Today is Not my day!

So I just wanted to post to let everyone on swaylocks know that today is an unlucky day, for me at least. Board number 8 was done being shaped 2 days ago, its a 6’2 Modern Fish for my brother. It was extra important to me, as the first 7 have been for friends and such, but I haven’t seen my younger brother in almost a year because I am away at college, so I was really trying for perfection. It is my best shaping effort thus far, really exactly how I wanted it. I airbrushed it last night, and again, my best spray so far. Everything was going well. I put the futures in today, they came out perfect. So I was ready to glass. All of my boards are shaped, airbushed, glassed, and sanded by me. This one was no different. So I cut the 4 oz to lam the bottom, mixed up some resin with a little bit of white pigment so the board would stay a nice milky white. I set off the resin and started glassing. From the beginning it went wrong. I hadn’t noticed it right away, but the temp was dropping decently fast, it was probably 55-60 degrees. Glassing with windows open. The resin wasn’t spreading, and the cloth wasn’t wetting out great. I managed to wrestle it out, and finished the lam with no air bubbles or anything, but from having to work the cloth so much I got a bunch of loose fibers on the free lap. It was like my first board!! So I grab the scissors to trim, and the resin just sets. Out of no where. In about 30 seconds it gelled and set up hard enough where I couldn’t trim the loose fibers. Waited awhile, and set up for the deck. Set up a double 4 for the deck. Same deal with the resin, but we shut the windows as it had gotten cooler. Warmed the resin in a tub of hot water for about 1 minute, just to try and get it to flow better. Set it off way less hot than the previous batch to try and take my time. As soon as we poured the resin, the batched gelled. In about 3 minutes!! I made an executive decision to pull off the top layer of the double 4 on account of the laps were bone dry. Managed to wet out the underneath layer OK, but it it messy.

So here is my question(s):

What happened?? I have glassed 7 boards so far and this has me baffled.

Poly Resin from Surf Source, Ding All brand.

White Pigment from EZ Foam, says Dura technologies. About 1 drop in 20 oz of resin.

I catalyzed the resin at 1% the first time, about 3/4% the second time.

Room temp about 65 the first batch, 70 the second.

What gives?? I feel completely retarded, but I don’t get it. The first batch it was cool enough where the resin was too thick to flow well, but then it gelled and set up in record time. The second batch it was warm enough to flow, obviously too warm, but I didn’t set it off hot enough for a 3 minute gell time?? The water used to warm the resin was just tap water, and it was only in the tub for maybe 1-2 minutes. I was worried about overdoing it, which I obviously did. Help!!

I’m no expert and I am sure one will jump in soon, but man I am so sorry to hear that. Is the board damaged? I hope not!

i’ve never had anything like that happen, and i really can’t imagine what could’ve made it do that. i know the poly/epoxy debate could go on forever, but i thought i’d mention that i’m really happy with greg’s resin…and given your location it should be easy enough to get. because it doesn’t gel the way poly does (it gradually thickens over time until it sets), you can mix up some more in the middle of a lam if you need it. since i tried it, i honestly don’t think i’ll go back to using poly…i highly recommend giving it a whirl.

soulstice, thanks for your advice on RR. I have a 1.5 gallon set that I will try out on an EPS board that I recently finished shaping…as you mentioned, even though I have yet to use Greg’s stuff, from the way everyone talks about it, I have a feeling that I will be jumping on the all epoxy bandwagon soon enough!!

epoxy is the best stuff ever, and it wont stink up your garage which is a bonus. unless you like getting a little high

How long did you stir the resin?

Did you use a clean pot?

Are you sure about the specs?

I used to almost always glass in 50-60 degrees, nighttime SanFrancisco, Sunset District 45th Ave., had two hot batches ever in 120 boards.

50 degrees is fine for the resin, flows fine and with a little help from squeegee outwards, completely saturated first time.

This just a thought: Did your catalyst have the opportunity to evaporate? I’ve had the same problem a few times (but not as extreme), and I think it had something to do with the fact that sometimes when it’s hot outside, I leave the top of the catalyst bottle loose so the air pressure doesn’t push cat up into the top.

I’m asking anyone who may know: Can catalyst get more concentrated if it’s exposed to warm air? Can it evaporate? Doug

I’m no pro but I’ve been told that resin has a shelf life of about 6 months. How old is your resin?

I’ve solved most of my laminating problems by switching to UV catalyst.

Lots of good info in the archives about UV.

UV resin.

Idiot proof.

Well almost.

Drew

Just out curiosity, did you catalyze the resine before you put it in the warm water bath?

Just to answer a few questions…I didn’t set off the resin until after the warm water bath. The resin and mekp is less then 45 days old, and both were unopened until yesterday!! New bucket, new pigment, I mixed for about a minute…thoroughly, but not as if it was epoxy. I am positive on my specs, I always triple check my measurements. I am about to try and do some damage control, lam one more 4 oz over top, and then let it dry and hot coat. Hopefully it is savable!! ANy advice??

this is very odd. i would think that the cold would slow the gelling/hardening time. isnt that how it works? did you add a mad amount of catalyst to counter the cold and mix too long or what? even on cold days my year old resin doesnt have any problem coming out of the can. i think this is a poor resin quality problem. eh?

 Howzit sbvfive, You say the resin was only 45 days old but what about how long it was on the sellers shelf before you bought it? The last batch of finish resin I bought had to have been on the shelf for a long time because it was bad when I opened it. Another thing is how hot did you make the resin since you may have heated to the point where it could have made the styrene start to evaporate which would shorten the pot life. One thing I see some newbe glassers do is they don't force the resin into the glass by angling your squeegee. If you've ever worked with S-glass you would know what I'm talking about. Aloha,Kokua

hello guys, i just finished the lam…RIP board! I am pretty sure that the resin was bad, because it happened again. Here is a better description. I pour the resin into my bucket…looks normal. I add a little pigment…normal. I catalyze it…still normal. I dump 3/4 onto the board and start spreading…still normal. It has been about 30 seconds to 1 minute since I set the resin off. This is where it gets interesting…at about the 2 minute mark, the flow of resin stops. Just like that, it stops flowing outward, and stops wetting out the fabric. It will move, but only if forced. It looks like it has gelled at this point, but it really hasn’t. Fast Forward about 3 more minutes, and the resin is 10 times worse. It looks like jello now, only it is angry jello that hates me. At about the 10 minute mark it actually goes off, even though it was only catalyzed at less then 3/4 %. Just for background, I am a pretty quick worker and had my roomate, who is also quick, helping…and I usually set my batches of at 1.5%. Bad resin??? Or am I just retarded?

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It looks like jello now, only it is angry jello that hates me.

at least you’ve got a good sense of humor. is there any way to save the board?..maybe grind it all the way down to the airbrush and do everything over from there?!? i’m sorry, man…that really sucks.

Hey bro, check the label. Are you sure it says ‘resin’ and not ‘napalm’? :slight_smile:

Sorry to hear about the bad luck. Time to switch to epoxy…

I think I am gonna grind it down as much as I can to get it smooth, then hotcoat it with white pigment and go completely opaque. Hopefully it will cover well enough, and I will airbrush again on top of the hotcoat. Is this feasible?? Then I will gloss over top of that, since I was looking to do a gloss and polish for him anyway, as that is what he requested.

Benny, I wish it was napalm. That would save me the trouble of trying to fix it.