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Compress surfboard’s skin doesn’t break by compressive stress but by buckling.

Extract from buckling definition from wiki:

At a certain stage under an increasing load, further load is able to be
sustained in one of two states of equilibrium: an undeformed state or a
laterally-deformed state,
buckling is caused by a bifurcation in the solution to the equations of static equilibrium… In practice, buckling is characterized by a sudden failure of a structural member subjected to high compressive stress,
where the actual compressive stress at the point of failure is less
than the ultimate compressive stresses that the material is capable of
withstanding… This mode of failure is also described as failure due to elastic instability.”

In Surfboards thin skin that experiment compressive forces buckle when foam can’t keep it stable anymore.

Fiberglass have a better compressive strengh/weight than aramid fiber but aramid fiber have better buckling strengh/weight. Aramid is better for deck than glass too. But aramid have bad adhesion with resin and UV and humidity sensibility so it’s hard to use properly.

Increasing thickness of skins is a better way to increase buckling strengh and it’s reduce foot prints effectively too. An “harder” foam blank is effective too for both.

Sorry for my franglish

 

I thought we were discussing a fabric(if it can be called that) or skin that is applied to the “core”.

 that is true but what is often forgotten eg the Core is by and large of the most critical for durability and strength in surfboards…

No doubt.  One of the reasons I’ve preferred shaping Ozzie formula Polyurethane the last several years.

I will investigate this material on several boards and have my students try them out.  Using this material on the bottom of the board seems to make sense but students want it on the deck for looks.  I will try it on the bottom, deck, and then both on the bottom and deck.  We will try to find the breaking point as well.  I am going to cover it with 2 oz E glass and see how this works.  The opposite side will be done in 4 oz S glass for the first batch.  We will use epoxy for this batch of 3 boards and then try polyester resin for the next batch.  Our goal is to make light-weight, strong boards with the right amount of flex for competitive surfing.  Will let you know how it turns out.

      Just got done reinforcing an already glassed (buckled after one session) Tomo Vanguard. rider was on kite, loved the board so much, he wanted to make sure it would last ( he requested one year of wear and tear). I used vector net and 4 oz s glass vac bagged on. 

   in my experience ghettorat was right on in his assesment. The kevlar wicked the resin into it, and left air pockets between the board and the 4 oz S. I adjusted by bagging the vector net alone and laminating the s glass after. 

   Working from center out ( w/ squeegee) was the only way to wet out the vector net on the board without fiberglass over it. it would definetly splinter at the cut ends if you worked against the grain. I learned as much as would be needed to match grain patterns after one thought out session with the fabric, so fairly easy to work with overall, but the extra step needed may not be worth it. 

   Sharp scissors were required.

  I do think it will work to reinforce the overall strength/ resistance to further buckling of the Tomo Vanguard.

 


Looks good Pico.

Hank gave me some to play with too.

I opted to tape off rails and inlay it like normal.

Cut, then glassed 4oz. over top.

Came out kinda bumpy where Kevlar crossed over itself.

He also gave me some Nylon net which I used as tail patch.

Bottom layer on deck was his "Crush Cloth.

Overall very strong. Little extra weight. I think it was from cheater coat on bottom.

Waiting for customer to report back.

Barry


Hello Jamie,

    I’m starting my first board and I’m curious how your board came out on this thread with the Vectornet? Did it lay down as easy as Glass Cloth? Any special resins or aditives needed? Also, how did your experiment go putting it on the top vs. the bottom? I can’t see the pics. 

Thanks,

Greg

Funny this thread is 3 years old, but I actually used up that original roll on my most recent board! Did it on the bottom since I found this very open weave version of Vector Net 226 did little to prevent deck dents, but seems to add a little life/spring when used on the bottom. Since this thread came out, I switched to the much tighter weave Vector Net 138 to use for deck tail patches, and it does add some durability IF you make sure you wrap it around the rail to get the 3D effect.

Honestly, I don’t know if the Vector Net 226 (original large opening stuff discussed in this thread) does anything revolutionary, but if you have the luxury of messing around with it it certainly doesn’t hurt. That said, Greg if this is your first board, I wouldn’t bother. You have plenty of other things to worry about :).


Aloha Greg,

Did you follow the whole tread?

Just asking as there is good knowledge there.

However dated.

I have worked with “Vector net” enought.

The first was the XP226 or 1" grid

Now we have XP227 1/2" grid

Also have used the XP Techno (white)

Thumbs down on the XP Techno.

PM me if you like…

Photo’s

Yeah,

I got a lot of photo’s!

 







HA!

Just posed the prior

Hey you pass Greg.

Sick work!

BTW tried the 138 on decks 

And you can get crazy with angles!


I’ve had Stamps do this on my two most recent boards

I’ve done a quick cursory Google search, and is there any color other than black for the Vector Net, like clear or white?  I really like the extra toughness it gives my decks, but I want to get some 80s airbrushing on the next board and I don’t know how all of it will jive together

white

https://www.instagram.com/p/-i0ew4kBkj/?taken-by=shapersmanufacturersco 

@ I fall a lot 

I saw some colored vector on a Aussie’s Instagram .red,blue,etc.

UPDATE ; not sure if same as vector net but looks like it to me

 

 

 

 

Eh, Thanks Tom!

Cool link.

The colored stuff is only 17" wide.

I’m Ventura CA, I have seen that product and it was proprietary (been awhile, now)

It is thinner than what is  available local i.e. Vector net 

Both the 226. and 227 are black and they  glasses pretty EZ…

The “Integra” white, well for me a little more hard work as the strands sick up more…

Thanks again Mr. T- T!!!

Gonna seek that stuff out…