example "Pussy" being an acceptable nickname for Priscilla. Or "Tits" for Theresa. Perhaps "Ass" for Osama is on the way into the language and we don't even know it yet.
— Justin aka "Kneecap"
Sure, or perhaps "to Cecil" will come to mean "to be wise beyond one's years."
Obviously the name came first. The name Richard is very old, although its origin is disputed. Old English had Richeard, from Ric (ruler) and heard (hard); French had Richart, and Old German had Ricohard. The name Richer was also fairly common until the 13th Century or thereabouts.
In those days, manuscripts, letters, grocery lists, and everything else was written by hand; it was therefore common and easier to use agreed-upon abbreviations. "Rich." was used for "Richer" and "Ric." for "Richard" or "Ricard."
Richard and Ricard were equally popular in the Middle Ages, and the abbreviations led naturally to diminutives--such as Rich, Richie, Rick, and Ricket. Rhyming nicknames were also fairly common in the 12th and 13th centuries, and so we also have Hitch from Rich, Hick and Dick from Rick, and Hicket from Ricket. Some of these later became surnames or parts of surnames. We note that while Dick endures as a nickname, "Hick" has thankfully become obsolete, except when tied to "Dick" in rhymes such as "Hickory, Dickory, Dock."
In the 13th and 14th centuries, "Hick" evolved, however improbably, into "Hudde," from which derives surnames such as "Hudson." W. Bardsley's masterful work, Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames (1901) cites a Latin manuscript that mentions "Ricardus dictus Hudde de Walkden."
Back at the ranch, Dick and Hick were among the earliest of the rhyming nicknames, first appearing in writing around 1220. Other rhyming nicknames include Polly from Molly, Bob from Rob (from Robert), Bill from Will (from William); and Hodge from Roger.
The name Dick (like the name Jack) was used colloquially to mean a man or everyman. The expression "every Tom, Dick, or Harry" attests to the this as a long-established usage; Shakespeare uses "every Tom, Dick, or Francis" in Henry IV Part I.
From the usage of Dick to mean average person, other usages appeared. Many other usages. The Oxford English Dictionary cites a dick as meaning a type of hard cheese in 1847, which lead to the usage of "spotted dick" (to be dealt with in an upcoming Staff Report.) The term "dick" was also used to mean a riding whip, an apron, the mound around a ditch, and an abbreviation for "dictionary" around 1860.
Dick also meant a declaration, in which sense the OED cites someone writing in 1878 "I'd take my dying dick" to mean "I'd swear a dying declaration." The term "dick" came to mean policeman around 1908, and then detective.
And we finally get to where you started. The use of "dick" as coarse slang for penis first arises around 1890. Tracking the history of uncouth words is not easy, since such expressions were not generally written down. How "dick" came to be associated with penis is not known, although the riding whip may have pointed the way.
So there you have it.
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As George greenough is a hero of mine, I’d like to think he had something to do with it!!!
It wasn't Al Gore???
Al Gore probably considered it even though he was many miles from the sea at the time but realized that it would add to global warming so he dropped the idea...
Back on topic Greenough and Lis at least reinforced the movement.
it has gotta be Dick…simply because his name holds the secret…ya dick is always shorter than you think it is, and that is how it came about.TRUE STORY
and when you open the full vocabulary of his name…DICK BREWER…one can immediately extapilate and deduct the he was also resposible for the mass production of the shortboard.
On the opposing team we see a man with a first name of Bob ( a name derived from an ancient question…what do you call a man in the water with no arms or legs?? )
Supporting that theory is the surname , McTavish. Scottish if ever I heard a hagis, and they just Hate to get wet, thus stayed high and dry on very stable and flotatcious ( gotta love that word, even if it aint one) long boards.
In some circles i have been lambasted as a newt, with absolutely no idea what i profess on this most vital and culturally significant subject. call me what you will, the truth could not be more compelling than what lies behind name and title.
There will be no further discussion on this subject Harry should be ashamed of himself for wasting all swayers time in forcing them to answer a question with such an obvious answer…moderators…calling all moderators
Rock of knowledge
Sad, that so many are unaware of the history.
The earliest short board in modern times was invented by Rick Griffin, in collaboration with his test-rider/co-designer, Murphy. I thought everyone knew that
Evidence from 1962:
While Simmons had gone short before it was cool, it his designs were more of an anamoly and hadn’t created the seed that would generate the shortboard evolution. Greenough did that. Nat and McTavish saw what he was doing on those gorgeous aussie points and wanted to do that. Then came Magic Sam, with the new fin.
While we are all dicking around here, talking about McTavish and Brewer, this is a case of one following the other. Sure were jet fighters before the f-86 saber, but it was a marked advance over those before. McTavish’s vees were departure from the old logs and were some of the first widely used shorter boards, they represented a drastic shift in what the board was being designed to do, but making it work well had yet to be figured out. Brewer greatly refined the shortboard. They went from incredibly unwieldy to manageable.
I reckon it evolved more than anything. It would have happened anyway.
Those guys were on the money, but I don't think anyone particularly invented anything.
One thing is certain. It was not a guy from NZ who favors orange wetsuits and white helmets.
its a tough deal , they bring in every one to shake you up, the justice department wanted to to know about the body, Henry decided to co operate. sorry, Im acting like a secretary, close enough. I want the truth, never forget , when you open an account with the mafia, never again, ok of course it wouldn't be bob or dick, how about who invented the pointy nose? Some long lost american hero, I'd reckon. really kind regards H.
Muzza, you are closer to the truth than any one will ever admit. Knee boards could only be ridden in a shorter form than atraditional long board. A guy from DY in Australia called Peter Crwford had an uncanny ability to rip on a knee board both kneling and standing, but few ever saw him stand or more importantly what arcs he created when he did stand and ripped into a cutback.
Of course george was the first to do things on his spoon kneeboard that blew the minds of all those surfers of the day. George knows but will prolly never say or tell, it is not his nature.
Bob Dick and all the rest may lay claim but if we wish to talk true revolution in length related to arcs carved and performance achieve i say you have got it spot on and george broke the iceand influenced the influencers.
Rocky
Probably some polinesian guy a thousand years ago.
it's a shotgun call.
peter crawford was definately at the forefront.
as far as a more modern shorty goes with a streamlined body,turned down rails and narrow nose,i'd have to give it to the dickie brothers from up santa barbara way.
before that i'd say ricky g.............. or most likely where brewer and others gained a step up on it was due to george downing's designs including the first real shortboard fin(s) designs.
herb
hawaiians were riding mid 6' alaias standup before anybody...
recent history, my money is on Val Ching and his peers...
i mean seriously, mid 4' boards??? that makes a 7 footer look huge and is shorter than anything i see being ridden standup in the water today
well the shorterboard was happening without the help of those mentioned
and as allways veiws are being exspressed by people that have read geeeeeed’’ up acounts by a bunch of media tarts
QUICK WHERS THE CAMERA
**to break this down to two people means ya just wernt around at the time or to young? or to worried about what to do with ya dick **
**i am generalising harry not aiming it at you.
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**cabells rocket was all over that ugly v thing from all acounts. **
** besides platt was the shaper from that crew (by a country mile)
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why is it’’ this subject keeps coming up and gets based on a well played tune with doubfull overtones?
** cheers huie**
it was george who influenced bob, common knowledge, timeline, what was dick doing? I can absolutely confirm, out of the mexicans mouth yesterday at the pass, george is way over sups, according to the mex, david sumpter, george thinks they should have to be registered because they are boats, fuck I can't believe stickman has fallen in with the greenough matt team, a new heavy gang forming at wategoes, they lay down and go very fast, well they do, fuck off, best is the the following, byron bay has a habit of cults and I know , one chased me out of town when I was just a kid, you know what, I came back and absolutely gave bob three shaping lessons , true John Harris.
CRAWFORD was how you spelt Peters name, and that is a different thread, who was tthe best kneeboarder, I will have a shot , to ask George, Petes dead I did a eulogy. Both George and Bob are ripping, whilst collecting new cult members, can you guys in the northern hemisphere please give an update on Dick, H.