So … what did the kid do?
I’m pretty sure the cops that beat Rodney King thought they had good reason to repeteadly beat the snot out of that guy… what was it they said?, “We told him to stay down and he kept getting up… so we hit him again… and again… and again” Maybe Sunny needs to hire the lawyers who defended those pieces of shit from Simi Valley.
I’ll tell you what, I don’t need to hear what happened in the water that day or out of the water later that day to know that Sunny Garcia is a thug. I’ve seen enough of them in my 48 years to know how to identify them. They beat on smaller dudes and then make up excuses for why it was justified, never taking responsibility for there actions and never apologizing. He deserves everything that’s coming to him.
yeah, those atheist gang members are the WORST!
(wtf?)
there are three sides to every story - yours - theirs and the truth
I heard ,,,,, The kid kicked sand on him
Greg,
In the absence of anyone posting better or different accounts, i am led to believe,
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The kid ( he is only called that because he is slight and I am told is under 20) is not a Burliegh local or is not part of the local crew (and terms like punk etc have been used to describe him, some have used more derogatory descriptions of him which I am not prepared to echo) but a blow in who has been causing trouble in the water for some time, dropping in, no respect etc
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There was a gap in the contest between the qtrs and semis and about 15 surfers took the opportunity to enjoy some uncrowded Burliegh waves. They included, the Kid Sunny’s 18 year old son, ASP and Pipe masters Champ Jeremy Flores, a well respected surfer and local who is very senior at Billabong and others.
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The Billabong man took some waves and the kid burnt him, Sunny’s son takes a wave is riding down the point, the kid blantantly drops in and as Sunny’s son tries to bottom turn around thim and overtake the kid grab Sunny’s son and pushes or pulls him down. They get trashed and come up boards tangled words are exchanged and the kid starts laying into Sunny’s kid.
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Jeremy Flores sees the scuffle and paddles over to break it up and the kid now spears his board at Flores hitting him in the head. Now Flores is no shrinking violet, he is a highly skilled martial artist with some heavy street cred. Did he throw a punch?? I don’t have any information on that but he is involved and ASP are considering his position on tour.
5 Meanwhile Sunny has been acting the real gentleman for his time at the event, signing autographs and even pushing peoples kids on the swing set in the park. He is in the official area and is proudly watching his Son surfing and see what happened.
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The kid and Flores ( I do not know about sunny’s son) wash into the beach and Sunny is there to “greet” them. At this point i only know that Sunny got him in a headlock and for whtever reason whacked the kid.
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security broke it up and sunny headed for the showers in the park. Sunny is showering with a big crowd around. Someone at this point (some say it was the kid again) taunted sunny, yelling out or saying a nasty or demeaning comment aimed at Sunny and then ran.
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Sunny takes chase and in the process runs into the cameraman or gets involved with him so as the cameraman get injured. sunny chases the kid up the road but can’t catch him a so returns to the beach.
At this point my story goes cold other than to say the police arrive and interview people and are possibly laying charges which are being pressed…not by the kid…but by the camera man?? Sunny was heard to comment “no body F45ks with my family”
Thats all i got and it is not told taking sides or condoning what occurred…just the fact , mam, just the facts!
Amongst the locals at Burliegh, reports are they quitley back Sunny, because if it wasn’t him it would have been one of them who taught the kid a lesson. he was putting people in danger using his board as a weapon and violence and aggression as his tools of trade in the surf.
The thick plottens
Inspector Rocky ( yep i got me a promotion for excellent undercover work)
the camera guy had it coming. heard he was an atheist.
Now we have a story.
Let me run a little with it until a better one comes along:
So, life being life, and the “rude kid” still being alive (as in “Sunny did not kill him or break his bones”- that I know of so far), sounds to me like Sunny gave this young man a free educational experience which he can’t buy. Also, if the kid is not seriously hurt, the teacher was indeed gentle and graceful in lessoning this pupil.
As far as violence, what can I say… I am a human being and I have the blessing of living in a time in this planet where we humans have a certain amount of civilization and spiritual advancement where we can go without violence in many ocassions where it would only “feel” natural to apply violence.
Nevertheless, among my teeth I have four of them designed to tear into the flesh of another animal (the 2 upper and 2 lower “canines”). Probably so do most of you.
Only way I could pass judgement on Garcia, Sr. in this situation is not even having been there to see the whole thing, but actually being inside the flesh of Sunny Garcia at the moment. No sexual connotation intended.
That said, I’m aware that I will die one day. In the meantime, will I choose to grow and help others grow every day?
Thanks for reading my comment.
castrillo
My fellow puertorican atheist gang members and I are with Sunny. The Burleigh locals should make sure the punk kid who started this doesn't surf there anymore if it's true he is a trouble maker. Sunny probably acted the best way he knew to deal with the situation, a father will always look out for his kids, although given his size and strength he could as well grabbed the punk kid by one ear and deliver him to the nearest lifeguard so that local authorities could take care of him instead of beating him up. Anyway I wasn't there and who am I to judge. Sunny Garcia is still one of my favorite power surfers and Flores is the man at Pipe.
Anyway, speaking of violence, read this article about what happened to a guy who was eating pop corn too loudly:
what he should have done,, was to have some restraint and get the kid later
but thats hindsight,,,
after hearing the story (if its true) I believe that I would have lost my cool and done the same thing.
theres two ways of dealing with things,,, the right way and the wrong way..........
it all depends how you want to look at it.
maybe Sonny's a thug (I dont know as Ive never met him),,,
but he's also a father and primal instincts will take control family and friends are at risk
and ,,well ,,, if someone needs to be taught a lesson, then who better to teach it,,,,
call him a "proactive parent"
2cnts
The only time I ever liked Sunny was when he was 18 and ripping in the Vid “surf into summer” (I think that’s what it was called). Ever since then he has shown, year after year, that he doesn’t deserve the life he has had… He’s an angry ungrateful human that thinks the world owes him something… He’s a Pro surfer for F#$K sake! from Hawaii too !..? Smile-your living the dream-and on camera!..A Hero idol too…my 2 cents worth …I wouldn’t want to meet him, that’s for sure!
he is who he is!..
…“He could be a great Dad and a nice guy that can’t handle the Stresses of Fame, I don’t know. As I said, I don’t know him, just what the media portrayals”
Things look like he has personal problems.
good luck Sunny in finding some peace.
Howzit rocklobster, I couldn't watch the video because I forgot my pass word that you had to lock on to watch the video. But somehow's I got sent to a site with the news paper story and they tell about the guy hassling Sunny's kid and one of the worst things you can do to make a Hawaiian mad is mess with one of their kids and that goes for Hawaiian Moms also. When Sunny was married to his last wife who was Cabell's daughter, she was the hot head in the family and they had the police come to their house a few times because of her out bursts and one time her own mom called them on her. She pulled a stunt one Xmas Eve and threw the tree thrugh the front window and that was one time her Mom called the police and told them it was her and not Sunny. He was always a nice guy when I talked to him. ALoha,Kokua
I’m an atheist and I’ve never behaved like Sunny Garcia!
Surfiber,
Thanks for posting that link as it goes to show that the real facts need to be understood before rushing to condem anyone.
This is an important social issue that needs airing and dicussion because in the end we as surfers have to create and abide by our own set of rules of behavior simply because of what we do, where we do it and that we don’t want to become so policed that our freedom is lost
Rocky
howdy rocky, par for the course i guess.
btw if that happened in the philippines, the guy who manhandled the kid wouldn’t get beaten up by the dad himself— who was a hundred yards away when it happened— but by nearby witnesses themselves. people over here tend to be circumspect in public, knowing how things can quickly get out of hand when you factor in the ‘madness-of-crowds’ mob aspect. human behavior is often not very predictable, even if we keep telling ourselves that it is.
cheers,
ha’’ my pet parrot can fly to burliegh cove and back in less than 15 min
he tells me. a lot of you hypocrites should have a bex before you slag on about shit you know nothing about
who is this adam fella? whats a local these days haaaaaaa’‘’’
cheers huie
Huie,
Sounds like you either know somethingusefull to the thread or you are trying to toy with what happened.
If you have something to say about the ‘kid’ being really a local or not at all a local …spit it out
I agree using the term local has no real meaning nor does in justify actions or bestow rights on anyone.
The context that I used the word ‘local’ stemmed from the feedback that the kid is not someone who is readily accepted as a inetgral member of a well established order that, like it or not, every break has and prolly at a hard core place like Burliegh, the ‘local’ tag is hard earnt and much protected.
Nobody wanted, asked for or needed to be involved in what went down. But in our culture, what went down has gone down since the Duke’s days in some form or another. The fact that 'wave justice (as seenby some) was dished out, only got blown out of all context was because of where it happened and when it happened.
You obviously live locally and my guess is that is a the Bin. You surf various craft including longer boards and maybe even a SUP. if you surf the Bin, you know it certainly aint BH and is pretty laid back. The kid prolly never surfs the Bin but if he did and acted in a way he was purported to have acted, the Bin gents would have found their own way of teaching him that his behaviour was unwelcome and unnacceptable.
From a couple of the Bin gents I know of, the kid should be thankfull it was Jeremy and Sunny he offended and not one of them because they may be still looking for his body. The kid has had his 15 minutes of fame at Sunny’s and Jeremy’s expense.
The kid started it, the kid has form, the kid is not cool, the kid got a lesson, the kid is not pressing charges, the kid has caused a lot of damage, the kid got damaged (not too bad on all accounts),the kid has run away, the kid has hopefully learnt a lesson that we as a culture, have our good and bad as does any culture, and some times shit happens and it needs to sorted out to maintain an equilibrium for the majority.
Give respect …get respect… i think that applies across our surfing culture globally…pretty solid law that one…better than what most cops and courts abide by.
Rocky
Huie,
Sounds like you either know somethingusefull to the thread or you are trying to toy with what happened.
If you have something to say about the ‘kid’ being really a local or not at all a local …spit it out
I agree using the term local has no real meaning nor does in justify actions or bestow rights on anyone.
The context that I used the word ‘local’ stemmed from the feedback that the kid is not someone who is readily accepted as a inetgral member of a well established order that, like it or not, every break has and prolly at a hard core place like Burliegh, the ‘local’ tag is hard earnt and much protected.
Nobody wanted, asked for or needed to be involved in what went down. But in our culture, what went down has gone down since the Duke’s days in some form or another. The fact that 'wave justice (as seenby some) was dished out, only got blown out of all context was because of where it happened and when it happened.
You obviously live locally and my guess is that is a the Bin. You surf various craft including longer boards and maybe even a SUP. if you surf the Bin, you know it certainly aint BH and is pretty laid back. The kid prolly never surfs the Bin but if he did and acted in a way he was purported to have acted, the Bin gents would have found their own way of teaching him that his behaviour was unwelcome and unnacceptable.
From a couple of the Bin gents I know of, the kid should be thankfull it was Jeremy and Sunny he offended and not one of them because they may be still looking for his body. The kid has had his 15 minutes of fame at Sunny’s and Jeremy’s expense.
The kid started it, the kid has form, the kid is not cool, the kid got a lesson, the kid is not pressing charges, the kid has caused a lot of damage, the kid got damaged (not too bad on all accounts),the kid has run away, the kid has hopefully learnt a lesson that we as a culture, have our good and bad as does any culture, and some times shit happens and it needs to sorted out to maintain an equilibrium for the majority.
Give respect …get respect… i think that applies across our surfing culture globally…pretty solid law that one…better than what most cops and courts abide by.
Rocky
I had a beef with Sunny back in the day. A lot of splashing and yelling but it didn’t come to blows. It was an argument over a set wave at my local break. I thought it was my wave and figured if it were backdoor I’d be getting stuffed so I stuffed him. It too was caught on film which I never saw but heard about for several years after. I saw Sunny in the parking lot the next day and I think we agreed to disagree or something like that. The several times I have crossed paths with him since have shown to me that he is not the bad guy some of you think he is. Sure he isn’t perfect. None of us are. The battle for waves causes many of us to do stupid things. Protecting your son is a virtue not a fault. Dunking someone is uncalled for. Sunny for sure has demons that he struggles with. But i have seen the good in Sunny and I know he tries. Growing up on the west side is tough. It makes you tough. I really don’t think we should pass judgement if we don’t know all the facts. Sunny has paid for his mistakes and will probably pay for this one as he should. As humans we all make mistakes.