If I want to make a board, will I? Yes.
Do I need guidance and suggestions about rockers and shapes sometimes? Of course.
Will I ask for insights here? Sure.
Does anybody give a damn about what I’m making? Unlikely.
The Surfing Industrial Complex? Who gives a sh!t? They weren’t around in the beginning, they won’t be around in the end?
Inanimate objects with soul? LMAO
I think a data base is not out of the question… Not really a requirement but it would be nice…
Why when I read posts from people who want to know the best location for fins on their newly built board do I read so many responses directing that person to the McKee what…??? Data-base…Ok… It’s a page with dimensions, but you get my drift…(and we all refer to it as if it were our own, come on you know you do…;))
Thank you Mr. McKee… …Ever wonder why he posted that on his site for all to see?? My guess is because he’s NOT an ass…And the fin locations listed are only a guide and not an absolute…
Hell, there’s guys on here that post up the entire book on planing hulls written by Sir What’s his name…
It’s only a reference guide… No one’s being “lazy” here, on the contrary, at least we build our own here and learn how the things work based on our mistakes and help from like minded others…
I’ve never built a long board, seen a few, but I have no idea what rocker to put in a 10’+ nose rider, never mind know where to put the fins… So am I to assume I’m being lazy if I ask here for a rocker that works for such a craft and perhaps some good alround fin locations for the same board??
Are you going to say : Ha ! Kiterider… Find out for yourself what a good longboard rocker should be, and if you mess up this giant craft , just chalk it up to the learning curve and consider it part of paying your dues" …
I don’t or didn’t think that was the spirit here…
I almost feel it’s my duty to answer questions asked of me if it insures your happiness with boardbuilding and prevents you from becoming discouraged and giving up…I get quite a few PM’s from great people here asking me questions about the way I do things… I’m so friggin’ flattered and happy they asked…Although I can see them reading my responses probably thinking … “Ok, enough already”…;) lol
Only 1hr. of good wind today… Might account for my slight “edge” above… Forecast is for 20 to 25 knt. 5’ to 7’ NNE Sat. and Sunday…That will calm me down… I’m sure… lol
OK, I've searched around a bit. Maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but near as I can tell, swaylocks doesn't have ANY catalogs - template, fin location, rocker, etc.
There is a poster here who offers free template downloads from his website. And like was mentioned, McKee has quad layout diagrams on his website.
I agree with Ambrose that it isn't really necessary - I generally build one at time, design my own by hand on graph paper, and don't try to replicate anything exactly. Machine precision isn't my thing. But I do find pictures and diagrams to be helpful - especially since I like trying new things, but don't get the water time to really explore the nuances of different shapes / bottoms / fin configurations myself, so I like learning what I can from others, then making my own version.
I can see where guys who have created a niche with their own personal designs have a bit of a protective feeling about their shaping secrets. But at the same time, I think there are ways to take virtually ANY board, and scan it and translate the shape into a computer file. And this stuff isn't really easily licensed, trademarked, patented, or copyrighted, so its pretty much fair game once its out there in the real world.
There have been threads here about how big name surfboard mfg's have imitated shapes of lesser-known boardmakers, given it their own name, and marketed the design as their own. Even when its proven which came first, the response is often "we developed it simultaneously, without being aware of the other guy's design". So what're you gonna do?
A catalog of fin shapes and layouts would be awesome - so many questions get asked over and over. The question is, how would such a thing even be set up? Maybe there could be categories, like single fin, twin, thruster, quad, cinco - then anyone could enter their photos or diagram and notes, kinda like Quiver?
But as far as rocker, I don't know how that could be set up. I don't even know how useful a rocker catalog would be, without the template, fins, and some cross-sections.
Hey Huck.
I can only see the point in protecting what someone might feel as “personal property” if it endangers your main sorce of income or is your chosen profession…
In that case, data basing your personal hard earned rocker developments might be considered giving away the cow, or was it goat ??
I am a hobbyist who sells boards only to pay for more materials… Not everyone is in that boat, I realize that…
That being said… Being overly protective of such things sometimes seems so frivolous… Do doctors hide what they’ve learned simply because they feel the information is theirs… Maybe I shouldn’t go there…
We all learned what we do in life from someone… Hopefully they were a caring and enthusiastic teacher… That’s what I thought Sway’s was about…
hahaha, best answer right there…
O.K. , not secret rocker catalogue
Clark foam catalogue archaic
U.S.blanks catalogue Blanks Catalog
you squeezed the secret from me
dont tell , yater , harbour , bruce jones
oh by the way,if you want to make - not a long board
they have other ‘‘secrets’’ too.
…ambrose…
look good.
you really have high
coercive talents
kitey.
you really have high
coercive talents
kitey.
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Should I say …Thank you ?? "))
I only want to share the best as well as reap the best… Why else would I be here??
If you really want to get crazy, plug the US Blanks tail and nose rocker numbers into the French design program. Then record the numbers generated as you drag the cursor across incremental intervals from tail to nose. Go nuts and plug in US Blanks width and length dimesions also.
Do the same with specs from other blank manufacturers.
Take a walk on the wild side …
I only pay attention to color pictures. Ifn it gots charts, graffs,numbers Im not interested. A cat O log without color pit churs aint not worth poop . Cat O logs gotta have color pit churs of cool neat stuff . My life is to im port tant to waste time thinkun !!
Ambrose…
Should I say........... Thank you??????
Now are you saying… I’m holding some form of emotional ransom over someones head ??
Every time I post here I look to the left… The post above just happens to be the 450th of mine…
I said to myself quite a few months ago that # 500 would be my last… (might make some quite happy, no doubt…") Damn!!! There go those talents again… ")
Come on brother… You gotta laugh… I truly don’t give a shit…
A highly respected shaper asked if you’all wanted to come to a seminar he was putting together this fall… There was barely a responce, barely a whimper… The usual suspects were as quiet as a mouse…Yet there’s loads of posts replying to this rhetoric…No offence G dog…
Coercive ! Ha ! Perhaps I’m that guilty conscious that we all try to hide…
kiterider,, If you leave at post 500 you would be missed. I have picked up all kinds of info from you. There has been more inovation from windsurfing and kite surfing than ever came from surfing. I haven't kited in over 2 years now because of a injury. I will be windsurfing again in a couple weeks and hope to easy back in to kite surfing again but will never be able to be a hard core kiter again. Take care my friend !!
Aloha Ambrose, That rocker chart was the tastiest one I have ever eaten. Yummy for the tummy. Aloha,Kokua AKA Wildog
.....the Top Secret Swaylock's Rocker Data Base Has Been Exposed!!!!! It's even in a catalog! And there's shapers comments! Dig a little deeper and you can find a Clark Foam catalog....with all the secret sauce and more shapers comments.....and companies like US Blanks and Segway Composites will do custom rockers to fit your needs......
The first day I was handed a Clark Foam catalog I was humbled at how little I know about shaping...that was in 2005. I read the catalog from cover to cover and then read it a few more times. I'm more informed now but still know very little.
Go for it....
Stingray
Hey Woody … Thanks man…
I’ve sincerly enjoyed following your woodworking skills applied to surfboards…
I’ve got your PM… That’s all I need…
It’s friggin’ weird how different and friendly people are to each other when you chat with them one on one, without all the chest beating that goes on here at the main forum… I’m guilty as charged, so I ain’t ducking the backlash…
Take care and ride a smaller kite and “carve”… That’s what makes my sorry old bones feel best…
Agreed Kokua,ambrose,your the rocket man!
great stuff huck and the kite,a positive and logical boost to this thread
haha Ogre,glossy photo and,video link works for me too,
and me Ray,but i’m gonna get there…
Build it and they will come
For Kiterider.....
I did some searching for GDog. It keeps bringing me back to this thread.
There is a guy that logs on as Gdog101. He makes some really nice wood stuff...maybe a little mix up with names...
The McKee fin placement comes up all the time. Most people I deal with don't want that type of quad...too much like a thruster.....I don't really know one way or the other...I'm just a backyarder....Trust me... I'm trying all kinds of stuff but my back hurts and I;m not getting any younger.......
Stingray
thanks bodhi,but couldn’t do it on my own…
just leave your best rocker numbers for me when I get back from my surf, later
nice one bro,can you generate a computer curve from these 5 measurements 126,38,26,62,a 6’0 by 18 1/4 squash, and 97,33,28,55 is a 6’0 20 fish,
the last measurement would be dead centre,
anything else would be dreaming…
prehaps i should explain…
if your interested in some interlectual stimulation,
and a quantifialbe system of measurement,with no ambiguity,
first,would you indulge me in one small way,
look at wouters K3 diagram in rocker apex pg16,
and tell me what u think…