Add some echo to reverb here, bettah too much rocker than not enough if your steppin up from what barely looked like sunset to real pipe.
Probably whats gunna happen is some one will actually hook up with that board and we might be in for a treat.
Kinda wish it was me.
edit; addition
some one like homer perhaps homies.
JANKLOW what are you on ?? i want some
You want some chair?
Reverb, Fernando.
The LAST PLACE, anyone with a lick of sense should be, is on that board in big lined-up hollow conditions, at LANIAKEA !!! Laniakea, in the opinion of many, is the best, and fastest, big wave on the North Shore. I share that opinion. Roy’s board would have no business being out in the waves there. The wave is faster than Sunset, and the walls are three to four times longer. A rider, up to the task, may be found. The subject board, is not. Let’s just let it play out. The board is there, and the conditions if not there now, soon will be. We live in interesting times, eh?
Ya man, Bonga is the man. Glad you posted that link to clarify the difference. I’ve been following this story also, and it seems very clear to me that the 13 footer would be better compared to a old redwood plank, and drag a foot!
=)
…Bill,
yes
for that reason I say Laniakea and the other spots are the waves to ride
why?
is not that the challenge?
I know that for a first ride; to feel the board, know the stances, position, how the board take off, etc, was better to surf that not so good Sunset conditions
but then I suppose that we all here are expectantly about the real deal…
find skilled big riders in the NS is not so difficult
-also, in my opinion, with that heavy rocker all the way, the rider should be in a position more forward (drop, and down the line)
What I get from Randy’s test results is that it may work at Laniakea and Pipe if you have enough face to get into the wave angled and then just set your line. Big Pipe will setup just like that. I’m pretty sure you can get a few out at decent size Laniakea and do the same. Whether you out run the wave or the wave out runs you is to be seen.
Roy’s board may not work better than modern boards in Hawaii, but I think Randy put everything into the right perspective.
All you guys that just want to trash Roy will only see that this board doesn’t work as well as he said it would. Most of us here in Hawaii tried to get him to make a few adjustments to the rails, etc., but he stayed on course with his design. I think he has done something so unique that all the naysayers should now be quite.
Roy set the standard… make a board and send it out into the world and let everyone try it. I’ve only seen a few others willing to do the same, Ambrose, and the Yellow Board project come to mind. I send a Mahalo Nui Loa out to all that helped get the board to all the destinations that it has been to.
Maybe we should all do one. Make what you think is your best design and send it out into swayland for test rides. It would be interesting to see one of Mr. Thrailkill’s double finned boards here in Hawaii. I know that GL brought his latest WMD compsand for a test. Tom Wegener’s and Tom Stone’s wooden finless boards have been out at Sunset as well.
What the world needs is to get the positive vibe back up enough to overpower the negative vibe. Just like what Cheyne Horan talked about in “Surfers the Movie”. Let’s get together and have a good time instead of fighting with each other.
Roy answered a challenge and created a board and sent it halfway around the world for folks to try. Whether it lives up to Roy’s claims in the minds of some who try it is irrelevant at this point. Roy took action and did what he said he would do. I appreciate Randy Rarick taking the time to give it a go and then writing about it.
Roy is a veritable bastion of negativity. He has a long history of attacking the work of other shapers in the most derogatory of terms. Now we are all supposed to hold hands and sing kumbayah for Roy?
All the negativity Roy is reaping is the result of what he has sown.
No sympathy.
EDIT: This post was NOT composed by Spence. I’m his partner and I didn’t notice I was logged in under his handle. Regular handle is GWS. The opinions and views expressed by myself… 
well done randy
me and my mate miles rode the board in similar size waves to your session and we found the best riding position was in a forward trim. in the correct trim the board does accelerate quite nicely on a high line. it looked to me randy, that you were a bit too far back and stalling it. i think that traditional longboaders may tend to try and surf it off the tail.
here is miles in a forward trim at the end of a ride he had.
again in this photo he is riding well forward and racing.
i obviously couldnt be stuffed hanging around with a camera because it was pumping all over the bay
but i did manage to get a few shots
there were some bigger sets than this.
Randy if you get to have another go on it i suggest you try stepping forward as if to nose ride and you will find the sweet spot
i dont think anyone can comment on it unless they actually get off the couch and ride like randy did
Roy is a veritable bastion of negativity. He has a long history of attacking the work of other shapers in the most derogatory of terms. Now we are all supposed to hold hands and sing kumbayah for Roy?
All the negativity Roy is reaping is the result of what he has sown.
No sympathy.
EDIT: This post was NOT composed by Spence. I’m his partner and I didn’t notice I was logged in under his handle. Regular handle is GWS. The opinions and views expressed by myself…
I don’t see anyone singing Kumbayah or asking for sympathy for Roy. He completed his part of the task. End of story. What does the rest matter? He his banned anyway.
“I don’t see anyone singing Kumbayah or asking for sympathy for Roy.†– SoloSurfer
Then perhaps I misinterpreted the tone of the following…
“What the world needs is to get the positive vibe back up enough to overpower the negative vibe. Just like what Cheyne Horan talked about in “Surfers the Movie”. Let’s get together and have a good time instead of fighting with each other.†– Shark Country
And I thought his self imposed “task” was to prove his board a superior vehicle for riding large Pipe?
If this is the recoommended sweet spot
and this thing flexes as much as it appears to do
then the one thing that stands out in my mind
is it must work like my old BAHNE flex skateboard I had in the early 70’s
any of you remember those?
we used to use them in those silly slalom competitions they used to have back them
my brother and i entered a couple back in seattle
you’d ride with your feet togethor in a sweet spot similar to the one Mr. Stewart is highlighting and pump your board through the cones accelerating with each pump. Anyone here ever do that. You could carve very tight turns at speed using this technique with this type of skateboard. But of course the BAHNE had a reverse camber like a snowski as well.
I remember using that same technique instead of “tacking” to “pump” my little red/orange fiberglass BAHNE all around UW as an underclassman pretending I was surfing cause i was so homesick. Later I used the technique i learned using my little BAHNE when I took up mono skiing on my Rossignal Mono. It made riding deep powder at Snowbird and Whistler alot more fun than managing with my old short and fatty dual Heads.
Anyway Paul
is this what happening with this design?
and why you need to be standing almost in the center of the board to get the maximum effect from the design?
Just seeing this sweetspot diagram Mr. Stewart drew kind of clicked for me these old memories…
Harry,
There have been five different boards with the double fin setup, on the North Shore, since 2002. The four I took over were 6’ 8’‘, 8’ 4’‘, 8’ 10’‘, and a 9’ 0’’ gun. What is the question? What is it you want proven? Does it work? Simply stated, yes. Did I get in anyones face, and claim it to be superior to anything else out there? No, I did not. Am I a naysayer here? No, but I am a truthsayer. Drop two boxes in one of your boards, on two inch centers, and see if you like how it feels/rides. Simple as that. I’m still waiting for the demonstration of blinding speed, through long sections at Laniakea. Hype or rider skill will not let you do what the board cannot. That wave, when it’s working, is unforgiving. But it’s a great wave, as you know. Same with Pipe’.
So, I’m waiting. Remember, as pointed out by Janklow, superior performance was the brag. Short of that, the design, interesting though it may be, will none the less be a failure. If pointing that out makes me a bad person, then I’m a bad person. Don’t lose sight of the fact that Roy is getting exactly what he is after, ATTENTION. Win, lose, or draw, he’s getting the attention he craves. Ping my e-mail, and I’ll send you some photos of several of the boards. The nine foot gun may be of interest to you.
Harry,
There have been five different boards with the double fin setup, on the North Shore, since 2002. The four I took over were 6’ 8’‘, 8’ 4’‘, 8’ 10’‘, and a 9’ 0’’ gun. What is the question? What is it you want proven? Does it work? Simply stated, yes. Did I get in anyones face, and claim it to be superior to anything else out there? No, I did not. Am I a naysayer here? No, but I am a truthsayer. Drop two boxes in one of your boards, on two inch centers, and see if you like how it feels/rides. Simple as that. I’m still waiting for the demonstration of blinding speed, through long sections at Laniakea. Hype or rider skill will not let you do what the board cannot. That wave, when it’s working, is unforgiving. But it’s a great wave, as you know. Same with Pipe’.
So, I’m waiting. Remember, as pointed out by Janklow, superior performance was the brag. Short of that, the design, interesting though it may be, will none the less be a failure. If pointing that out makes me a bad person, then I’m a bad person. Don’t lose sight of the fact that Roy is getting exactly what he is after, ATTENTION. Win, lose, or draw, he’s getting the attention he craves. Ping my e-mail, and I’ll send you some photos of several of the boards. The nine foot gun may be of interest to you.
I see it the same way. This was supposed to be “THE” board. I remember reading things like “The ideal board for any size waves”. An ideal board would not be so difficult to dial in by an above average or even average surfer. These things are like 10 grand right? See through the smoke screen people the goal here was to pump up Roys way over-inflated ego regardless of how many times Roy cloaks it under the premise of some kind of challenge. Whatever. If that board survives a drop on a 8 foot pipe barrel I’ll be really suprised. Even more so if it’s a good pipe surfer and he comes in stating he’d prefer it over his regular board for that spot (yeah right). The fact that this whole sweet spot thing is now the focus proves there’s no winning against Roy or even getting a point across. He surfs waves the way he surfs them and makes fun of anyone that surfs them different. Bashes other shapers…calls hawaiians “limp wristed pussies” etc… and discounts any and all performance advancements made over the last several decades. What a joke. He says regardless of the feedback he won’t change the design. HUH? IMO ANYONE claiming ANY board is ideal for ANY wave that they have never even seen in person, let alone surfed or have any feedback from is a blowhard. This outcome was predictable. Anyone crazy enough to paddle that thing out in real pipe is a lunatic with a death wish. Need I remind everyone what Hynsons downrail did for surfing pipe? In Gerry Lopez’s words they went form surviving it…to surfing it. The way Randy describes how the water wraps the rail in the tail means this thing is going over the falls big time. Won’t even make it to the bottom for that holy trim Roy speaks of. And if you get hit by the thing coming over with the lip it’s gonna be lights out. I’m LMAO at how Roy can’t (conviently) make it over there to show everyone where this sweet spot is lol. He made sure from the beginning that he wouldn’t arrive with the board as then there would be video proof (whether good or bad) that Roy couldn’t deny. He’d try though and it’d be another ten pager. Win win for Roy. I would never take this whole thing seriously until all escape hatches for Roy were eliminated meaning he surfs it at real pipe which ain’t gonna happen. You’ve all been had.
here is miles in a forward trim at the end of a ride he had.
If that is a “forward” trim position then it would only make sense that the board has at least a foot and a half of unnecessary, useless length.
Roy keeps stating that people aren’t riding it correctly, and they’re ignoring the “sweet spot” which he clearly marked on the board bag. What, are they supposed to leave it in the bag? <j/k>
The original thread where this all started was deleted, AFAIK. But, my memory says that Roy’s initial claim was that his 13er was superior to any modern longboard, and it would out perform in a wave as serious as Pipe. This is the test that was the original goal. Roy also seems to lump any and all longboards into the same bag. Calls them mals or noseriders. Any one who knows half a whit about board design also knows that longboards come in a wide variety of shapes. Roy seems too thick to grasp this. But, that’s about par, for him.
All this praise he’s getting, both here and on other forums, ignores what his original claim is. They also seem unaware that he was virtually shamed into shipping the board. Another thread was deleted from here that discussed the whereabouts of some shipping funds he was sent by a third party. Still, when the board got to Hawaii it had to be paid freight collect. What’s up with that?
I still am curious as to how Roy fits his head up his okole with that helmet on?
Just bloody ride the thing.
13 feet long, you think you can just stand anywhere?
OF COURSE there’s a sweet spot.
You guys are classic!
Don’t embarrass yourselves.
Even on a shortboard, if you put your feet a couple of inches out of place you’re screwed.
All this huffing and puffing…
It’s not Roys fault the board hasn’t seen Pipe yet.
I have no idea if it will work or not.
I have never even seen, let alone made a board remotely like this.
Have any of you? truely?
So how can you claim it won’t work?
The smart thing to do would be to quiet down and wait and see what happens.
Let Pipe prove it.
I’m not advocating or endorsing any claims made by Roy, i’m merely pointing out that anyone who categorically states that it WON’T work is vasty more egotistical.
For the designer/builder of the board to make a claim is one thing.
For someone who knows nothing about the construction or design to make a contrary claim is another…
You gotta be pretty full of yourself to profess to being an expert on a completely unique design that you’ve never even seen, or witnessed in action IN THE CONDITIONS IT WAS DESIGNED FOR
Bernie mate i have a great friend and her daughter coming to ohau
the wife of the guy in the photo above actually
she will be there for 3 weeks after new years
would you be interested in taking here for a cruize or a surf
shes part maori and interested in hawaiian culture.
they are only interested in surfing smaller waves
i found the board easy to surf and it flexes heaps
i watched a decent surfer strugling on it
i rekon its like a board for a front foot surfer like me
like a single fin or when your trying to milk an unbroken wave on a shortboard
and you have to edge forward but keep your weight right
miles also surfs off his front foot
i mainly surf 6 3s in up to doh, so the board was nice and refreshing change
i would surf it on smaller days if it was mine
im more interested in roys older shortboard designs
ya cant denying the construction with the rocker table and flat panel layup
its not only unique , itsalso very advanced and closely related to compsand in flex concepts and theory
roys work was very influencial in my boards
we use the same paulownia curtain blinds
at some stage i will build a compsand to one of roys designs
hey kit
theres a group of people that have never seen the board, nor met or chatted with the kiwis that have been sofar involved, that have strong negative feeling toward it.
i agree with you kit.
did anyone notice that randy overcalled the size and was dropping in
i think he was playing a joke on the forum kooks to see if they noticed
i really think he did a cool thing on the board getting a tube
but theres a lot of sychophants obviously think his shit doesnt stink and his word is gods
conviently overlooked 2 obvious things about the video that were ODD imo.
janklow and gws and lockbox
your opinions are noted
we know how you feel
stop your whinning , its embarrasing
go find a thread on quad lockbox resintint retro boards that work better than thrusters
theres plenty of those threads in all the surfing forums
your not trying to sell us anything are you?
Wouldn’t expect any less from you Silly
Quote:You’ve all been had.
I seriously doubt anyone was sitting with baited breath and a credit card for the results of this challenge. I think most are simply curious. Some to see if he would actually send it, others if it would work at all, others were hoping it wouldn’t happen or fail…but I doubt any were caught up in it enough to be…Had.
Paul
PM me with your malahini (visitor) info.
Keith’s coming here next month as well.
Anyway Roy told me somewhere else that I was kind on point with the effect of pumping that sweet spot.
I think we’ve all lost just what the hell this thing is made of and how it’s made.
you take 5-7 glued up lattice panels of wood ranging from 3/8" thick to 1/3" thick where the wood’s grain is directed to a certain offsetting angles and then lay all these flat sheets on a huge reverse rocker table to create a giant wooden reverse leaf spring. There’s a purpose for all this length which is described by Mr. Stewart in post in another forum:
Same as a bow, a bow has a draw weight which is an indication of its flexibility, this doesn’t change just because a stronger or weaker person is drawing the bow, but it might mean that a stiffer bow is needed for a stronger person. We were talking about flex with Doug here recently, the story is that doubling the length increases flex 4 times, halving the width increases it twice, and halving the thickness increases flex 8 times. So if you want the flex to be proportional to the rider mass, and the rider is (for example) 50% heavier then the board should be only 15% thicker, as a board 15% thicker is 50% stiffer.
This board is thin fairly narrow and long to create flex. Maybe the rocker has been over exaggerated to support an anticipated super steep drop. But the things gotta be around 2 1/2"-3 1/2" thick max. anything that thin and narrow and that long would just snap in any kind of normal construction in a stiffer/flatter orientation so the curve does have a purpose.
I think the problem being described is the same complaint I heard from many others about the Jim Richardson’s Surflight boards in that they are junk cause they all bog because they flex too much. But also that others say they perform best in super hollow waves as well. From personal experience I think too much weight(like me recently) that over flexes such a design board as well as causing it to flex in the wrong spot can lead to the reported bogging. Kind of like putting a Horan keel fin or the wave grinder fin on a board with a little too much tail rocker. When you’re on the tail it’s great move up and boom you’re gonna hit the brakes and get ejected.
All in all something that starts off all a bunch of 1/2" and 1/4" flat lattices of wood shouldn’t be able to ridden anywhere in any size. The fact that it has been ridden alot of places by varying folks for over a year and is still holding up to be ridden here says alot about its sturdiness, its basically a sum of 200 small pieces of glued, latticed and bent wood.
I think this all started out as a validation of this unique parallel profile build technique versus the standard wood kookbox and other board building techniques and then became a clash of strong egos and personalities (but what pro board builder or industry type doesn’t think they are like god’s gift to mankind anyway). Which had nothing to do with the actual board and riding it as you can tell from the reviews above.
We’ll only learn it validity the more the board is ridden and the more it’s put through here(waimea?pipeline?makaha?) to test the actual limits of this build method which you have to recognize as definitely being unique. Maybe something a little more conventional in design like Paul mentioned would put a different face on all this…
I like the idea someone put forward of everyone to just STFU and let the board do the talking cause it and only it will reveal itself overtime no matter what anyone says here creator or critic… I personally can’t wait for the next rider’s review I have a feeling it’s gonna be a good one too.
Just some pics to refresh everyone’s memory of what’s actually being ridden.
