actually this is a useless argument
take a quad fish
I agree with Paul 100% here(no surprise)
I have really started doing shapes that are wider and generally a bit shorter than usual.
One of our test boards I did in that way, and now I surf it on a pretty regular basis. 5’10"x20"x2.25"
My regular board is a 6’3"! I have never been able to ride anything that short.
Here it is next to one of my more traditional shapes at 6’2.5"
So far it works well in knee high slop to head high peelers.
I haven’t gotten it into any barrels so I can’t say anything about that…and I won’t be making any outlandish claims about how well it would perform at Pipe! LMAO
IMHO outline plays a big role in that as well.
Check out how close to the tail the hip is. It was an experiment that just happened to turn out OK.
I actually shaped this one without a plan.
I wanted to do something a little different but was just blanking out on a design, so one day I just fired up the planer and started mowing.
Fortunately I got lucky and it worked out.
OOPS!
I didn’t notice the exchange here and the difference of opinion.
I agree with Paul in the addition of width for volume, however…
surfding has been a tremendous source of info for me and I would never even begin to disagree with anything he says! HAHA!!!
And since he builds boards where I am…personally I would defer to him.
In other words…ignore everything I say! I know NOTHING! LOL!
surfding rides 20 wide and is experienced barrel rider
why would he give a larger guy whos never ridden heavy waves before going to crowded place a smaller board then he himself rides
i cant figure it out
Paul I’m old but in good health. Wouter claims to be young and very althetic and I was going by his claims?
You may know him better than I do? Yes I prefere a wider board myself now as it keeps me in the game.
However all the young guys that I make boards for all want narrower boards and less volume. I guess I was
putting Wouter in the same group as I’m used to? Considering his skill level maybe I need to re-think my recommendations?
6’7" x 20" x 2 1/2" Center Point netural (I usually move it back for more advanced surfers) Thumbtail
12 nose, 14 1/8" Tail. Wouter will catch waves.
It’s so hard to really make a board for anyone with out knowing how they surf and meeting them face to face.
I’ll erase my recomenations as they are incorrect based on the information you have provided.
I say you should make a board for Wouter and send it to Indo so when he arrives it will be there?
Have a Happy New Year and all the best to my Aussie and Kiwi mates!
Nice boards Todd.
SD
Hi Todd:
Your boards look like a lot of fun!
keep the stoke.
SD
It just looks like a difference of approach to me bud.
And since I like and respect both of you guys…I AM OUTTA THIS ONE! LOL
My opinion means absolutely nothing in the presence of guys like you two.
So…I must humbly and quietly, bow out of the thread.
Mahalo
Todd don’t go!
I agree with both Lennox and Paul on this one! Back up and look at what I edited on my recommendations.
This post is actually a lot of fun. Paul pointed out a few details that I needed to consider.
Sometimes we don’t agree but I think that it’s more misunderstandings than anything else?
I gave a Shape 3D file so open it up and tell me what you think.
2009 is going to be a new year! So let’s all just get along and have some fun building the best boards we can.
Great Surf Spot!
Is that were you live?
How far are you from Ragland?
Lennox seem to be core! I think he has good advice for sure>
Ha! Hey bud!
I love to watch a bunch of pro’s going at it with a difference of opinion!
I always learn a TON!
I just felt that I stepped in world of sh!t when I noticed the exchange, and that I might have ANYTHING to say in the midst of a conversation between the likes of you guys is laughable to say the least.
I saw the S3D file. MAN! that is one hell of a tail rocker! You’re gonna have to explain that one to me the next time we talk.
I don’t quite understand starting the arc so far forward. Of course that probably has a lot to do with the fact that I haven’t
needed to design a board for that kind of wave.
I would like to know the mechanics of it so I can have a better understanding.
Love the outline and the concave. It’s very much my style.
Mahalo
peace brothers
surfding im on the eastcoast i have acces to mahia and rivermouths and some walk only access reefbreaks
lots of flat days but many good solid offshore days as well
the only reason i got passionate is because i took a smaller board out on an epic day and instead of getting 5 or 6 decent barrels
i ended up on scraps
fck scraps
once you blow a few drops your confidence goes
and your not so pushy in the rotation
then its all over
i coulda had a 7 4 out there and got barreled off my head and owned the peak
Right on Paul
I have a question that is a little off topic.
How can I get a deep color on EPS like that blue one you posted, without having it peel off when I pull tape?
I loved that combo and how rich the color was. I’ve been having trouble with that.
Mahalo and HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL MY SWAYLOCKIAN BROTHERS!!!
hey todd, that board is lennox steves board its a jim banks poly
i took the outline and rocker made the other one i posted
i rekon at least 2 1/4 in the tail
i dont really play with eps anymore except as core for compsands
cdd has the eps core as well
for me id rather use poly for cheap or pretty boards
and compsand for durable and light boards
eps doesnt really do anything well for my personal needs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlszW038X14
The Whiplash from Lost has the rocker that most shortboards on tour have.
Chili, Patterson, Lost, JS, JC, Channel Island, Bill Johnson, Cole, Hamish, Boisen, Cino, Rawson, X, Arakawa, DOC, Rusty, Stretch, Cordell, Byrne, Anderson and on and on.
They all seem to have a model that is rockered out for INDO.
Nothing is new under the sun!
Surf some good waves and you will see what I mean.
It also depends how vertical you like to surf?
When you surf the pocket of the wave you want more curve.
If your surfing the shoulders then a flatter board is all you need.
If you watched the training videos a simular rocker is what Shaun’s board has. See the way it fits the wave?
The surfing was in INDO. Come by the shop when I’m there and I show you the different rockers for different types of boards?
I can give you one of Shauns boards to ride and take it to Lowers or Hollow Newport and see what I’m talking about?
Don’t get me wrong there is alway’s a place for flatter rockers. This topic was about INDO!
Hey ding
I know that steeper waves require more rocker…but I haven’t seen one in an actual design format
I’m interested in the mechanics of why the apex is pushed so far forward.
I guess I was just picturing it different in my head so I’m trying to get an understanding of how it works.
And you always seem to have the technical explanation that I need for me to understand.
Ride one of Shaun’s boards? Hmmmmmm…let me think about it…OF COURSE!
I think I might be a bit too big for Shaun’s boards though.
I’ll call you this week and see if when I can get down to you.
Mahalo
hey surfding that outline looks good
its weird how shape3d show the rocker tho
That board is from a scan of one of my hand shapes.
When a board is scanned the measurement of the rocker is taken while the boards nose and tail are in a even horizonal position.
Many shapers are trown off my this. If you know the actual rocker of the board, say the tail rocker you can rock the board until the tail reads the real life value.
Then the nose will follow. I want Thomas to put a toggle button so that you can switch between CNC Logic and Shapers Value. I don’t have a problem with it however many shapers do. I struggle with trying to explain it to people all the time. Tomorrow at the shop I will take a photograph of the same board lying on the floor then it will look more natural to you I’m sure. My shortboards tend have more curve in the rocker line. When you see the board on it’s belly you’ll see that the curve line in the rocker is more settle that what you see in the program however it is continous. On that program I moved the center apex forward to netural for Wouter whereas my son has it 1" back from center. We have been working on his model since 2003 or 6 years now. He’s super pickey and hard to please but I learn a lot from him on what provides the maxium performance for his type of surfing! When I shape his model I use rail jigs and verify that everything is set as he wants it. The tail rocker is lowered for mushy waves like Brazil. Tail rocker lifted back up for pockets. The key is to fit in the face of the wave. Gold Coast, North Shore, South Africa more rocker curve at the good spots. Guy’s that surf the shoulder wouldn’t need all that detail to their boards. That why it’s so important to know the surfers skill and fittness level. As shapers we are Tailors so to speak customizing boards to fit the size and ability of the surfer! Shaping itself is the easy part matching the right board for the surfer in the given conditions he plans to surf in is the challenge!
It helps when the surf is truthful as to their skill and fitness level?
AH! It makes much more sense now.
I think that is what had me confused.
Mahalo
Paul
you can actually rock the board
i downloaded the lite version off off their shape3d site, and there is half a circle button.
use that to rock the board over its rocker till you get to see what you are used to.
SurfDing:
My board has only 2.25 rocker, so i will hand shape that up/down to 2.5 tail rocker.
Thanks so far for all the advice.
Wouter