Spiral Vee

Bob Mctavish interview While vee itself is a design feature, the “vee-bottom board” refers to a design McTavish came up with in 1967: a wide-backed, thick-tailed “plastic machine” that opened up the late-'60s shortboard revolution. “Spiral vee,” popular in the '70s, is a slightly cone-shaped version of vee, with the point built into the area just below the surfer’s back foot.  Bob created this term to describe his bottom .

Richard Brewer interview 1 - 2 years later What shapers have been influential on you? Bob McTavish showed me how to make a spiral vee. I’ve used it ever since. Read more at http://www.surfermag.com/blogs/eos/dick-brewer-last-shaping-guru/#GGqKdCTcgsF6ZViH.99

Hi Greg. I clicked on the link.,And watched the flick…I know you are good with photos.  I know you know how to post a photo…So post some photos of this “Spiral Vee” thing…I have asked about spiral vee in the past  and got photos of Bonzers… Do your boards use Spiral Vee?   Do you have any photos ?

Ray

Hi,

I’m still beginning so I’m not always sure to understang all the differencies and definitions but I found that the greenlight page abount bottom countours give interesting definitions:

http://hosted.verticalresponse.com/235086/24823b9b52/441001097/e301df06d4/

So this is how I understand those “Vees” (the red line representing a straight line between the stringer and the rail bottom.

Is that right ?

 

Z.

 

 

There is an Interview with Bob where he describes his Vee bottom  using his term a Spiral Vee .

Wide arc - slight roll in the bottom "  -Spiralling down to a small arc - the peak of the Vee creating the Vee panels in the tail .

The site your looking at is inccorect on many things .

I think it’s been discussed on here before that Midget invented the vee before McTavish…

I wasn’t alive at the time however…

 

Spiral Vee is the subject.

Midget was very good .

The use of this term came from Bob and has been used for many other bottoms since .

Do you mean keeping the same “height” of the Vee (relative to the rail line in side view) and varying the angle of the Vee as it transitions toward the tail and the outline of the board narrows?

As opposed to varying the “height” and keeping the same angle.

The early Brewer and Hynson downrail boards were like you describe .

The first article was inaccurate in that this bottom lasted only til around 1972 when tri planes were built into this convex bottom instead of roll with concave sections added later .

Fun times .  :-)

Hi Greg. You post awesome photos of your surfboards all the time. Please post a photo of this Spiral Vee…I’m not interested in some diagram from a beginer. I want photos from an expert so I can cross mutate your design and plug it into a half finished undereducated machine shape… Just kidding. I’ve been fixing boards for 15 years… I think I know what it is…You’re not the first person to not post a photo of Spiral Vee.

I invented nothing…Ray

I think Midget was bit more than just “very good” Greg , both as a surfer and an innovative surfboard designer and shaper .

Im riding a spiral vee in my hp shorty and never will I ride something different in a short board. I don’t have to pump it for speed at all. It just glides from section to section flat chat and I ride it off my ankles sorta and when I want to give it some and put her heavily on the rail I can. Im a full on believer in them.

Clinkers in steps up though…:slight_smile:

Im riding a spiral vee in my hp shorty and never will I ride something different in a short board. I don’t have to pump it for speed at all. It just glides from section to section flat chat and I ride it off my ankles sorta and when I want to give it some and put her heavily on the rail I can. Im a full on believer in them.

Clinkers in steps up though…:slight_smile:

Hi,

Can we have to joy to actually see some photos of that famous spiral ?

Cause it seems that what I read about was wrong so I would like to get the “good” version of it.

Z.

 

P.S: the last “spiral Vee” thread from 2y ago:

http://www.swaylocks.com/forums/spiral-vee-please-can-some-one-explain-idiot-guide

Same pb : finding more photos. But, the posted photos looked very close to what I drew. So i’m even more confused now…

Pictures please. Words are failing. 

All the best

“Truth should never get in the way of a good story”? Better still… “People love a mischief”!

 

 i am quoting another   but it should be said   non the less

cheers huie

This explanation/description by Mr. T is simple, clear and direct.

What has been described by several here at Sways matches.

What I wrote on that old thread :

 

Spiral Vee was a term created and used by Bob Mctavish describing his Vee bottoms . The transition from a wide roll in the bottom to the narrow center of the Vee , like a Spiral , wide curve spiralling to a narrow curve . No concaves Brewer adapted a version this to his early downrail shapes . The term was used later by those in the spotlight for double concaves in the tail . And this has stuck till today . 1969 - 1971 all Channin Diff boards had double barrel concaves in the tail . I borrowed Brian Livingston’s Brewer inter island which had a spiral Vee and Gary Cook’s Diff which had the concaves in the tail for a day for back to back testing :slight_smile: Pretty sure that was in 1969 Great times - See more at: http://www.swaylocks.com/forums/spiral-vee-please-can-some-one-explain-idiot-guide?page=1#sthash.OwwXrslH.dpuf

huie 

Hows this “story” going for you ?   :slight_smile:

I was taught that a Spiral Vee was a standard flat panel Vee with the center of the Vee taller than the rails, with a double concave coming off the tail.

The double concave radius tightening as it flows off the tail.

Deep double concave.

So much that it actually distorts the rail line as it flows off the tail.

Looks like the rail rocker in the tail has a dip in it.

It that incorrect?

 

Seems like the term has morphed into meaning different things to different people over the course of time.

If we use McTavish’s description of the design that he termed as “Spiral Vee” (slightly cone-shaped version of vee, with the point built into the area just below the surfer’s back foot), can anyone expand and explain this a little more to make it easier to visualise and understand? I have my own idea on what this might mean (as I posted above), but would love to be corrected if I am mistaken.