I love the feel of carving long turns with thin, light displacement hulls. Full nose, roundtail flexies with low rocker. Neutral egg rails. Up to now all my fav flavs have been between 7’ and 8’, mostly singles or sometimes 2 + 1. Now Im really stoked to try shaping another, except I want my next to be a full-on stubbie (5-6" to 6-6") ala late 60s ala Ted Spencer, etc. Greenough inspired. Maybe with some subtle 2003 improvements(?) from the pros here in Swaylocks. Question: anyone have personal experience shaping and/or riding sub-7’ stubbie hulls? Aren`t they just wider, scaled down versions of longer hulls? Thanks in advance!
I love the feel of carving long turns with thin, light displacement hulls. > Full nose, roundtail flexies with low rocker. Neutral egg rails. Up to now > all my fav flavs have been between 7’ and 8’, mostly singles or sometimes > 2 + 1. Now I
m really stoked to try shaping another, except I want my next > to be a full-on stubbie (5-6" to 6-6") ala late 60s ala Ted > Spencer, etc. Greenough inspired. Maybe with some subtle 2003 > improvements(?) from the pros here in Swaylocks.>>> Question: anyone have personal experience shaping and/or riding sub-7’ > stubbie hulls? Aren`t they just wider, scaled down versions of longer > hulls?>>> Thanks in advance! You have to make the sub 7’ hulls narrower so the outlines can be straighter without making the tails too wide. Keep the tail no wider than 15" a foot up, no matter what. That leaves the center 20" - 21.5" wide.
You have to make the sub 7’ hulls narrower so the outlines can be > straighter without making the tails too wide. Keep the tail no wider than > 15" a foot up, no matter what. That leaves the center 20" - > 21.5" wide. How do they ride/function compared to 7’ or 8’ hulls? I
ve always heard the short stubs were unstable. Isnt it difficult to shape much range into them?
You have to make the sub 7’ hulls narrower so the outlines can be > straighter without making the tails too wide. Keep the tail no wider than > 15" a foot up, no matter what. That leaves the center 20" - > 21.5" wide. What are some of the main design differences between late 60`s stubbies and current ones? Remember the surfing in Crystal Voyager? Aesthetically unforgettable.
How do they ride/function compared to 7’ or 8’ hulls? I
ve always heard > the short stubs were unstable. Isnt it difficult to shape much range into > them? The super small stubbies are more fin dependant. Not for holding in, but for drive. They need really good surf to get the hull and fin to start working together. That’s why they died out. They don’t trim out comfortably until they get around 7’0" long, so they are kind of one dimensional.
Aesthetically unforgettable. See: Morning of the Earth http://bonza.rmit.edu.au/essays/1999/tim_fisher/The_Surfers.html
What are some of the main design differences between late 60`s stubbies > and current ones? Remember the surfing in Crystal Voyager? Aesthetically > unforgettable. The current ones are longer! The surfing in Crystal Voyager is hard to replicate, because Richie West was such a great surfer. He was singularly talented at riding small hulls. No one even came close.
The super small stubbies are more fin dependant. Not for holding in, but > for drive. They need really good surf to get the hull and fin to start > working together. That’s why they died out.>>> They don’t trim out comfortably until they get around 7’0" long, so > they are kind of one dimensional. The super small stubbies- are you saying they had to be ridden more from the tail, instead of from the mid-point? Seems like most of the hull guys I`ve seen are always standing in the middle of their boards.
The current ones are longer!>>> The surfing in Crystal Voyager is hard to replicate, because Richie West > was such a great surfer. He was singularly talented at riding small hulls. > No one even came close. Whatever became of Richie West? Better than Nat on the super short hulls? Did Richie eventually move on to another type of surfboard design?
Aesthetically unforgettable.>>> See: Morning of the Earth>>> http://bonza.rmit.edu.au/essays/1999/tim_fisher/The_Surfers.html Also see: http://liddlesurfboards.com.hosting.domaindirect.com/origins.html
Also see:>>> http://liddlesurfboards.com.hosting.domaindirect.com/origins.html Paul, what type of foam and specs would you recommend for a stringerless 7’ hull? Glassing schedule? Thanks-
The super small stubbies- are you saying they had to be ridden more from > the tail, instead of from the mid-point? Yes. That’s not a crime, but it does remove some of the appeal of hull surfing.
Whatever became of Richie West? Better than Nat on the super short hulls? > Did Richie eventually move on to another type of surfboard design? He move to Australia in the 70’s worked for Bob Cooper for years. Beyond that, I don’t know. What I meant by “singularly talented” is that he was perfectly suited to ride those boards at that time. And, in a way, I thought he was better than Nat Young in terms of riding sub 6’ hulls. Nat was so much taller, and the small stubbies just disappeared under him. Richie could ride a 5’10" and it would look like is was a foot longer, in terms of drive and smooth, down the line projection. He never wiggled it around or jammed turns to change direction.
Paul, what type of foam and specs would you recommend for a stringerless > 7’ hull? Glassing schedule? Thanks- Standard Walker foam is untouchable for displacement hulls…especially with no stringer. I would go single 6 oz volan on the bottom, 6 volan on the top with a 2/3 deck poatch. Sanded finish. Glass over the fin box for durabililty, but also to dampen the stiff spot where the front of the box ends. Srtingerless boards break there a lot.
Standard Walker foam is untouchable for displacement hulls…especially > with no stringer. I would go single 6 oz volan on the bottom, 6 volan on > the top with a 2/3 deck poatch. Sanded finish. Glass over the fin box for > durabililty, but also to dampen the stiff spot where the front of the box > ends. Srtingerless boards break there a lot. Do you think that stubbies/hulls still have a valid place in today`s lineup, or has that design been surpassed by something else? What do you like to ride?
Do you think that stubbies/hulls still have a valid place in today`s > lineup, or has that design been surpassed by something else? What do you > like to ride? Back in the late 60’s, I asked an older surfer if he thought my 6 month old board was out of date. His reply was, “Hey man, the ocean doesn’t change.” So, I guess the answer depends on how sensitive you are to what’s going on around you, design-wise. What works, works. “Ride what you like” is probably the best mantra to live by, as eveyone else in this room will attest. I have been riding hulls since 1968. The lengths have gotten longer, mainly so I can ride lesser spots with ease. Hulls work up Frye’s 13 footers! I like 9 - 10’ these days. If I had uncrowded waves at hand, I would probably be around 7’ to 7’8" most of the time. But, the compromise of riding longer boards is a realistic and worthwhile tradeoff. Nothing feels like as good as a hull to me. That’s just my experience and opinion.
Back in the late 60’s, I asked an older surfer if he thought my 6 month > old board was out of date. His reply was, “Hey man, the ocean doesn’t > change.” So, I guess the answer depends on how sensitive you are to > what’s going on around you, design-wise. What works, works. “Ride > what you like” is probably the best mantra to live by, as eveyone > else in this room will attest.>>> I have been riding hulls since 1968. The lengths have gotten longer, > mainly so I can ride lesser spots with ease. Hulls work up Frye’s 13 > footers! I like 9 - 10’ these days. If I had uncrowded waves at hand, I > would probably be around 7’ to 7’8" most of the time. But, the > compromise of riding longer boards is a realistic and worthwhile tradeoff. > Nothing feels like as good as a hull to me. That’s just my experience and > opinion. i only can agree with paul. hulls move deeper in the water than flat bottomed surfcraft, tap therefore deeper at the waves energy and therefore just feel incredible - so much closer to the water!