…hey MD, Disney pool?
gutless waves but float and delivery on small…cool
-Sharkcountry
…“makes sense to put foam where you need it and thin out the areas where you want some flex”
to use words said by fellow boardbuilder J Dunlop
Hi Reverb, I’ve always liked a nice simple line along the deck. Never quite liked the S deck of the older boards. I figure that little bit of foam in the nose that you leave doesn’t hurt performance that much.
Having said that a few of my board ended up with a slight S curve, but it wasn’t planned.
I like the board in the photos, especially the bottom tail of your board. I’m sold on tucked under rails with just a little softening in the nose. I’m not that big a fan of flex, so I don’t make the tail that thin, but I do like a thin rail.
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Yeah, that's the ultimate test for mushballs lol. Here's another one-wave clip: http://www.flickr.com/photos/amyplumlee/4729114750/
This guy rides a 5'4'' as his all-rounder, I've got his 5'6'' step-up fish in process right now.
…you can go with more foam on the nose and flat deck (rail to rail) then tapered out to tail.
Those tails are thin due to the design concept not for the look
I do not put those extremelly thin tails on other platforms
By the way that pale yellow is not mine
was built for a customer
I ll post mine when I find some pictures
its even more different.
-what happened with the pictures?
-MD, the problem I have with Vimeo and now Flickr is the streaming…not real time…for me at least.
Someone told me to pause troublesome vids right after they start, let it go ahead and load all the way, then un-pause and hopefully it will play smoother.
You've got some really badass looking work on this thread, btw.
…yeah, I did that but did not worked
here s couple more
put more of yours
5´ 6´´, the fins, under stance area and rails there are speed finished, rest is gloss finished
It doesn’t get much nicer than that reverb,very nice board.
I need to shoot more pics, lol. This is all I got for now, and I cut the tip of the tail off in one. But you can still how we both got to the same place regarding rocker and foil.
Again, this stuff isn't for everyone.
This is my new one. 5’7 Griffin.
What reverb and I are doing is modernizing the foil and rocker and fins on an outline that is still similar to the Lis-style fish. Griffin's modfish is a different animal, but one that works very, very well. I know, I got to ride one once.
Griffin’s rails are nice and thin, but the tail is not thin. I think mine are over an inch thick maybe an inch and a half just a couple of inches in from the rail. They are not designed to be flexy.
Something special about the way his 5 fin boards combine all the different elements.
I’d love to ride a modern Lis and see where his path has taken him. My brother knows him, so maybe one day he’ll get one and I “borrow” it.
Have you guys had a chance to see Robin Mair’s quad hammer fins? Looks like your fin placement is similar to his, but the fins are really different. I have really enjoyed what those hammer fins have done to an older board I have. Robin said he adds rocker behind the fins to get the water out of there faster. Looks like Reverb’s board has a bit more rocker back there.
I saw some boards Joe Kuala (formerly of inter-island surfboards) had on Kauai years ago and he did something similar, but he added a lot of vee just behind the fins so the boards rails dropped off more than the center. Joe has since retired, but he was making boards way back in the 60s, so I figure he knows something about design.
This was another swaylockers' take on the little 5'4'', I had to dig around on the coil ride reports thread to find...
"I rode my buddy Casey's 5'4 fish you shaped for him - I believe there might even be a photo of it on sways somewhere.
Anyways - I was very impressed with the shape - VERY unconventional - my first though after looking at the board was "what is this thing?! no way this will have enough foam/glide for me"
Basically a skimboard with fins but with a camelhump of foam under the chest. But as soon as the tiniest wave came (it was tiny) it would glide right in and get up on a plane - very snappy feeling to it on turns - i guess that is due to the extremely thin tail/rails coupled with the coil construction - flex and response flexback.
It was very cool to see a guy out there doing this for a living shaping something so far out there - especially since IT WORKS!"
I’m sold on razor thin rails for fish. The bite rails give makes up for the looseness of being so wide. Surf design is about trade offs and balancing one tradeoff with another. My spring fish’s rails are so thin in the tail that they are almost like star fins. Complete different feel from retro fish, though it still draws those fish lines.
Riderofwaves- sounds good! How thin are we talking about? I’m into trying it out. Agreed on low hard/thin rails…I’m currently working @ snail pace on a personal mod-fish design I’m doin. My outline is short parallel and stubby, but I’m trying out a pulled in tail and hip/bump 15" up from the tail-with a slight pulled in tail… Crossing my fingers.
That said, I just saw a kid flying on a 5’4" x 22" wide fish on youtube whom put a concave(deepest in tail- going shallower up into the nose)… Tmalss- board seems to fly! He talks of concave and roll. I’m thinking he means a rolled rail to soften up the concave to help keep the rails from grabbing? Anyhow since I haven’t done any tail mods, or bottom mods yet-im thinking about it…
That said, I do like hard rails but maybe a concave can use a bit of roll to keep it funcional? Anyone.
But I’m with ya on the thin noses and tails man! But I have not seen them as thin as-reverbs or -MIke’s boards here. Good stuff!
I plan to try one thinner in nose and tail. But I prob won’t go as thin due to my weight- I’m 210…great looking boards though!
“Old school means real.”
I don’t think you could push PU this bladed out with out it being the easiest to snap thing ever, It feel like 1/2- 3/4" thick at the start of the crack.
…hello Sharkcountry,
that G Griffin looks like a modern rocket fish (MRF) not a MF.
Hows this one ?
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Special Feature
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Self standing
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Yo Greg. You got a little something different going on there with the swallow shape. Care to elaborate?
…hello man, no rolls under
If you are a normal skilled or advanced yes you can go ultra thin on the tail no matter your 210s
Shape a 5 10 x 22
Here s a shoot of that tail on a 5 10
Gr8 thread.
Really enjoying seeing Verb, MD’s hundredth monkey conincidental but simultaneous design conclusions.
I think some people are missing the significance of the foil including the S deck on these boards: think snow ski camber.
I really like seeing how different this approach is from the thick flat skatey fish that I ‘bad rapped’ in the SVM thread. To me that approach makes for a board that rides like a blob…very limted.
This approach looks lively, high brow,well thought out.
Quads make total sense to me in this application, but I’m having some difficulty grasping the significance of GG’s 5th fin and wonder if he can elaborate some on his approach.
Thanks to all for offering some heady stuff to ponder!