I’d like to call on all the (short) twin keel fish surfers here at swaylocks to give me a little insight in to there experiences with various types of cant and toe effect on both single foiled or double foiled keel fins (8x5 and its variations).
Im really looking for a few folk that have been lucky enough to have surfed a few of these little wonders so that a truer comparison can be made.
My main reason for asking is id like to find out the effect of cant and toe on double foiled fish keels ( my main query) and also if anyone has actually set a pair of single foiled keels on a fish that had no toe or can.
I have two fish more or less the same one has toed and canted double foiled fins and one with double foiled and no cant or toe …the later of these two ive been told should be faster but stiffer… but this is not my experience, the fish with cant and toe seems faster but stiffer and the Parrallel fins seem slower but will release out of the top.
A real head scratcher for me … are my fin set ups breaking some age old golden rule?
Sounds like the straight ones are doing some kind of spinning out off the top, but you may be coontrolling it. I’ve ridden both, and will probably never ride straight up no cant, no angle fins again. The canted toed in fins feel waaaayyyyy better to me. Hold off the bottom and make plenty of speed. The turbo or curved version I recently switched to are even faster and turn insane.
Thanks for the reply LokBox I actually have a pair of those fins but in the glass on (Al Merrick) versions that im thinking about putting on a board …or …using those very fins in your picture with the lokbox. I know the lokbox are fixed with no cant and the cant is pre set into the fin . I was considering using the set up pictured then foiling a doubled foiled set for the lock box afterwards but that just leaves the quetion of how much toe to put in.
In respect to the single foiled i would think they need at least an 8th of an inch over their lenght.
Do you have any idea say Al is doing with the measurements on his CI-Fish? .
I also saw those speed quad things you had they looked good are they a production set Or where they a one off?
Hi lee777, not sure what you mean by an 1/8th over the length. 1/8th taller than the base length?
The CI fish fins are 5 and 1/4 tall, and 6 and 3/4 base, and set 7 inches from point of swallow. 1 inch from the rail with each fin toed in 1/4 inch. Angle is 6 degrees. Most of the cant is in the fins, but the box is also adjustable upon installation by at least a couple degrees. The fin pictured above is the CI template just with Lokbox logos instead of the Al Merrick logos. The Toby(Rich Pavel) turbo quad set is available but not stocked, so they must be ordered. Thanks
