I was wondering what kind of marker, applied to rice paper laminates will NOT bleed.
I’m thinking brand name, plus certain colors, etc.
The shaper who is making my board said he would “scrub” the fiberglass when doing the glassjob, so the marker needs to be able to hold up. He suggested pencil.
Any suggestions?
I forgot to add something: I have an autograph of Kelly Slater and Mike Parsons on rice paper with a Sharpie Pen that I want to put under the glass as well, and was wondering if there is anyway I can prevent them from bleeding. At the time I thought permanent was the smart way to go, but learned more about chemistry AFTER the fact, so is there something I can do to save them so that they can be glassed in?
Thanks.
Take a digital picture of the original autographs, then use the scanned picture to make a rice paper lam. That won’t bleed, and you’ll still have the original. Plus you can do them in color, if you want, instead of just black.
Actually, I want the originals under the glass. That way they are original. I think it would be fun.
I know pencil will work, but I’d like to use various colors, mostly dark colors that are easy to see, such as green, blue, red, etc. I have a feeling some colors will bleed more easily than others. I am skeptical of red. Red scares me. Maybe I am a bull. Actually, bulls are colorblind.
Anyway, so can any old crayola waterbased marker work?
I find it odd that permanent can be bled by resins and catalyst, but some waterbased cannot, and then vice versa when working with water. It’s very odd. It surprises me that any water based marker could stand up to resin, but it can. My last board has blue writing on the stringer, so I could ask that shaper. That might be a good start.
On another note: Keith, are you going to tow this year? Winter is coming, and I think it’s going to be a big one (outside of San Diego County, of course).
colored pencil could work…copy the perm. marker with a scanner & printer onto another peice of rice paper…water based paint,not red…uhhh yeah ,dont use sharpies…
Howzit Abe, Don’t and I repeat don’t use the Sharpie autographs, they will bleed big time and there goes the autographs and a clean laminate. Do the scanner thing and print on rice paper. Sharpies and Mark a lots are alcohol based and that’s what makes them bleed. So put the copies on the board and frame the real autographs. Aloha,Kokua
See, the thing is, I am going to get into the VIP section at the Boost Mobile Pro next week at Trestles, and the top 44 will be there competing. So I want to get as many signatures as possible (hopefully they will be friendlier than Phil Mickelson was this weekend when we bumped into him at Disneyland in the back corner of a restaurant. Good to see him eating like me, greasy and fattening burgers. Hey, and he had a gut like me too, but was ticked that we recognized him. My brother in law said, “Hey, aren’t you Phil Mickelson?” He then put on a hat and sunglasses INSIDE the restaurant. Classic).
Anyway, I plan to get tons of autographs to put into a board, just for fun. I did it last year, with a Sharpie (DOH!), thinking that Permanent meant permanent, but now I know it means (not permanent). Shoot!
Plus, CJ Hobgood wouldn’t sign because it was on rice paper and he didn’t like the idea. Snob!
Slater didn’t mind. Slater is the man.
Hey, give me a break. Aside from NFL, surfing is the only sport I follow. I think basketball is pathetic (pro, not college–too many pampered babies). Baseball has been ruined by money and steroids (yeah, I know, football, yada, yada, but football is different. You are supposed to be big and mean). I don’t know hockey, soccer has no scores, auto racing is loud and the female fans lack teeth, so it’s surfing and football.
So, I’ll just have to go do some experiments with markers, pencils, etc. to see what works.
I think I might get a Sharpie, some rice paper and clear sprays and start experimenting. Maybe Futures floor polish, Krylon or something would seal it without making it run? Then again, it might make the rice paper less porous and cause problems there.
For the event at the Mobile Pro, maybe get a bunch of Posca Pens?
Hey Abe, er, Fairmont…
blue writing on the stringer, I use Zig pens for that. No bleed, easy to read thru the glass.
I can’t think how you could get your Sharpie-permanent-rice paper autographs sealed well enough to not bleed. Maybe you could put them between two very thin pieces of plexiglass and route a shallow well to hold the whole thing…then glass it in…
Yes. Assuming we ever get any swell big enough. (No, not anywhere near swarmis!)
Generally speaking, a water-based ink will bleed when wetted with water, and solvent-based ink will bleed when exposed to solvent. (Let’s ignore that water is a solvent, okay?)
Thus, your alcohol (solvent-thinned) Sharpie ink bleeds when you put resin (styrene, a solvent) on it.
This suggests that you get your autographs done on rice paper with a water based ink, such as Posca (there’s the trade name you wanted), unless you finally take the hint and use a scanner and ink-jet printer (then you can get all those snob sigs on).
A surfer is, you must realize, a “brand” and his brand has commercial value, which must be protected. Ever try get a lam from an established manufacturer, so you can put it on your POS board? They (usually) don’t give 'em away cuz they don’t want non-professionals with less than shop quality boards, damaging their brand or image.
This was a consideration about two years ago - the agents of some surfers wanted to charge magazines for each/every pic of their surfer. Fortunately, it was realized that the situation was mutually beneficial, and to my knowledge, no surfer is paid for his image unless it is used by an advertiser. Same with other professional sports.
The reason the pros don’t have a legal leg to stand on with pictures in mags is that they are being photographed at a public beach. And since they aren’t minors, there isn’t a conflict.
Plus, as you mentioned, it is a mutual deal. The pros need the paparazzi and vice versa.
As far as an autograph goes, a pro doesn’t have to sign anything he doesn’t want to sign. I can’t make him. But most are cool and sign.
I thought about the marketability of a board with signatures and figured, what’s the point? It couldn’t possible be that valuable. They aren’t the NBA. Heck most surfers cannot name half, heck, ten of the top forty-four surfers. It’s very hard to watch a contest and not want to surf instead. It’s a participatory sport.
Plus, I wouldn’t EVER want to laminate a brand name into my board, like Rip Curl, etc., unless I was sponsored, and I don’t think anyone wants to sponsor a 35 year-old slightly overweight self-thought-of advanced surfer who is really a very, very experienced intermediate surfer who has brief flashes of ripping (in his own mind). I swear, when I surf everyone is watching me. But I know they are not.
And I certainly wouldn’t want to laminate a shaper’s brand name, like CI into a board that wasn’t shaped by Merrick (or ghost). That would be like building a car on my own and putting a Ford symbol on the hood (of course, the quality would probably be equal).
My goal is to get all the current competing world champs, such as Sunny Garcia, Occy, Slater, Irons, Hobgood. Oh, and a few former world champs who will be there, like Rabbitt, Potter, Curren, Duke, etc.
There are cross overs. David Wells plays baseball and you can surf with him at the O.B. pier.