oh wait. if this thread cracks you up, check this out : http://www.arabiahorizons.com/Ski-Dubai/
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From what Jamie is saying, it’s not fantasy – they pulled it off, but because of issues with their floor, ran out of money before they could get the business running.
The ring implementation supposedly needs 10, not 100, and we don’t know it’s not possible. We know that Jamie’s colleagues have serious concerns, but maybe Slater’s group have addressed those concerns with some new tweak.
if you check out the site you’ll see that webber’s wave pool company had 2 reps (out of 5 globally) working Dubai/UAE.
these are the only people with enough gall (and cheap energy available) to contemplate something like this.
although, I seem to remember an indoor ski park in Milton Keynes outside of london (read: BFE UK).
Howzit billy, I don't really care how big it is but I sure don't care for the wall and you better be able to get out before you hit it. Would love to have one of them here in Havasu,would make my day for sure. Aloha,Kokua
just my opinion i think wave pools are pretty dumb and this new one looks like a rubbish wave.
Kinda related. A work colleague and his wife have a "special" friend. She has silicon implants, his wife doesnt. I remember him telling me that while they look a million dollars, in reality, he didn't like the way they felt, and much prefers his wife's "real" boobs.
Sorry if i offend anyone.
I was always favoring a multi-section standing wave solution which would be versatile and could even be changed/programmed during a run.
I wrot my masters thesis about artificial surfing pools/waves.
Thats the first time I stop by in that forum for over 3 years (have been posting about artificial waves some 6 years back here.) Maybe that is all gone already due to forum changes?)
Who knows more about Slaters wave pool idea?
Now the website went online and I am very interested in building one of these!
A wave is better than no wave…living inland is not always fun.
nice shape waves...what do they do..pump a whole lot of water into a tower at one end and then drop it to make the pulse ?
I took a good look at the website today. They appear to be towing some sort of form underwater to make the swell.
The site also confirmed many of my suspicions:
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No dampening solution. No video evidence or even discussion of the interval between waves. Videos showed drastic reflections/currents following the wave. Worse than I imagined.
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This actually took up much more space then I thought it needed. Their minimum pool/lake size is actually pretty big. Their recommended size is huge. It took a more than half the length of the pool for the swell to get steep enough to catch and break.
Nonetheless. Impressive effort. The guys behind it seem to have good heads and good intentions. Who knows how it will end up?
i like Webbers one where the wave is created by moving an object around the pool.
I remember at school we used to study waves in a tray, there was a stick that went up and down at one end ( Dark Blue line)and the waves travelled along the tray.
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Taking in the angle of a travelling surfer as he rides along a wave...
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It looks easier to just make a long pool instead of a huge lake. They recommend 300 metres X 100 metres, I think you could do a diagonal one thats only 6 metres wide.
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[IMG]http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s225/SURFFOILS/SURFFOILS%202011/Wave5.jpg[/IMG]
Smaller and simpler. Or too simple ?
700 kwh *0.2€ =140€h (estimated kwh cost in europe)
140€/30 surfers hour= 4.6€ each surfer per hour
(a 1.6 metre wave produces a 30 second tube over a length of 250 metres). so 120 waves each hour so 4 waves per surfer(I’m pretty sure no one would like to share a tube) and I would like to see a video with 2 250 meter waves in a minute.
I would like to know how does it cost 1 hour ticket.15€?..20€? so 5 € each wave for a total of 2 minutes riding every 20 €h?
8 hours a day with an avereage of 15 surfers h… 120 surfer day*20€=2400€ day
Is it possible to have an example of business plan?
Only to have better idea…
I have done the calculation too.
How about a wave breaking on both sides of the pool? double the length and you get 8min/h
I guess the bussines plan is compareable to pumped white water where even more energy is needed.
OTOH, let it be sposored by companies and cities. They build roads, why not wavepools…
Surffoils is barking up the right tree when it comes to economizing the footprint.
But there are SO MANY MORE variables to solve in this equation, both technical, operational, and economical.
By the way, the Wave-Garden patent application (publicly available) looks strikingly similar to Tom Lochtefeld’s “moving reef” patent. I think they will have a tough time getting significant patent protection, if any.
I was thinking that the wave could be made bigger by having 2 sources so that the waves come together to cause a wedge effect.
Use a winch system (like wake boarders use in pools) to tow surfers onto waves to increase riding time.
Instead of the wave breaking down one side of the lake/pool have a peak in the middle so 2 rideable waves break from one swell.
Install lights so you can surf at night.
now back to searching for a cheap bit of land big enough for one of these suckers :)
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I love those fakes…
have done my fair share myselfe…
gotto love Photoshop…
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=139858932742989&aid=28544
Hmmm…
What ever happened to the one from the early 80’s where they were going to release pulses from a damm, and have multiple waves in the “pool” at the bottom of the damm. Seemed like a good idea.
Growing up on Pueget Sound in Washington State, and knowing a little bit about surfing, then surfing in Oregon and going back to visit… So many perfect cobble stone points - so lacking waves…
I’ve to visions: One - a wave generating vessle one could pull up to a point and make waves into the wind… Two - a submersable reef vessle… An old sub you could run up on the closed out beach on the perfect condition days, save the lack of sand bars.
Driving over the mountains one summer I saw a snow plough (plow) blade parked up in a yard and started thinking, as you do, that POSSIBLY, having the correctly designed blade, legal access to a farmer's pond/small private lake, tracks set at the correct depth to allow the blade to push water and create a wave, using winches and cables, MIGHT see a rideable wave produced. my imagination extended to having double sets of blades then the wave could be generated on the return journey. No need for expensive hydraulics and pumps. I know that in OZ, wave board and water skiers have overhead rope tows that haul them around lakes/ponds. If I could draw a picture online I would.
Regards,
MrT, (not the one getting the new board).
I think Disney should do it.
Also, I was thinking they should have made some kind of surfing roller coaster in that big lake at California Adventure, instead they did that overblown (literally) fountain. How can you have a theme park called California Adventure and not have surfing?
I think you have the contacts Afoaf. You should start ideating a surf roller coaster.
Actually it would make sense to combine the wave-garden with a power plant.
I figure there will not be any slope or river nearby so no hydro (i it was I would have used it in the first place for a river wave).
We need wind or pv. Pv is no option unless you can have some thinfilm covered roofing.
So only wind is viable. Lets say we got a new technology to produce our own power for under 5€cent/Kwh.
Lets team up with Googles Makanipower.
For European use take the kitegen.com (Italien) and team up with RedBull (I am Austrian, so obviously first choice.)
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kitegen-for-Austria/201153033232738?sk=wall
It’s a 3MW wind powerplant.
Run it to make money for the wavepark.
This would be such a landmark project an worth millions in promotion.