Has anyone seen or knows of an outrigger add on for a SUP?
I am thinking of making an outrigger for use with my SUP so I can go fishing , paddle with cargo or another person.
If one exists then no point re inventing the wheel but I an thinking of using an old short board with some outrigger arms and connect to the SUP.
Any reviews , comments or pictures would be greatly appreciated.
Or , WEB address so I can look them up.
Thanks
Woody.
Ive had the same thought for a few years
something that can be detached for transport
see'ns I dont have an SUP ,, I havent come up with any thing
try a google search?
Thanks Ken.
I have googled my fingers off this morning but nothing comes up.
Maybe I should invent one and patent the design.
Hi Hardline, I dont have any ideas of my own to assist you ( Im not an ideas kind of guy…)
But I think its a great way to change an existing product and make it better, more useful, create a new market for people who want to do different things on a SUP.
Theres always those stick on leash plugs where you could use them to strap beams across the SUP…
MAybe consider using an actual outrigger ( ama) from an OC1 instead of a shortboard…
Consider the possibility of using a** single** cross beam (instead of 2)
that has a flat extremity that skims the surface like a fluke or pectoral fin so it doubles as a cross beam and the outrigger.
Once again, Im not an ideas kind of guy…
Check this photo of a standamaran using 8 finboxes (4 in each deck) and fiberglass clamps to attach the crossbars. It looks as if the fiberglass clamps use a pivot pin and screw plates to tighten them down - like the method used for ages to hold a fin in the box....
Thanks John. This gives me some idea’s.
I am hoping to design something that is totally removeable from a standard SUP without having to add anything to the SUP.
This looks great for the outrigger connection method. Maybe FCS plugs and a moulded connection bracket for the actual outrigger connection.
I have some idea’s from some people for a clamping method which should leave the oringal SUP in tact wtihout any penetations.
I dont want to have any holes into an epoxy SUP. They always end up leaking or cause stress fractures.
The brain is ticking on many idea’s so once I have a design I feel could be a good one I will prototype and test.
This post has already had good viewing numbers so I hope more idea’s come from those with some knowledge or one that already exists.
Stay tuned and lets see if it eventuates.
I will call it the “Hardline SUP outrigger” . look for it in shops . (I wish)
Uhmmm- just tossing out an idea-
Put a couple of Funs Unlimited boxes on centerline in both the board and the outrigger (two each), make up what’s essentially four long and rugged Fins Unlimited bases that can go into them and make them part of your outrigger legs. Said outrigger legs also have undesides that are shaped to fit the board deck and the outrigger deck pretty precisely, so that the board and outrigger won’t pivot. Maybe a little neoprene sheet on the mating surfaces to snug it down.
So you wind up with four pieces, four screws to tighten, maybe keep an electric driver handy to do it fast and easy, maybe even Torx pan head screwsrather than the standard.
I’d make a minimal sized outrigger, no more than two cubic feet. Keeps the strain down and provides plenty stability- you’d want it to just help with stability, not float like the main hull. Consider, say, the relative volumes on outrigger canoes and such.
hope that’s of use
doc…
Thanks for the input Surffoils.
I have looked on many sites at existing outrigger pontoons and beam setups and there are many to consider.
The amount of floatation needed in the outrigger is way less than a standard short board but I am hoping to come up with several types depending on personal use.
Msall pontoon for single person going for a paddle and also use a surfboard if you want to carry cargo for your paddle.
Like a fishing takle box and fishing or camping stuff.
An old 6’0" board is pretty easy and cheap to get if you dont already have one so it would be a good use of existing stuff.
The single cross beam would allow better paddle stroke and I have considered this.
I think I will have to walk before I can run so for R&D I will try the double beam.
I also dream of it having an attachement for a small sail like the hobie Kayak/outrigger models available.
The doubel beam would lend itself to more attachments.
It can have a mesh trampoline over the outriggers for some stuff as well.
All your idea’s are taken in as good food for thought so if you have more idea’s then please pass them on.
Who knows how it could all end up.
It’s abvious that this type of thing is worth having a go at building a prototype. I can see many people like the idea.
Keep them thoughts turning Huie.
“Differnece of opinion inspires further thought. Maybe even learn some things along the way.”
I didnt sleep last night due to so many idea’s
Thanks Doc.
I have been thinking along similar lines but I would like to keep the connections to non invasive if possible.
It is easy to install plugs or fin box’s in you have the ability or money. Some people may want to have this type of connection and I will investigate both types of connections.
To begin with I am hoping to use a clamp type so I dont put trial holes in my SUP.
I have to find the balance points and best loading points for the outrigger.
Once I have a design I think is a good prototype I will look at more possitive fixings and maybe molded fittings.
I have a sail shop around the corner so I am off to look at stainless steel fittings to see how I can use them for assembly methods.
I am hoping to make it break down for ease of transport and make it all fit into a bag.
The size of the outrigger will only need to be big enough for what its intended purpose is. I have several uses and thus will need to experiment with varied pontoon sizes. Thanks for your thoughts on this.
With so many ideas flowing through my head I have done sketch after sketch and each with another better idea or alternate method.
Your input is valued and if you have more thoughts please post them.
If you see anything that you think would be a good food for thought item then give me a posting.
Thanks again Doc for your posting.
Uhmm - here’s a thought for a test setup
Make slots across your outrigger legs, or maybe just a couple of holes. Then… http://www.strapworks.com/Ratchet_Straps_with_End_Hardware_s/101.htm , ratchet 'em down enough ( but not too much) so that the outrigger stays put and you get a sense of the balance of it, where things should go.
Something like that foam rubber carpet underlayment stuff might do as deck pads under the outriggers to take up where it’d need to be taken up. It’s used for bench pads when routing stuff, shouldn’t slip much unless you’re really punching through stuff.
Hope that is at least the beginning of a good idea
doc…
Cheers Doc.
I have sketched straps as the starting method for attachment. I can make shaped side clamps that will allow straps to fit and lock down onto rails and stop any rotation slip.
My only concern with straps is drag if they have to go under the board.
I have also sketched teh side clamps with a lip under the rail and a sliding fit transom over the deck that can be made to suit the width of board then lock it down via straps. This makes for full adjustment without any metal involved. Clip in connections like on a board bag strap . The non slip stuff will help with these clamps at rails.
The deck will need protection and adjustment due to differing shapes and I am thinking of some type of connection with a slight pivot point to allow varied angles.
The non slip stuff you mentioned is good stuff and would assist in securing the outrigger when combined with a clamp or strap. It should stop the water acting as a lubricant.
Thanks so much for your thoughts.
Keep them coming.
Hey, man
Uhm, couple of things I’m thinking. First off is to make this as simple and as easily tinkered with/adjustable as possible. The idea bein that right now this is completely experimental, no? So a simple setup, change as need be as you learn more about it.
Next, while simple straps will cause some drag, at the speed of an SUP ( call it in single digits KPH) I’m thinking it will be minimal, especially compared to the drag of the outrigger. And a groove in the bottom of the board would probably cause far more drag by disrupting waterflow, or any reasonably rugged clamp will do much the same. Straps lying flat on the bottom - really not much drag at all.
Your sail rig…is intriguing. What leaps to mind is a proa-type setup: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proa, a vee-shaped sail and pair of very light masts with a simple spreader bar between 'em, could be very light and fold up and stow on deck and so on. Maybe a universal joint similar to windsurfers… again, something to play with.
Keep us posted, if you would - this looks interesting.
doc…
Hey Doc.
You are right about speed and for starting method a strap is the simple way and then I can test others.
I was thinkg of a polynesian style sail which is a V shape with simple mounting. This could fold up into a transom on the outrigger.
The outrigger could even have a small mounting plate for one of those small electric motors you see on the front of boats for fishing guys. Foot operated and light weight. Battery can be set onto the outrigger.
I can see endless possibilities but I think best to get a simple one working first.
Now jus to find the time to make this a reallity.
Keep them idea’s coming.
cough bull$hit cough cough
I’ve read your threads you’ve got a bunch of interesting ideas knockin’ around up there.
=D
hardline -
I don't know where you live. I have a couple of offcuts from a recent project. If I don't have to ship them, you are welcome to them. I think they'd probably work OK as outrigger blanks. They wouldn't be worth the shipping fees if I have to pack and ship them anywhere.
A bit of flex is good between the ama and hull otherwise they will want to fight each other. A lashing possibly recycled iner tube would do the trick simpily. A lenght of downpipe with the ends capped would be easy to move back and forth and shorten until you got it down to a suitable size.
Interesting idea .
Thanks Crisp !
Because Hardlines a noob I thought Id start with a joke… but hes got a good idea, irrespective of SUP love/hate, its a good idea to create more from a standard product.
Make it easy, cheap, versatile and who knows what he could come up with.
Where are you based Hardline ???
Hey,
Exactly what I was thinking with the sail, sort of a polynesian windsurfer rig - the main advantage being that it’d be very easy to fold up and such. Also, the largest part of your sail is higher up, catching more/better wind.
The disadvantage is that yes, it is up there and the leverage would wear you down a bit have to start small as regards sail area and see what you can handle.
Uhmmm- more tradeoffs : the outrigger/ama size versus the ability to carry things. Too big an outrigger means you’re gonna go crabwise, the resistance gets slewed over to the rail of the main hull. You wind up with what’s effectively a catamaran. I’d be going with a small outrigger, maybe longer arms, there’s your stability.
Ah- this is fun, no?
doc…
Just a word of caution/reminder. Remember that you are talking about putting a lever onto the deck of your board. The forces that will act on the attachment point will be amplified greatly. The longer the outrigger the longer the fulcrum the greater the force acting to break your SUP or at least tear your attachment point.
Just a thought.
BTW the idea is really good. I see guys SUP fishing here in NE Florida all the time and they would probably love an outrigger.
T
Based in Western Australia.
I know there are plenty of SUP haters but I like to think that SUP’s can be a versatile water craft not just for stealing waves.
They also help fat bastards lose some weight as the years tick past too fast. Small day excercise while waiting for a swell to get the short board out of the bag.
So far I am impressed by the ideas that have come from this forum.
Thanks
