“You’ve got blue shift and red shift reversed.”
Yep, you got me!
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Tom/Roy i hear what you are saying . but also relate to the fact that if you are moving 2x as fast as other people in the water it should be really easy for you to get a video of you passing a Normal surfer on a thruster type board who is pumping down the line on a steep wall like he is standing still.
Unfortunately hardly anyone is game to drop in on me so that’s not a practical possibility
We are also talking about going twice as fast in terms of peak speeds. . . i.e during a fast section. . . . this does not mean that I go twice as fast as all other boards at all times. . . . in fact a lot of the sections I get high speeds on are not even accessible to the other riders because they don’t get that far down the line ! . . . (if they can’t even ride the section then I can’t pass them can I ? Lol )
All these eyeball methods were bagged by the Swaylocks crew as hopelessly inaccurate years ago, which is why we use gps
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I asked for you to post a picture because honestly i think you are just trolling and dont even own a gps with an aquapak.
but i want to believe
Soul
Tut tut, calling me a liar again. . . I have pictures involving gps units but I’m not going to post one in response to your insult.
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Hi MTB,
Regarding Kerry Black ( a non surfer btw) and co, I am an opponent of their artificial reef programme at Tay St Mount Maunganui (my local break). The break is basically a failure, in spite of propaganda from the builders, it is incredibly inconsistent and has destroyed the very good beachbreak which was there prior.
During the last swell, although there were hundreds of surfers up and down the Mount Maunganui coast, the reef was empty every time I checked it, and with good reason. . . it wasn’t breaking.
According to Kerry Black, the reef was placed on an area of coastline which did not produce rideable waves, of course everyone at the Mount knew that this was nonsense, but we were told that the reef would provide much greater consistency. … . in fact the reverse is the case, a consitent and well loved break has been destroyed and the replacement is a white elephant of a break which almost never works. The reef was supposed to work when the swell was big enough to ‘max out’ the beachbreak, but due to oversight from the designers it was built to far inshore in shallow water, so that when it gets over 6 feet the surf breaks 100 metres or more outside. When the surf is small it doesn’t break either, in fact I haven’t seen it work yet, although it must do so occasionally.
None of the crew ever seem to mention the reef when the swell is up, it’s just not part of the discussion, the Tay st area might as well have had a marina built on it. . . . it has effectively been turned into a wave desert at a cost of over a million dollars.
Interesting stuff regarding the angle of the surfing path.
I am quite sure that the angle of my path at top speed is around 20 degrees, certainly it is much less than 33 degrees. . . that’s almost heading straight to the beach !
Regarding the the time and position time-series data versus the doppler based speeds, as you know the Gecko units record both the time and position track data and the doppler based ‘max speed’ simultaneously. . . . we have found that these always agree within 0.6 mph, so it seems that the time and position data is accurate enough for present purposes.
Thanks for the info on the Velocitek S10, it’s on our wish list !
Regards,
Roy
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MTB,
Very well put, Dr Black’s research is great. Not to hijack the thread, but any news on the next/newest iteration of the HYPO?
JSS
Doctor Black is a non surfing spin Doctor who has just wrecked my favourite break. … . . the reef is such a failure that they have even taken down their beautifully produced signs at the beach which previously extoled the virtues of the project.
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i think that post has made the most sense to me of all(thanks for that), trying to interperate and double check with calculations seems to confuse the matter(to me anyhow).one thing that runs through my head is that if a boogyboard can hit a peak 31mph as shown on here, then surely a shortboarder must be able to come close if not go faster.Every time i have been surfing the boogers did not appear to be blazing away from surfers at furious rates(only my own opinion though), so id love to see a whole string of short board speed readings(not sure how many ppl are into this but surely this would be the place to post results).If
a short board can hit around the 30 mark, then roys speeds would not be double what can be done as ppl are claiming, but only a matter of a few mph.Also for the comparison of roy to a jet ski, roy has stated that he is talking about a peak speed, and that he
goes slow alot of the time…to me it seems that is an attempt to undermine his claims by comparing them to something that is totally irrelevant.My self i have no reason not to believe roy, but i do know that if i didnt believe him to the point that i was basically calling him a liar( “to keep him honest”), i would be buying a gps and taking my fastest board out to see what i could clock up(maybe all this has been done, i dont know as am fairly new to the subject.apologies if that is the case).This would give me some idea of whats possible before making any comments( thats just me though).I am more of a hands on person and while i believe proving things mathematically definately has merits, I think in situations such as this the proof is in the doing.
cheers
James
tom/roy please reply to my post…
roy, i have suggestion.
how about you post your data sets. let all those naysayers and wizards calculate to thier hearts content.
one thing i want to clarify is that you are claiming a PEAK speed not an average on one wave? is this correct?
then we need someone to post a shortboard ride and see the PEAK speed they attain in a ride (i would especially like to see the speed reached by the time the bottom turn is initiated).
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Hi Dave,
Lately we have been using the Doppler ‘max speed’ function, and haven’t downloaded tracks, just because of convenience, and the fact that I have a new computer and hadn’t gotten around to getting GPS trackmaker on to it.
We will try and get a track sorted next time, possibly on Sunday, it’s a bit of a mission, but good fun.
Yes we are talking about a peak speed, that’s what Soul and Co. are doing, and as far as I know that’s what all the other guys are doing too
Cheers
Roy.
He cant post a data set for something he dosent own i asked him to post pictures of his set up he has refused . to me now he is a straight up troll.
Tom/Roy post that picture and ill change my oppinion. you knew we were all sceptics one simple picture and you just cant come up with it hmmmmm.
Roy watch your own video and you will see a guy on a longboard who chases you down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pic4pdHj0LM
note his angle is less then yours.
there have been lists posted on this before roys numbers are way off compared to surfers the boogies nabbed a faster speed because the waves are just fast at the wedge most boogies are despretly trying to stall to not outrun the peak off the speed of the drop.
Roy is claiming huge and offering NO proof !
quite the opposite everything you watch of him looks slow
Soul
ps Roy your the only person who has ever in my life called me a hypocrite another area you fall outside the norm congrats man 
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He cant post a data set for something he dosent own i asked him to post pictures of his set up he has refused . to me now he is a straight up troll.
There you go calling me a liar again, really Soul, you should readjust your settings.
I could post a picture of my 2 GPS units but I’m not going to run around proving that I own them to someone as consistently rude as yourself.
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Roy watch your own video and you will see a guy on a longboard who chases you down
You are mistaken, I was stalling in order to let him catch up.
You will recall that I have not been claiming to surf at top speed at all times
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there have been lists posted on this before roys numbers are way off compared to surfers
Correction: I am going faster than other surfers. .
LOL Roy you always have an answer oh i was stalling oh that guy is a kook who built those reefs
i cant post a replie to prove im not trolling god forbid your insulting me
etc etc
its funny you marked power of roy as one of your favorites you cant even tell when people are making fun of you dude !
Just to ease your suffering a bit and to help you to correspond a little more closely to reality:
As for people making fun of me I don’t mind at all. . . .
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For your collection . . . free of charge !!
I freakin’ love this thread.
Funny…2 years or so ago - when the last “fastest” argument took place it really rubbed me wrong. But now, I think I get it. Vintage Roy and everyone else too. The great thing is…nobody is 100% sure. Roy may indeed have unlocked the secrets of the ancients & their olos. And until someone’s willing to suck up his pride and build one, nobody will know for sure.
The world is a vast and curious place. I am so glad I live here.
BTW, Roy, I downloaded your photo. I won’t post it on the internet - its for my personal collection of surfers & shapers. Thanks
Hi Benny,
Nice to see you to see you nice etc
Being the thorough and pedantic person that I am, I have to point out that in addition to sucking up pride and building a fantabulous Power speed board, it is also necessary to learn how to ride one. . . . . if they are noseridden they are the slowest boards on Planet Earth, and quite possibly on some of the other planets as well.
Cheers
Thanks Roy, sorry i doubted you about owning a geko just became really sceptical after some of your claims of speed using video refrence points which did not line up for me
the bird makes the photo extra classic
wish you could have posted the aquapak in the photo
Is it just that you dont have any video at all of you surfing at speed ?
or any of you surfing with a gps ?
I have watched almost every video on your web page
cyclone V has some places where you are kind of going but nothing full on
what i will say and it stands out the more i watch your videos. your boards
get alot more out of the conditions around you then most of the other surfers i have ever seen
time after time i see you rideing along happily on unbroken swells past guys who for the most part are just doing alot of paddeling its hard to see the speed when you are always out at the end of the glide so to speak.
you definetly have taken some part of the surfing experience to a whole nother level.
being totaly honest here i just call it like i see it.
show me some speed vids along with reading if possible for each individual wave. I may have to get a 2nd aquapak with a small wakie talkie set to do the same but it should be worth it. just say the speed after each wave and your vid guy can say the speed into the camera after every wave to match later. i know thats alot to ask but as the current claimed world record speed holder it would help to get some extra good documentation of your efforts.
Soul
Hi Soul,
Would you like a picture of the 4 ziplock plastic bags (Heath Robinson’s Aquapack) which we are using or will you take that one on faith lol
Any excuse to post more pics of my wondrous mug so lookout
I’m hanging for swell so that we can send you the goodies maybe a small one Sunday, the darn video battery is on its last gasp so we only get like 2 rides before it shuts down, have to grab a new one, hopefully a track or 2 anyway.
Amazing how many gizmos it takes to go surfing these days !
That’s a great photo! Classic. This is a fun thread. Not vintage Roy. Better than vintage Roy. Welcome back, Roy. All the way back. Mike
You know…I’m getting damn tempted to build one of these things myself.
Rooster…you got any extra balsa or paulonia lying around? Maybe I can take up a Norcal collection…
Roy do you just stuff it under your wetsuit?
if so the reading after each wave probably wont work so well
to me the element of feedback is pretty important on these things i have seen some odd speeds
show up during sessions made fast tubes to see 14 mph recorded or had a relitively slow wave record way outside the norm, high after the ride . i have seen tracks with gaps in them where none should be other people reporting peak speeds showing up at over 500 mph etc etc.
when we did the gps runs at wedge for that video 1 rider had it stuffed into a backpak he was wearing
the other wore it on his arm . it worked in the backpack but its nice to give a look after every ride and have it
give you feedback.
would be great to get garmin to sponser some gps units for a contest series or
could make the entry for the series be a garmin unit and an aquapak along with a small
fee for each contest until sponsers get involved.
open to any craft shortboard, paipo ,boogie, mat, longboard, Roy spaceships whatever
Soul
Hi Benny,
No I don’t,but I’ve been thinking about a wood board. I’ve even thought of growing Paulonia because it sounds like an interesting plant and I like to grow things. I don’t think I would attempt Roy’s methods, but more of a chambered fish deal. I wouldn’t want to drag something that heavy around. I’m too lazy.
Roy, I am interested in one of your fins. I’ll check your website and get back to you. I love to go fast. Mike