Thanks to all of you. The info you gave had helped me to narrow my choices. I just emailed Greg Liddle. I will see what he says. Ill keep you guys posted as to what i decide. Thanks again.
Right tool for the job…Dale’s right “they are means to an > end…pure fun” It’s too bad we don’t have real good control over the > space/time continuum. It would be fun to put a 28 year old Steve Krajewski > on one of the Indonesian rights along with Kelly Slater. I think I know > who would win the race to the inside bowl. (Greenough would beat them both > on a mat!) no doubt Steve would burn past Slater ever so smooth and with style to spare-pureeconomy of motion, pure fun!>>> Newbalonie
Thanks to all of you. The info you gave had helped me to narrow my > choices. I just emailed Greg Liddle. I will see what he says. Ill keep you > guys posted as to what i decide. Thanks again. Tom – do you have a mat yet? You might consider getting a mat for your quiver before a hull. I think maybe you should ride that longboard of yours a few more years. Ride it like a hull at times (get as far forward as possible and make some driving rail turns), see how it feels (it won’t be the same as a Liddle, but you might get a bit of the feeling — be honest with yourself – sounds to me like, however good you already are, you are still pretty new to surfing and you aren’t surfing headhigh malibu or rincon or perfect walled up waves consistently – which is where the hulls work best – so if you get really good surf at your local break my guess is that you are goona take the board you feel most comfortable surfing – your longboard obviously – then will take out the hull on less than hull-type days never getting the hull stoke. My suggestion is to Get really really good and comfortable on yer longboard. Then get a Liddle Hull in a year or two (one new surf vehicle a year is what i say). In the meantime, to mix it up, travel with, feel incredible speed, surf dumping beach breaks, surf blown out windswell, surf anything really…get yourself a mat. It will actually teach you a lot about waves, speed, hulls, surfing and feeling confident on whatever you decide to ride. it will bring back a little soul. a surf mat should be the 2nd surf vehicle in a surf quiver (i think). no joke, don’t discount getting a mat. don’t fall into the stand-up arrogance so many kooks in the water exhume. get what works, get what feels right…get a mat.
I was actually going to create a different thread about the mats, but maybe you can help me out here, Sid. I have bodyboarded since i can remember (i am only 18) and, i still like to bodyboard Delaware shore break (the waves basically break on the sand). What is the difference between a mat and a bodyboard. I can’t really see myself spending $300 on a mat, when i have a perfectly fine bodyboard sitting in my shed. I can actually pull some spinners and rolls on the bodyboard, that dont seem possible on a mat. I guess i don’t really see the advantage of the mat. Maybe you can help correct my ignorance. Tom
I was actually going to create a different thread about the mats, but > maybe you can help me out here, Sid. I have bodyboarded since i can > remember (i am only 18) and, i still like to bodyboard Delaware shore > break (the waves basically break on the sand). What is the difference > between a mat and a bodyboard. I can’t really see myself spending $300 on > a mat, when i have a perfectly fine bodyboard sitting in my shed. I can > actually pull some spinners and rolls on the bodyboard, that dont seem > possible on a mat. I guess i don’t really see the advantage of the mat. > Maybe you can help correct my ignorance.>>> Tom I’ll fix ya up tomorrow. I noticed the modem still on. I got to go to bed now, but you go brush the sand out of your teeth from that shore break of yours. The bodyboard sits in the shed as you say, as it should. Your grandmother wipes the dog s#it off her feet on your mat before she crosses the threshold to pinch your rosey cheek. I can’t really see you spending $300, on a Mr. Dale Solomnson Fine Surf Mat, either. Now go and grab the leash, and wait for me out in the shed. We’ll talk about the advantage of the mat, over a rosey cheek. have fun
I actually don’t use a leash on my bodyboard.
tom check the archives per mats i change my suggestion don’t buy a mat sid
Why the suddent change of heart?
tom check the archives per mats i change my suggestion don’t buy a mat sid 10 reasons why you should stick with sponging: surf mats are too expensive, too underground, too fast, too light, too portable, too sensitive, too simple, too sophisticated, too alive, too fun.
10 reasons why you should stick with sponging:>>> surf mats are too expensive, too underground, too fast, too light, too > portable, too sensitive, too simple, too sophisticated, too alive, too > fun. ricky is correct – tom – stick with the boogie – i don’t think surf mats are for you – i am not saying this to sounds like an arrogant prick – just trying to save you 300 smackers
Was it something I said?
Marc(k?) Andreini shapes the Vaquero. There’s some stuff in the archives. > Sometimes the Beach House in Santa Barbara has them in stock, call them at > 805-963-3213 for a better desc. than I could provide. I wish Kp would respond to the Vaquero inquiry,as it is a board(and more)that is named in respect for and love of way of life that is fairly unique around central Cal. and other coastal/rural areas.Mr. Velzy is one such individual.
Was it something I said? Can’t tell for sure but “el rollos” and “spinners” might be a clue…mat snobbery??? How anti-Pure Fun can you get…(I hope I’m wrong). All kidding aside, dumpers are just not the best for mats. Just like a hull, they need a little ramp to get 'em going. Gotta have some peels in the dump, so to speak. Don’t give up the booger…I had a blast with one on McKenna Beach in Maui.
Was it something I said? Tom, It
s hard to really appreciate a surfmat, unless you have access to waves that have a bit of a ride to them... more of a smoother, linear approach. They dont have to be big, powerful, hollow, clean, or peeling bluegreen… just longer. Surfmats love to just unwind and run by themselves, carving long, hard rail turns, accelerating at high speed through critical sections, and ride deep inside tubes. They even operate faster over gnarly, twisted chop. Mat surfing involves unlearning much of what you think you already know about riding waves… and in contrast to much of modern surfing, its largely about the lowest level of effort, creating the highest degree of performance. What if a few of your breaths somehow had the magic to carry you across the fastest waves youve ever ridden… Dale
Tom,>>> It
s hard to really appreciate a surfmat, unless you have access to waves > that have a bit of a ride to them... more of a smoother, linear approach. > They dont have to be big, powerful, hollow, clean, or peeling > bluegreen… just longer.>>> Surfmats love to just unwind and run by themselves, carving long, hard > rail turns, accelerating at high speed through critical sections, and ride > deep inside tubes. They even operate faster over gnarly, twisted chop.>>> Mat surfing involves unlearning much of what you think you already know > about riding waves… and in contrast to much of modern surfing, its > largely about the lowest level of effort, creating the highest degree of > performance. Now your talking! The art of mat communication. Nothing overblown about it! Have fun!>>> What if a few of your breaths somehow had the magic to carry you across > the fastest waves youve ever ridden…>>> Dale
Now your talking! The art of mat communication. Nothing overblown about > it! Have fun! Sorry Mr. Solomonson! I never meant to post in the middle of yours. I think that, that kind of action, is the most rude thing someone can do here,! I’m also sorry that it’s possible here, by accident or otherwise. Thank you for all of your eloquent passages. I got so excited for a change, that I guess that I lost my place on the bubble… floating on cloud 9 … have(pure) fun! coral
Sorry Mr. Solomonson! I never meant to post in the middle of yours. I > think that, that kind of action, is the most rude thing someone can do > here,! I’m also sorry that it’s possible here, by accident or otherwise. > Thank you for all of your eloquent passages. I got so excited for a > change, that I guess that I lost my place on the bubble… floating > on cloud 9 … have(pure) fun! coral That`s all right… not to worry, Coral! Hey, have those new school teachers managed to learn anything yet? Dale
Heh sorry couldn’t resist. Surf on!
Tom,>>> It
s hard to really appreciate a surfmat, unless you have access to waves > that have a bit of a ride to them... more of a smoother, linear approach. > They dont have to be big, powerful, hollow, clean, or peeling > bluegreen… just longer.>>> Surfmats love to just unwind and run by themselves, carving long, hard > rail turns, accelerating at high speed through critical sections, and ride > deep inside tubes. They even operate faster over gnarly, twisted chop.>>> Mat surfing involves unlearning much of what you think you already know > about riding waves… and in contrast to much of modern surfing, its > largely about the lowest level of effort, creating the highest degree of > performance.>>> What if a few of your breaths somehow had the magic to carry you across > the fastest waves youve ever ridden…>>> Dale dale, the way you’re describing it (and what i’ve seen from greenough footage)it seems like surfmats work best in good point surf. i have been intrigued (i really want to give it a go someday!) by the concepts of mats- however if i imagine myself sitting with a surfmat in the lineup on a good day at a good point break in socal (let’s just say the bu or rincon!) i probably would either experience a lot of hostility and bad vibes from all the stand up surfers or end up not catching any waves at all since everybody would probably outpaddle me. it would only work if like greenough described it in the surfer’s journal article that all the surfer’s would ride mat’s - then 200 people could ride rincon bouncing of each other like rubber balls… aloha, flo
"Its hard to really appreciate a surfmat, unless you have access to waves that have a bit of a ride to them... more of a smoother, linear approach. They dont have to be big, powerful, hollow, clean, or peeling bluegreen… just longer… They even operate faster over gnarly, twisted chop. Mat surfing involves unlearning much of what you think you already know about riding waves… " flo- consider carefully the meaning of dales previous. sure they work best in perfect point break conditions. what doesnt? but the mats work very well over lots of different waves and choppy waves, too. think about it: why would any competant mat riders want to be sitting in the pack at over populated places like the con or the bu? hell, sometimes mats catch unbroken swells OUTSIDE the lineup! but who wants to ride through a mob of growling bummed shralpers? the truth is mats open up all kinds of new possibilities. gliding over water so well that even lousy bumped out, uncrowded waves can become the funnest rides. the surfers journal: read "george greenough, the ageless artist" in the vol. 3 no.1 spring 1994 the surfers journal. read that greenough mostly rides his mats in common beach break slop. another thought: whats he doing out there if they have to be ridden at a point break? its not just greenough`s toy. its been happening. hidden right in plain sight. aloha to you, too.