The new frontier?

Do you think the next big leep in surfboard development will be in shape or construction?

I’m thinking that board design is somewhat stagnent.

Not so much cause new concepts are not forth coming but existing concepts are finding

new life and pushing there own boundaries because of the advancement and possibilities

offered in new hi-tech materials and technology.

It seems that the greatest leeps will come in the materials and the manufacturing process.

I wonder what it will be? Any body want to share thier ideas/hints/guesses as to what is

on the horizon?

i feel like surfboard design is kind of at it’s peak, i dont think shapes can get any more high performance, just as a basketball can’t get any more round. Key word here is SHAPES, not materials. ever since the hard tail, longboards haven’t changed much either. and i suspect that they wont because they really can’t.

but i may be wrong.

With the current interest in retro designs, I’ve been thinking that there isn’t much new under the sun. Maybe surfboard design will go the way of the fashion industry… simply recycle something “new” every season?

Materials and performance tweaks will be where new stuff is really happening.

here’s an interesting concept. customizable tail shape configurations. looks like this idea could also be utilized at the nose end of the board. i like the idea of swapping out your narrow-nose/squash tail panels with your wider-nose/swallow tail panels…pretty cool.

found at www.meyerhoffer.com

kirk

Every once in a while, somebody comes along who truly thinks outside the box. Maybe that individual has just not come along yet for the next step in surfing. The fun is in the unpredictability of such leaps.

New materials will come first but they will allow us to move into shapes that could not be done previously.  Perhaps a 1/4" thick nose that is nearly ubreakable with bulbous rales on it.  All the bulk/float between your feet.  Slightly smaller boards as they weigh less and less.  I think there is still a lot of bottom countour work to be learned as new fins are experimented with.  Guys have thought they were at the pinnacle of shaping from day one.  I think we have plenty more refining to go.  As far as looking at boards and seeing obvious changes, the materials will certainly change more drastically than shapes though.

I think changing the materials will necessitate shape development.

Every time I look at an airplane, a race car wing, I keep thinking…wow when you have a horizontal control access, you create sooo much lift, it’s incredible. think of how mcuh everything in a jumbojet weighs: the engines, passnegers, cargo, body. Now think of whats creating all the lift and stability; the wings. the engine jsut creates the thrust. Surfboard…wave energy…I think you can still tap into so much more of the wave and ride it faster, bigger and keep getting gnarlier. the shape of a basketball can’t change; its a ball. Surfboards have many different factors and so many variables, so many shapes. And you have to work wiht every single aspect in unison wiht the other. i think fin technology is jsut starting to be explored. Look at the creation of a hydrofoil…it takes so little energy to get that thing to plane and then you’re completley out of the water…I think hydroplaning surfing and normal surfing are completely different right now…but the physics that make both of these things are so similar, I think that there will be some blending, and evolving going both ways. Construction techniques will continue to evolve…bottom contours…fin setups, hell maybe even twin fins will be a futures. All the younger shortbaord kids jsut want to keep getting bigger and bigger airs, more powerful carving, faster boards…as long as there are people who want to push the envelope the surfbaord will keep evolving

the guy is out there taking off where no man has gone before.

a guy like buzzy trent is watching him

then it was jim fisher.now its ------- some guy—

nifty new materials,cosmic thought,a lotta blab arround the fire…

the guy is doin’ it right now while we are reading and writing…

simmons greenough hobie martin mongoose flash chicken foot lunkmeat so what ? whaddaya doin out side the box? takin a carp on the rug? or learning to swim the inverted breast stroke into head high waves ?

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…ambrose…we all wanna be there when the world changes…why so we can say we were?

As you say “fixed” board design has reached something of peak. From 10’ planks to 6’ rockered out thrusters there probably aren’t that many avenues left to explore using conventional thinking. The waves 99% of us surf 99% of the time aren’t going to change, it’s unlikely that as a species we are going to suddenly change very much (physically) and gravity will in likelyhood stay pretty much the same.

However, I think there will be four main areas of development, individually it would be hard to so see any one making a huge difference, but combined?

The first will be incremental improvements in hydrodynamics, fins, rails, etc. Nothing huge but a few percent here and there, and highly tuned kit for specific conditions.

The second will be construction, there are huge range of construction methods and materials out there yet most boards use pretty much the same three materials as forty years ago.

The third will be an improved mathmatical and engineering model of surfboard dynamics (hard) and structures (easy). On the face of it this might not seem like a big deal but you could go along to a shaper/builder and instead of taking years and many boards to find the right combination the shaper will be able model the board on the face of the wave with YOU riding it and get that much closer to perfection (or disaster depending on the skill of the shaper) first time.

The fourth will be adjustable boards. This has already started with the various fin systems, but that’s just the lemon next to pie (I love that quote). In a few years time we’ll be able to tune the rocker, the tail shape, the fins, and maybe even the rails. You’ll turn up at a break with your board and instead of 6’ perfection it’ll be 8’ lump, you’ll pump in a bit more volume, swap out the fins, change from a squash to swallow tail, let out a bit of rocker in the tail add a bit in the nose, and off you go.

Think about it, pretty much every other object we use is studied and engineered to give flexibility in the way we use it, you can change the position of car seats in a hundred different ways, you have more than one radio station. Even similar products such windsurfer sails and yacht masts can be tuned to suite conditions. This will be the big difference, but relies on the rest to mean very much.

All these areas will have to work hand in hand, and the surfer will have to change too. The difference between the kook on his popout with little knowledge of the ocean and his equipment, and the experienced bloke who has taken the time and the effort to understand the waves and his boards will be bigger than ever. Boards will cost more and last longer. Instead of a quick scratch of his head before getting his nipper to copy some young professionals Indo wild thing to suite dad trying to catch a quick one before work the big name shapers will have to provide a service to match the local guy’s. The local guy’s will have access to technologies that enable them to shape the right board for his client whether it’s north coast south coast or whatever.

Time and effort spent developing a relationship between the waves, your board, and your shaper will pay back bigger than ever.

What is surfing ?

Depending on your answer, thats your future.

If you want to emulate the WCT then you’ll ride what they ride.

If you want to emulate Da Cat then youre future is a Model T

If you want to be one with the wave then the future is a mat.

And so on and so on.

There is no one future, the future is diversity and we are the luckiest sob’s alive because Swaylocks has helped us embrace this diversity.

Hi Guys,

As mentioned on a previous thread, we have just started work on a project which we hope will lead the way into further development of board and fin design.

http://www.swaylocks.com/forum/gforum.cgi?post=199085#199085

I believe that our first and foremost effort will be on understanding the science of surfboard hydrodynamics, and while this will constitute a major work effort on our behalf, the type of advances we will get in terms of performance will initially be small.

On the other hand, I believe that looking into the materials and manufacturing processes coupled with advanced computer design methods (particularly those derived from an understading of the hydrodynamics) will allow a much greater scope to improve performance.

Best regards,

Nick

I always wondered if you could put scales (like a fish) on the hull of a board.Maybe just some plastic tabs of some sort,overlapped and stapled on just to see what happens.Sharks might like em though? RB

If you’re really having fun, then everything else falls into place.

How well will you be surfing at age 63?

From yesterday… George Greenough drops in, with Boyd Kellner on the shoulder - photo by Harold “Wardie” Ward http://www.funfotoz.com/

advanced composite construction …

design has stagnated , along with design stagnation , progressive manouvers have also stagnated …

10 years ago i had a young guy doing combinations of areial manouvers on my boards i havent seen repeated to this day by anyone , not even the worlds best …

even now theyre are guys doing stuff on my boards no one else in the world is doing on anything else …

its the new frontier , it just takes time for the word to get back to the city …

forget the pros , its a big con …

the whole pro circuit is just a giant infomercial …

theres no other way of getting the message out , mainstream media is user pays …

if it wasnt for sways , we wouldnt even know there was new frontiers …

the reality is , until something is commercialised , the mainstream dont even realise whats happening on the frontiers until its being sold to them …

regards

BERT

In the late 1800’s the head of the U.S. patent office suggested that the patent office be closed for good, since every thing that could be invented had already been invented.

We can only see so far into the surfboard future, because our knowledge is limited to what we know today.

Just wait. Doug

Plenty of interesting answers…here’s my 2 cents on the topic.

In the short term, the main thing to me seems to be reproducibility. Computer aided design and build are starting to get closer to the 99.9% clonability level. The APS3000 has made a good start and when integrated with 3D lazer measurement technologies (have they done this yet?), I’m sure them and their competitors will start to get really close to a finished product straight from the machine. Putting aside the manufacturing implications (e.g. will there still be place for a small-quantity shaper, will this lead to a more globalized surfboard shaping practice, will the price of surfboards drop etc.) I do see big benefits being made here. Much more important than being able to reproduce ‘this one all-time board I had 5 years ago’ is the ability to confidently prove or disprove hypotheses because for the first time the environment is almost controllable. This will help firm up current ‘recipe’ sets (e.g. medium surfer of x weight surfing y conditions based on last board z etc. needs x/y rocker, a/b board size etc). Better still it will also provide a good platform for faster and better quality innovation (e.g. improved foils) because the trial and error/iterative process is repeatable. Maybe some black sheep concepts will see the light again?

In the longer term maybe there is a large scope for the development pre-ride and even ride time controls. Fin systems are providing effective pre-ride controls. The fourway fin system seems like a really good concepts - has anyone used them? Despite Intels best efforts, I just can’t see computers will play a big role in ridetime controls for a while, if ever - surfers have always shown an appreciation for and tempered the development of new ideas with a strong sense of practicality - look at wax and the leash; simple but effective. Tiktok was spot on there - someone will produce the ‘new wax/leash’ surely in the next 10 or so years. Maybe this will be in the area of ridetime controls - they can have such a huge effect on the way a wave is ridden, yet there is nothing widely available in the marketplace (if anything?)…

Doug, that is the best answer yet!!!

The next revolution in materials is already here. It is Bamboo.

Hard as Maple, flexible laterally but imcompressible vertically, stronger than steel pound for pound, grows at the rate of 1 foot a day, everywhere, Easy to work, cheap (free almost) , environmentally beneficial. The only thing that is petrochemical based is the epoxy and plant based stuff is in the works. That’s correct, i said the only thing…

The first generation designs - Bamboo skin over foam, pioneered by Gary Young of the Big island (see attachment) is proven and tested and the results indicate tremendous potential.

The second generation is on the drawing boards. Xpect rumours of prototypes by late summer. Out of Asia.

aloha

Makena

Whatever it is, everyone will complain about it having no soul compared to poly constructed boards and there will be endless threads here on Swaylocks here and elsewhere bashing whoever is bold enough to be espousing these technological advances. [b]:wink: