When honest recall of Roy’s own words is considered “whinning,” a semi-literate sheepchaser has to be in the house.
Let him out, please.
What I meant by had didn’t involve money or people throwing their credit cards. I insinuated that it was all about attention cloaked as a “challenge” lest we forget that arose from Roy dissing Barnfield a world renowned pro shaper with proven designs.
It seems to be working well for Roy obviously controversy is one of his strongest suits. And it sells. Maybe not boards but popularity for sure. It’s when they stop talking about you that it’s over right? I would imagine it’s akin to a roadside wreck where people just have to stop and look. It was about this challenge that is pretty far fetched in my mind. For the record I often marvel at the workmanship of Roys boards. I consider myself a craftsman and would never in a million years be able to build something like that. I’m also sure it’s a great board for certain surfers. Problem is it has been repeatedly (more like beaten like ten dead horses) that this is an ideal board (keying on the word ideal) for any wave. Well comes to pass it’s a complicated board to ride that requires standing in one spot while trimming in a straight line to have any real benefit. How is that ideal? Roy claims it turns from this spot as well but if you’ve watched his videos at all and you claim the turns he’s doing are “ideal” then I suggest you have your eyes checked. I am not attempting to insult Roy or anyone here just stating my opinion which everyone else here besides me seems to be entitled to. We won’t even get into the reports of how hard or long it takes to spin it around and paddle for a wave that just popped up in front of you when it hit the reef the right way (like pipe). You paddle for one and miss it while it’s 10’ @ 13 sec and you may very well find yourself getting clobbered by the next one. Again hardly “ideal” IMO. Notice I said IMO. But what do I know? I’ve surfed pipe and backdoor for the first time in '89. Been there 17 times since and the place puts the fear of god in me. And I haven’t ever even surfed it anywhere close to this -
This was today BTW. The ideal board shoulda been out there no excuses…period.
I commend Roy for getting it to hawaii. I question however why it had to be paid freight collect when he took donations for shipping. Also I think if Gerry Lopez himself paddled it out and didn’t give it the raving review Roy expects he’d go straight into calling him a flapper kook etc… which just cheapens the whole thing for me. But by all means carry on the theaters full and popcorns sales are off the hook…
BTW I have a brand new 8’0" Rawson pintail sitting in Pats garage right at sunset point. I made one call to a friend and found three guys willing to paddle it tomorrow morning dawn patrol at sunset. They were frothing actually. That’s an “ideal” board! Not one that requires all the stars and planets to line up and a full tutorial on where to stand on it etc… The surf is good NOW. And just getting bigger. If it were ideal it’d be in the water first thing tomorrow. Done wasting time with this
He said Randy Rarick “kooked it.”
The real kook took down the YouTube video he had made about this board, with all the claiming, just as I knew he would after I posted it.
Anybody still pulling this guy’s load has definitely been had.
Bill you’re certainly right about what started this whole thing. I saw many of the threads he was a part of, but he’s not doing that on Sways anymore. I think we all know that in the end the board will probably not be what he claimed, but then again what if it does work? That board may work in big Pipe, stranger things have happened. As far as it working in big Laniakea, I don’t recall if that was one of the challenges.
You’re right Roy is the winner either way. The board is here now and it’s being ridden. The publicity he’s going to get is going to make him world famous. His boards may be different, but they sure are a wonderful piece of craftsmanship. That alone may make his boards great sellers.
From what I’ve seen Roy lives his life the way he wants, no compromises. His posts were the same, he never strayed from his point of view. I think Roy is a hell of a lot smarter than anyone is giving him credit for.
I did not intend to belittle your double fin design. I find it very interesting, something I would try. In fact I will make the Compsand I just started a double fin. Maybe a triple, just in case I don’t like the double.
I know you do a heck of a lot of good things for everyone in the Swaylocks community, especially those in CA. Somehow the word Roy just seems to bring out a different side of you.
Positive energy is so important. That’s all I wanted to get out… Live Aloha.
Harry (sharkcountry)
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What I meant by had didn’t involve money or people throwing their credit cards. I insinuated that it was all about attention cloaked as a “challenge” lest we forget that arose from Roy dissing Barnfield a world renowned pro shaper with proven designs.
It seems to be working well for Roy obviously controversy is one of his strongest suits. And it sells. Maybe not boards but popularity for sure. It’s when they stop talking about you that it’s over right? I would imagine it’s akin to a roadside wreck where people just have to stop and look. It was about this challenge that is pretty far fetched in my mind. For the record I often marvel at the workmanship of Roys boards. I consider myself a craftsman and would never in a million years be able to build something like that. I’m also sure it’s a great board for certain surfers. Problem is it has been repeatedly (more like beaten like ten dead horses) that this is an ideal board (keying on the word ideal) for any wave. Well comes to pass it’s a complicated board to ride that requires standing in one spot while trimming in a straight line to have any real benefit. How is that ideal? Roy claims it turns from this spot as well but if you’ve watched his videos at all and you claim the turns he’s doing are “ideal” then I suggest you have your eyes checked. I am not attempting to insult Roy or anyone here just stating my opinion which everyone else here besides me seems to be entitled to. We won’t even get into the reports of how hard or long it takes to spin it around and paddle for a wave that just popped up in front of you when it hit the reef the right way (like pipe). You paddle for one and miss it while it’s 10’ @ 13 sec and you may very well find yourself getting clobbered by the next one. Again hardly “ideal” IMO. Notice I said IMO. But what do I know? I’ve surfed pipe and backdoor for the first time in '89. Been there 17 times since and the place puts the fear of god in me. And I haven’t ever even surfed it anywhere close to this -
This was today BTW. The ideal board shoulda been out there no excuses…period.
I commend Roy for getting it to hawaii. I question however why it had to be paid freight collect when he took donations for shipping. Also I think if Gerry Lopez himself paddled it out and didn’t give it the raving review Roy expects he’d go straight into calling him a flapper kook etc… which just cheapens the whole thing for me. But by all means carry on the theaters full and popcorns sales are off the hook…
BTW I have a brand new 8’0" Rawson pintail sitting in Pats garage right at sunset point. I made one call to a friend and found three guys willing to paddle it tomorrow morning dawn patrol at sunset. They were frothing actually. That’s an “ideal” board! Not one that requires all the stars and planets to line up and a full tutorial on where to stand on it etc… The surf is good NOW. And just getting bigger. If it were ideal it’d be in the water first thing tomorrow. Done wasting time with this
J,
Roy got the board to Hawaii as promised. I agree, he does need to be able to take criticism of the design now that it’s being ridden. Thats also part of the territory when it comes to promoting something.
I wanna see the board paddled out into this
and it out-performing other boards. No back pedaling. No excuses…no “he wasn’t riding it properly” bullshiat. That was the claim. There’s only one way to ride that and it’s over the ledge baby… cinch up your sack and hang on for dear life. It either makes it or it’s kindling. Roy has no clue what pipe is like not even a hint. It was on him to get it to the rock and someone else ended up paying the freight on this end. Now everyone wants to give him kudos for it getting there? Sheesh. The man has 12 kids and can’t even get to the beach but he’s on the ERBB literally nite and day with a 40 page thread? Aye carumba who’s raising those hellions? Says alot about what his priorities are. Wait a second…they live in a bus. That says even more. I rest my case lol.
Poor kids
This response at surfer had me rolling and at least someone sees the “big picture” lol.
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very compelling thread. roy i gotta hand it to you - you’re not only a “no such thing as bad publicity” megalomaniac genius, but even people who can’t stand you are willing to pay for your airfare to paradise. fu<king genius!
stay tuned everyone, i’m shaping a surfboard out of bacon that rides in the barrel longer than anything ever built. all previous waveriding designs/designers are turd eating phuckups.
who wants to fund the bacon boards way to hawaii? It’s gonna put everything ever before it to shame. lol
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this is the recoommended sweet spot
Your joking
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A few points:
Saying that if the board were good for pipeline it would be out there is begging the question. . . which is a fundamental error in logic
I don’t live in a bus
Stop making comments about my family or I’ll front page sweep this place for a week
Lokbox you post on surferbb but are too spinless to say you stuff where I can answer it
If you can’t see that Randy was kooking it, falling off, and standing in the wrong place then you area kook yourself and suffering from ‘emperor’s new clothes’ syndrome
No one can dial in to an entirely new design in 5 waves, not even Randy. To give the board a good showing a rdier needs to stick with it for several weeks at the least
Ciao
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Stick it in here Roy
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Lokbox you post on surferbb but are too spinless to say you stuff where I can answer it
Is this not you answering? Lol
Many posters have mentioned that Randy appeared to surf the board way better than any footage ever posted with you riding it. So he outsurfed you in 5 waves on a design you’ve been riding for years? And you said he was kooking it? Lol
I counted a few cover ups… never seen you get one.
The “Ideal” board now takes several weeks to dial in?
Pass the popcorn!
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Pussies mate, a wee bit chicken
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why is it that you are not here to drop in at the pipe?
GMac will go, “show him the money”
No I have eyes that override “ideas”.
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perfectly makeable sections
Like the one this guy was making on his mal before you dropped in and bogged out losing the wave and ruining it for the other rider?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqO90EA78sk
Lol. Pass the popcorn!!
Any surfer who knows salt can obviously see that board was not challenged to its potential, take it to the edge and smash the pps or pos into 2 hundred plus pieces if ya can, just give it a go fairly.
- doesn’t matter who made it or who rode it to pipe.
A glimpse into reality…and the ferocity of pipeline. Anyone thats spent any time there knows that it’s always trying to sort itself out sandwise. It ain’t Teahupoo. The proximity to the beach…and the changes that happen so quick. The uglier side that the mags don’t show. The regulars slug it out regardless. Takes a different surfer to want pipe. Takes a veteran to know what works well out there. And that means skin on the reef. No matter who you are eventually you’ll get hurt if you charge pipe. And there’s no other way to surf it. Correct me if I’m wrong but that’s known as 6 to 8 foot hawaiian (on the sets)… and by the looks of the crowd on the 5th wave you’d be commanding ultimate control of your board without killing someone…
The detonation at 2:35 is indicative
Exactly, If that wave wants you it is going to eat you.
My plan of attack would be a ski a vest and helmet, wait for a second or third reef day then feel the board out back on some face, if it feels right… never know,
simple huh.
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great stoke though.
a pic after some r&d at puaena
Briley does an amazing job of getting spat out not eaten.
Actually ive seen him get eaten also, ask him.
Point is you need a board, the wave and yourself to really surf pipe, I am not convinced blokes board can not be ridden there,
with that im done for now.
Mr. Panther, I believe that you are misinformed, the Hot Curl design is not mine, it was designed by Wally Froseith, Fran Heath and John Kelly.
I was taken on tours of private collections and surfboard museums to see original Hot Curls, Hot Curl transition boards and Joe Quiggs ultimate transformation to the forerunner of the “modern” big wave boards.
I was offered a contract to build 17 of these boards, but in the contract it says, I am not to stray from the original boards and add my own modern influence to the designs. This was so that bull could not be called on the film project and modernized boards sustitued for original equipment.
Mark Healy did eat absolute crap on a day that was out of control and truely not suited for antique designs, but it was not until he took out his foam “Pipe” board that he was dusted and broke his knee.
Mark healy rode the board for the challenge to see what hurdles face the surfers of the mid 30’s and 40’s faced.
In fact, at this time in history, balsa was NOT in play and the boards were still being shaped from single planks of Redwood.
Fran heath surfed Sunset in 1938 and Pipeline in 1939.
Mark was not getting paid to ride the boards, nor Bonga, nor Tom Pohaku , Teene Froseith, the list goes on, great surfers willing and wanting to see what the men who paddled out before them, had to fae to tackle the big surf of Hawaii.
in the last 3 years janklow has never shown any evidence he can even surf let alone shape
still waiting Janklow??
right, you cant surf can you!
so your opinion means nothing.
i enjoyed your hate pms you sent me last year
and i remember you trolling your new mate bill thrailkill a couple of years back as well.
over 2 years ive had to put up with crap from lockbox because i dont endorse his box design for compsands,which he claims is great
imo its over enginered and shows a huge ego by not designing it to fit fcs fins
i wouldnt use your box just because you are full of yourself, let alone that fcs and probox are better products.
mabye you should take a page out of the other fin companys book, and learn how to treat people with respect instead of being so rude
you and your sycophant trolls behave like rude ego maniacs
its not good for business
and your right
roy won!
hes more popular then your finbox
must be hard to stomach, that people are more interested in roys board then reading your spam.
lay off and just let us have our fun