templating....again

Still trying to find the perfect curves…i haven’t been able to find fishing rod blanks locally, at least ones that are affordable. i read below somewhere that battens (i believe for sails?) work good also? basicalliy i’m marking my width at center, nose(12"back) and tail(12"up) and trying to curve along these points to the tip of the nose and tail. it seems with a good template its pretty hard to blow it, but with a bad curve you’re doomed…any other good tips on how to create templates? so far it’s been a little hit and miss. also wondering how to take a good template for say a 6’6" and work it up to a 7’6" or so…

Still trying to find the perfect curves…i haven’t been able to find > fishing rod blanks locally, at least ones that are affordable. i read > below somewhere that battens (i believe for sails?) work good also? > basicalliy i’m marking my width at center, nose(12"back) and > tail(12"up) and trying to curve along these points to the tip of the > nose and tail. it seems with a good template its pretty hard to blow it, > but with a bad curve you’re doomed…any other good tips on how to create > templates? so far it’s been a little hit and miss. also wondering how to > take a good template for say a 6’6" and work it up to a 7’6" or > so… It might be kind of difficult to stretch a 6’6" to a 7’6". Instead make a new templt for the 7’6". I know the dilema for templating. Have you seen JC’s Shaping 101 video? That is a good way(batton). Go to Home Depot to the molding section. get a thin peice of molding(they sell inexpensive plastic type molding). It bends really nice and keeps it’s shape.

Tappered battens for windsurfing sails work great they sell these in all lenghts at windsurfing shops, one wil last a lifetime. For experimenting with templates I used wallpaper a lot, it’s cheap and you can have a good long look on your outline before you draw it on a blank. Good Luck. Peter Rijk

i’m a CAD designer by trade so i’ve been using my software to design templates. i’ll export a file that i can take to kinko’s and have printed at actual size. then, i spray mount the drawing onto my blank and cut to the printed line. the results are quite nice. mathematically perfect and symmetrical outlines! let me know what type of board you’re designing and i’ll email you one of my templates for your reference. kirk

i’m a CAD designer by trade so i’ve been using my software to design > templates. i’ll export a file that i can take to kinko’s and have printed > at actual size. then, i spray mount the drawing onto my blank and cut to > the printed line. the results are quite nice. mathematically perfect and > symmetrical outlines! let me know what type of board you’re designing and > i’ll email you one of my templates for your reference.>>> kirk I use to be a Cad Draftsman using AutoCad. From what I remember when I use to make templates with ACAD, I would draw a stringer line, a draw a five point curve and then draw in the tail. At that point you have your half template and if you have a large scale plotter you are stoked. What file format does kinkos accept? .dwg? Also, you do draw your drawing at full scale so you don’t have to worry about the guy at kinkos understanding plot scale? Could you send me a note on how you produce your templates on CAD…if you could fill in some gaps…selecting and draging the handles around to manipulate the complex curve. Oh, I forgot to mention that you have to P-edit and Spline the five point cuve which is actually as series of lines to begin with.

i’m a CAD designer by trade so i’ve been using my software to design > templates. i’ll export a file that i can take to kinko’s and have printed > at actual size. then, i spray mount the drawing onto my blank and cut to > the printed line. the results are quite nice. mathematically perfect and > symmetrical outlines! let me know what type of board you’re designing and > i’ll email you one of my templates for your reference.>>> kirk Kirk I’m doing a 7’4" semi gun…19" at center, 11" nose, 13" pintail… from a Rawson 7’5" blank…i’d love to check out you’re designs. my email is (it’s my girlfriends). anything will help, thanks so much…bruce

Kirk, What type of file format does it have to be in to get it printed out by Kinkos? I have been playing with DAT Designer 98 and have a few templates. DAT Desiner 98 lets you export files into VRML 2.0 files would this be the right format? Thanks for any help! Chris>>> i’m a CAD designer by trade so i’ve been using my software to design > templates. i’ll export a file that i can take to kinko’s and have printed > at actual size. then, i spray mount the drawing onto my blank and cut to > the printed line. the results are quite nice. mathematically perfect and > symmetrical outlines! let me know what type of board you’re designing and > i’ll email you one of my templates for your reference.>>> kirk

i’m a CAD designer by trade so i’ve been using my software to design > templates. i’ll export a file that i can take to kinko’s and have printed > at actual size. then, i spray mount the drawing onto my blank and cut to > the printed line. the results are quite nice. mathematically perfect and > symmetrical outlines! let me know what type of board you’re designing and > i’ll email you one of my templates for your reference.>>> kirk Chris, Is it the down load trial period DAT or did you actually purchase the DAT package? How do you like it?

steve-- i use a cad package called “ProEngineer”. all my templates are created using conics instead of splines. i find that the conic behaves better and looks more like a surfboard curve. my drawings are done at full size and exported as “generic postscript” files. the kinko’s thing is a piece of cake. my file is saved to disc and i just open it on one of their computers and print it to their oversized plotter. the results are killer and i can save each template to use again if need be. let me know if you have more questions! --kirk

chris-- DAT Designer looks pretty cool. my cad software is similar in that i can manipulate the dimensions, tail shape, wide point, etc. with ease. i’m not sure about VRML. my files are exported as ‘generic postscript’ (check my response to steve’s post.) --kirk

steve–>>> i use a cad package called “ProEngineer”. all my templates are > created using conics instead of splines. i find that the conic behaves > better and looks more like a surfboard curve. my drawings are done at full > size and exported as “generic postscript” files. the kinko’s > thing is a piece of cake. my file is saved to disc and i just open it on > one of their computers and print it to their oversized plotter. the > results are killer and i can save each template to use again if need be. > let me know if you have more questions!>>> --kirk I would like to buy the software, is it expensive and where can I buy it?

the software is extremely expensive. it’s used for high end product development and mechanical design. i paid about $16,000 for my seat. again, this isn’t a surfboard designer like DAT. check out our website at www.geckodesigninc.com. this will give you an idea of what we do with the software. --kirk

bruce-- i posted an example of what your board might look like in the “diagram” section of the “boards” listings. check it out and let me know what you think. --kirk

kirk thanks for the diagram. i should have studied engineering…

bruce–>>> i posted an example of what your board might look like in the > “diagram” section of the “boards” listings. check it > out and let me know what you think.>>> --kirk Hey kirk, might you have one for a 9’6" Noserider? Thanks, deeb

DAT Desiner 98 lets you export files into VRML 2.0 files would this be the > right format? Thanks for any help!>>> Chris Chris. I can tell you it definately won’t be VRML 2.0. VRML stands for virtual reality markup language and only makes sense in cyberspace. Look for one of these file types: pict, eps, tiff, jpg, png better yet check out the help section of DAT designer both in the software and at the site. Good luck. Swaylock http://www.swaylocks.com/classifieds/classifieds.cgi

of course, any board you can imagine i can create.

Steve, It is the download trail version. I have enjoyed it very much. Learn something new every day with it. With it I am able to print as many 1/3-scale templates as I want. Then I plan on taking them to Kinkos and have full scale blue prints made of the 1/3-scaled template. I think that this is the best route to go over the whole file conversion mentioned by Kirk in my case as I am not so computer savvy as someone that makes a living on these fangled machines.

Steve,>>> It is the download trail version. I have enjoyed it very much. Learn > something new every day with it. With it I am able to print as many > 1/3-scale templates as I want. Then I plan on taking them to > Kinkos and have full scale blue prints made of the 1/3-scaled > template. I think that this is the best route to go over the whole file > conversion mentioned by Kirk in my case as I am not so computer savvy as > someone that makes a living on these fangled machines. Chris after looking at the Dat designer I downloaded I am a little confused on what type of template I should print. Thanks -Brandon

Brandon if you want the outline of the board you print out the “Planeshape” template. That is all that I have used so far. Still trying to get the rocker, and rail part figures out. Chris>>> Chris after looking at the Dat designer I downloaded I am a little > confused on what type of template I should print. Thanks -Brandon