Other than the logo at the fin base, is there any difference between the Velzy Classic and the Wingnut Sweep? There’s seems to be slightly more base area on the Wingnut, but that’s all I can tell from the jpegs on the sites. If anyone’s used these, I’d like to hear your comments, compare/contrast, etc…Thanks! http://www.rainbowfins.com … http://www.trueames.com
Other than the logo at the fin base, is there any difference between the > Velzy Classic and the Wingnut Sweep? There’s seems to be slightly more > base area on the Wingnut, but that’s all I can tell from the jpegs on the > sites. If anyone’s used these, I’d like to hear your comments, > compare/contrast, etc…Thanks! http://www.rainbowfins.com … > http://www.trueames.com Only a very good surfer would be able to tell the difference between the two fins. The Velzy may release slightly better rail to rail and hold in nose riding better as it has more tip profile and slighly smaller base. I think you’d fin the wingnut sweep slightly stiffer. As far as speed is concerned it would be very hard to separate them. Personally I think the Velzy is a superior template. The next step in speed is the Liddle flex fin. I prefer a stiff version of it. It simply won’t do for nose riding by is undoubtable one of the fastest fins in the water. Mahalo, Rich
I used a Wingnut for about a year…It was too stiff from the start, so I re-foiled it so it had a smooth flex…It was nice and twangy…It did suffer from stess cracks in the glass after about a year…It was a good fin… http://www.hollowsurfboards.com/
Only a very good surfer would be able to tell the difference between the > two fins. The Velzy may release slightly better rail to rail and hold in > nose riding better as it has more tip profile and slighly smaller base. I > think you’d fin the wingnut sweep slightly stiffer. As far as speed is > concerned it would be very hard to separate them. Personally I think the > Velzy is a superior template. The next step in speed is the Liddle flex > fin. I prefer a stiff version of it. It simply won’t do for nose riding by > is undoubtable one of the fastest fins in the water.>>> Mahalo, Rich Rich, I’ve been pretty impressed with the Harbour HP-1 fin. I guess it’s in the category of a flex-sweep style fin. It seems to generate a burst of acceleration out of turns, is stable on the nose, and is difficult to spin out. If you are familar with it, I would be interested in your analysis of it compared to the above fins. To see a pic of it go to the link below and scroll down to the HP1 and then click/enlarge on the image of the board. TS http://harboursurfboards.com/surfboards.html
Rich,>>> I’ve been pretty impressed with the Harbour HP-1 fin. I guess it’s in the > category of a flex-sweep style fin. It seems to generate a burst of > acceleration out of turns, is stable on the nose, and is difficult to spin > out. If you are familar with it, I would be interested in your analysis of > it compared to the above fins.>>> To see a pic of it go to the link below and scroll down to the HP1 and > then click/enlarge on the image of the board.>>> TS TS, IMHO, Fins with high exaggerated lines like the HP-1 have a very distinctive feel and are intended to perform in a very condition specific way. The fin you refer to will give you some paddle effect from the twang in the flexible, extended, raked tip. This tip will also serve quite well in holding the tail in while nose riding. The narrow cutaway base will allow for a fairly loose feel at slow speeds which is fine when the conditions dictate this kind of performance. It could be surfed with tiny rail fins but it’s really primarly for a single set up. What the fin lacks is enough profile to really give much drive and holding power in a steep wall. For most fun type long board surfing this fin and a wingnut cutaway are excellent choices. I’m not big time when it comes to being on the map as far as fin designs is concerned, but I have a template that I call “whiteside” that I think is an excellent all around longboard fin and I’m willing to put it up agains anything in the water but I don’t have wingnut to tell me that it’s so. Next time I see him I’ll ask if he’ll try one of my fins. Who knows when that’ll be. As a result my trials are at the most elementary stages. Mahalo, Rich
I use a 9’6 HP fin on my Harbour simms sometimes…it is a fun fin…feels loose cuz of the flex, but doesnt slide out like normal flex fins on hard bottom turns. It holds very well when you move to the nose, and also turns very sharp as well…best of both worlds I guess. It has stress cracks in the glass in the mid section from my real hard turns that I do. I have a 9" 9.5" and sold my 10" to “70’s sano surfer” from the longboard message board. I havnt tried the revised template that doesnt flex as much, but has more volume. I dont know If I would like it as much. I was told by Robert at the Harbour shop that the old and new templates are both available. I am getting sick of RFC fins and Fibre Glass fin co…True Ames makes much better fins…and Chuck Ames is a real nice guy also.
Sling, Can you recommend a good source to order True Ames from? Online or over the phone. Thanks.>>> I use a 9’6 HP fin on my Harbour simms sometimes…it is a fun > fin…feels loose cuz of the flex, but doesnt slide out like normal flex > fins on hard bottom turns. It holds very well when you move to the nose, > and also turns very sharp as well…best of both worlds I guess. It has > stress cracks in the glass in the mid section from my real hard turns that > I do. I have a 9" 9.5" and sold my 10" to “70’s sano > surfer” from the longboard message board. I havnt tried the revised > template that doesnt flex as much, but has more volume. I dont know If I > would like it as much. I was told by Robert at the Harbour shop that the > old and new templates are both available. I am getting sick of RFC fins > and Fibre Glass fin co…True Ames makes much better fins…and Chuck Ames > is a real nice guy also.
Rich, Of all the fins on the market, which would be a good choice for steep wave applications while maintaining a good amount of drive and enough tip to trim comfortably close to the nose? Something for a 10’ x 18 x 23 x 15 x 3.25.>>> TS,>>> IMHO, Fins with high exaggerated lines like the HP-1 have a very > distinctive feel and are intended to perform in a very condition specific > way. The fin you refer to will give you some paddle effect from the twang > in the flexible, extended, raked tip. This tip will also serve quite well > in holding the tail in while nose riding. The narrow cutaway base will > allow for a fairly loose feel at slow speeds which is fine when the > conditions dictate this kind of performance. It could be surfed with tiny > rail fins but it’s really primarly for a single set up. What the fin lacks > is enough profile to really give much drive and holding power in a steep > wall. For most fun type long board surfing this fin and a wingnut cutaway > are excellent choices. I’m not big time when it comes to being on the map > as far as fin designs is concerned, but I have a template that I call > “whiteside” that I think is an excellent all around longboard > fin and I’m willing to put it up agains anything in the water but I don’t > have wingnut to tell me that it’s so. Next time I see him I’ll ask if > he’ll try one of my fins. Who knows when that’ll be. As a result my trials > are at the most elementary stages.>>> Mahalo, Rich
Rich, Of all the fins on the market, which would be a good choice for > steep wave applications while maintaining a good amount of drive and > enough tip to trim comfortably close to the nose? Something for a 10’ x 18 > x 23 x 15 x 3.25. Gregg. @ 9.5" This one will work fine – http://www.trueames.com/californiaclassic.htm @ 9.25" This one too but It’ll slow you down – http://www.trueames.com/noserider.htm But watch for an email attachment. “White Side” 9.5" I have to take a photo of the template. I think this one will be better, faster and not so stiff when you setting up your line to attack the wave and still give all the drive and nose riding stability you’ll ever need. Mahalo, Rich
Rich - while we’re on the subject, would you recommend the same Cali Classic for my new summer cruiser, a 10’2" 19x24x16 3.25, 50/50 rails and fairly flat nose and alot of tail rocker (basically a reveresed rocker blank)? Would you suggest 9.5" or larger?
Rich - while we’re on the subject, would you recommend the same Cali > Classic for my new summer cruiser, a 10’2" 19x24x16 3.25, 50/50 rails > and fairly flat nose and alot of tail rocker (basically a reveresed rocker > blank)? Would you suggest 9.5" or larger? I think you find that on big days that this fin will probably be fine. In small day’s a 9.5" Velzy classic or a 9.5" wingnut cutaway will be better. I have several longboards On my ASD 10’0"x23.125" with a 15" tail I surf a 9’0" wingnut cutaway most of the time, but I only surf it in small wave. I prefer an 8’8" or an 8’3" with it gets big. or really steep. Mahalo, Rich
Thanks Rich - this barge is my first attempt at shaping and is intended for small days at PP or if the family’s out Cowells or Capitola when it’s working. I have a 9.5" Wingnut Cutaway so that’s easy. Thanks again.
Sling, Can you recommend a good source to order True Ames from? Online or > over the phone. Thanks. OMG!!! MR GLASS ON WANTS TO BUY SOME BOLT-ONS!!! HAHAHA! You can get true ames fins online from surfingsports.com
Ha! Yeah, it’s true, I actually have some boards with a box. Fyi, those fins come as glass ons also…[wink]>>> OMG!!! MR GLASS ON WANTS TO BUY SOME BOLT-ONS!!! HAHAHA! You can get true > ames fins online from surfingsports.com
Do you know how the Velzy compares in flex? On your Wingnut, about how many glass layers did you have to sand out? From base to tip?>>> I used a Wingnut for about a year…It was too stiff from the start, so I > re-foiled it so it had a smooth flex…It was nice and twangy…It did > suffer from stess cracks in the glass after about a year…It was a good > fin…