Hi everyone,
I’m in the Byron area and I have asked a few suppliers and producers where I can buy innegra cloth and I have only got basically nowhere. Suppliers generally tell me, "Ah, you don’t want that stuff! ", or “there’s not enough demand to warrant carrying it.”
I’m pretty sure things will change having seen boards made of this cloth and the impact resistance they have.
This stuff is going to make deck denting a thing of the past. It is awesome. Can somebody put me on to a supplier?
thanks for reading & happy surfing
-Cheers
-J
Hey Guys, thanks for giving me those contacts :)I called South Coast & they can't supply it & i'm waiting to hear back from Colan. That sample offer thing sounds terrific.
I appredciate everybodies insistance on strong cores. i've used Burfords, Southcoast, Core, Keahana, & Dragon so far with fairly solid outcomes. I did learn the hard way about skinning and, thanks Surfding :), I always go with the blanks deck rocker and evolve the next copy with the same blank. Love that bakey skin:) Although 1/64 to a 16th sounds a tiny amount. I haven't measured my deck passes but I would have thought the foam still be yellow at that little? Also the break up of the foam on the skin also seems to be that deep.
The strongest deck resistant glassing I have done so far is a 6x6x6 one layer being a bi-axial cloth under the top 6. Burford green, sprayed red in pu 2pac (did that help?) . Glassed in Acme 503 epoxy.. Its a 6'5" 18 1/2" 2 7/16" (pretty handy lately!) but waxed up, fins and leggie, it comes in on the nose at 4kg. I'd like to get it down to 3.1 kg but still keep the PU core. So the innegra 2 oz looks very appealing here. The guys at inlayz are claiming to have good impact resistance vs weight but I have seen a few of these snap in nothing. They were 4xinlayzx4bottom and polyester. The S-glass is calling my name but I can't find anywhere to purhase it off the roll. Can somebody also help out here? The other option is as you said , tight fused, eps. I'm about to try some of that in the next month so i'll let you know how the weight vs toughness battle goes there. Looking like it'll be glassed the same as the 6'5"
Cheers fellas, Thanks again -J
Colan is offering sample
cloth to anyone who is interested in using Innegra in their new
application. Contact the helpful people at Colan and discuss your
requirements.
be wary of what you wish for…Innegra is of little benifit for stopping deck dents… it has other properties that make it a great combination fibre for using on surfboards… the best thing for stopping deck dents is a better Core/Blank.
South coast foam on the gold coast sell Colan products, they should be able to get it if they dont have it in stock.
I have used Innegra and its pretty good stuff. I have also use Kevlar with the same results just more money for the material. I bag it because the glassers hate it.
Dave is spot on about CORE. Don’t forget about the CORE!
Never plow into a deck while shaping a board. Stay close to the surface. (speaking in terms of PU)
If the blank rocker does not fit don’t force it to fit the blank. If you do you are the biggest BARNEY on this Planet we call EARTH.
I take 1/64 to 1/16 off the deck as I order blanks to fit the deck rocker of the intented model.
If you do not respect deck rocker take up a different hobby.
Never use 2nd quality anything. Never use Random Blanks. If you are going to go the distance with Hybryd cloths then go the distance with the CORE. I have done boards with S-Cloth with very good results. However the core was spot on.
Stringerless EPS/Epoxy in Innergra is a nice build as long as you double wrap the rails and use Tight Fused EPS (MOLDED).
People will disagree but some of my favorite builds included XPS DOW BLUE SURF CORE. Wrapped in Innegra. Great board however not pratical for surfers who have no money who buy the cheap ones we make now. Sure we can make better boards that last 10x as long. The problem is they won’t pay for it. If you are making a magic carpet for yourself and you know the shape is spot on then make one for you. If your not sure on the shape then glass it down and dirty. Once you know your design is perfected then spend the money on material. I have seen a lot of materials wasted over the years on horrible shapes.
SKIN SKIN SKIN what about the CORE CORE CORE OR DESIGN DESIGN DESIGN?
COMPROMISED CORE + SKIN + DESIGN = SUBSTANDARD
CORE + AVERAGE SKIN + DESIGN = AVERAGE
CORE + SKIN + POOR DESIGN = WASTE OF MATERIAL
CORE + SKIN + DESIGN = SUCCESS
No harm intented I’m just a bit JADED from all the shapers who don’t know beans about deck rocker or core.
HAPPY BOARD BUILDING!
FOCUS!
Kind regards,
surfding
My PU boards are 4 + 3/4 Butterfly Deck Patch with a 4 bottom. Sand Finish. 2.25 KG is my average weight.
My XPS Vacuum Bagged Stringer-less weight under 2 KG. 6 + 2 innegra / 6 oz S Cloth Bottom
On the light ones you can put a cavity to contain added weights so the weight can be increased for those overhead off shore days.
Smaller glassy days leave them light. It is easier to control the weight when the board is light. Heavy over glassed boards limit your options.
I like to balance the core with the skin. Too have one stronger than the other is counter intuitive.
S-Glass I like because it’s strong and not so expensive.
It’s a nice compromise. Some Surfers will pay the premium upcharge.
If not stay with E.
4kg fark thats a battle ship innegra a special fabric requireing a different process best used to retain flex
dave says carefull what you wish for? i dble it
cheers huie
Thanks Fellas,
Awesome news, Hey Surfding, what is a Butterfly patch? I guess its named after its cut out shape, right?..& does that mean that there is only 4x4 lap on the rail and a single on your deck?
A mate of mine does his boards like that , and they rip, but everytime I get one the fun's all over in a month or two if i'm lucky. I'm not big, 70kg, and ol mate's the same but surfs way better so I just accept it and make the battleships(hehe) that I do. I enjoy riding 'em, they carry through the flats and the chop good, handle the strong offshore days sweet and I know they'll probably never break!
But one of those cavity holed 2 kg chips does sound good for those onshore or perfect days. Maybe i'll bust tail or throw some air, hehe, that'd make my day.
The recipe for the 6x2x6 XPS sounds like what i'm after, though I have no idea what the inegra flex properties means? I'm not sure I want flex, I rode a skinny 6' firewire and found it weird (was great on the sketchy take offs, but that's prolly nothing to do with flex I imagine) Maybe I should have tried it for longer. Has anyone found the flex adds to cutties or bottom turns? I found it felt like it was bogging. Is this whats instore for me with innegra? Here are a few questions on characteristics of this cloth, maybe you can help out here?
Do you use stringers or carbon rails for these boards?
Do you lap the rail with the innegra?
If its lapped then can it provide similar longitudinal strength to replace the carbon rails on stringerless boards?
Thanks again for you help, till I employ it, it's back to the battleships! AAAARRRRGH!
Cheers-J
‘4kg fark thats a battle ship’
I just laughed so hard!!!..Huie your a legend!!
Colourup no offence by this comment if you are a genuine person but…you sure your not having these good people on…are you for real?!
Bust tail? throw some air? On your anti-golf ball denting battle ship that ploughs through chop, mows down the flats but doesn’t do a cut back like a Fire-Choir, f@rk at least this battle ships got longitudinal strength to boot!! hmm maybe I should put some more carbon Flab-er-ic on the rails? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
This just got ridiculous?..Colourup FWIW if your anything like me then the aim is to make the best surfboard you can that works…full stop…then if you get anywhere near mastering this stage you can start dicking around with all these other fabrics and things. That is if your not a troll stiring up the forum?
Why complicate life anymore than it alreadys is? Just make a normal surfboard to the best of your abilities.
I’m going on a surf trip for the next two months, no more creeping around here for me, this is too much. Taking all PU’s, two x shorties with 4+4+4oz layup and two x step-ups 6+4+6oz. I don’t give a crap about deck dents and if they all break I’ll buy another one there or just go home early…easy?
Really sorry to blast you Colour-y
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Marsh you sound like a surfer who actually surfs.
All the guys that I make boards for who frequent INDO go all PU/POLY = 2 x 4 Deck 4 Bottom
Sometimes they break one. The normally take 2 of each board with them on a trip.
Butterfly patchs are for contest boards.
Surfboards are so cheap. Who cares if you get deck dents anyway.
I think your right Marsh we might have got punked?
Enjoy your trip!
Kind regards,
surfding
Tom Resvan an Indo Regular (The Left is Green Bush)
hey marsh,
I'm nothing like you. I hate deckdents and I hate snapping boards even more.
look in the mirror when you ask me what i'm here for.
What are you, the community bulldog?
And you guys are right, boards are cheap, crap boards that break are really cheap. Snap a Simon Jones or a Valla and say cheese. But these boards are made well and prolly won't snap.
I'm here to learn stuff. You can wave the tired old flag of the 90's pro model wafer chip faithful high in the sky to distract us from the reality which is that its colossal doom is imminent. in the face of the new technologies, it'll just fade out. The Better Stronger Faster Brigade-BSFB- of producers cutting their teeth on new materials and processes(EPS, Carbon, Innegra, Biaxial, XPS, RR, ETS, CET, inlayz vac bagging, amongst inumerable others) are where it's all at. My priority is board strength. Preformance will come with design experience and familiarity with the new materials. I don't care if I surf like i'm in the 70's, thats good surfing to me. Sure I don't like the FWs and Surftechs i've rode much but they had a go & they work for some. My boards go good too, for me. I want more toughness and eco sensitivity from a board. You don't care about snapping boards, I do. I never want to snap another board as long as I live. Epoxy is better than PE. Period. PE is soon to be a relic seen in collections & museums.
Take a look at US Blanks home page and read all about their investments in green friendly processes and the EPS companies that they've been making. Take a look at the number of foam companies in the US and how many are pushing EPS.
Companies like Holladays, WNC, New Core, Pacific Allied (Surfoam), US Blanks are all featuring and developing their new technology in the wave of demand from surfboard producers who want something better than what was available in the 50's.
Basically all you've told me is to join the other dinasauruses with their heads in the sand at yesterdays diner on history street. Thanks dude.
At least you made up some new words, Flab-er-ic? hilarious i'll use that when I see your 2 pc board under your arm.
I'm not gonna validate myself here, i'm here to learn stuff. Not act like DICK TRACEY or Larry Moe or Curly. Have you got a clown discount for your indo trip??
I'm new to this game and I don't know much but I know polyester is yesterdays news.
Your advice on learning construction basics may be sound in the mainstream illusion of what a good board is, but here in my thread, and in reality, forget it. It's part of an out dated production schedule whose writing has been on the wall for a good 10 years. I'm here to learn about new stuff that will improve your average guys surfing experience not to harp on about what we already know.
In 10 years grommies will laugh at you on your historical society relics made of PU and PE.
Super Toxic
Super Weak
Deck dents.
Onions, Fractures, Yellowing, = fugly sticks.
If you check out the data sheets on Epoxy vs Polyester resin, epoxy whups Polyester butt 2:1 on every level, flex, longitudanal strength, impact resistance to cracking and denting, whiteness. BTW poly ester data sheets are very hard to find, prolly cause they don't want you to know. You'll easily get an MSDS on them but!
I started out making boards as the fugly sticks were lasting me about 10 surfs= more time out of the water and less time to experiment with different fin templates. So thats $50 - 70 a surf + wax. About what you'll pay for your waves in indo.
In the four years since, i've been using epoxy resins and 3 laps of 6oz. I've creased only one board an been surfing a minimum 4 times a week for 3hrs a sesh.
So my initial goal is being satisfied. Not all the boards weigh in at 4kg. I dunno what happened this time but I don't care. This board feels slick & cuts the mustard either way, a lot better that the FW or any 2.5kg fugly stick i ever had did.
Light boards, great in perfect waves with no offshore. In offshores they = hung up in the lip. Also they got next to zero momentum for the flats (this ain't indo) and have a flakey feel alot of the time. But this can = great for giving your mates some laughs. Also you'll be popular in indo you can mish off to the ding man every 2 surfs keep the economy stoked that you're on that chip. You wanna surf like a pro. I don't.
You wanna bump and skitter everywhere on a 2kg wafer chip that's gonna last you till July. I wanna carve tracks, gouge pockets, smack lips and sing echo beach in a crystal water hut on a board i'll give to my kids.
I was talking to this lady today who knows next to nothing about surfboards, and her brother in law is making her a hybrid to get her off the fish she's been struggling on. First thing she says is, "oh, it's light!" . What the hell is that? That is an uneducated person regurgitating concepts being fed to the public by a load of loaded up execs in companies who shake hands, cut wages and stab backs.
They love the mindset that is, "Mick and Joel say 1.9 kg is too heavy, we're all gonna ride 4x4x4 PE toxic fugly sticks!" (2x4oz laps only=snapping it's just a matter of time=bad eco decision). How many guys say, "Hey yeah, I got 9 months out of it!" like that's an achievement. The execs pay $250-300 to make 'em(including labour) and they can compete with cheap inferior chinese imports. What they also do is make your average punter think that a $800 is a lot for a board. What a joke. In the 80's and early 90's a board was 2 weeks wages. Imagine snapping that at a 1ft beachie (which I did numerous times) and rolling up to your board shop!
This mindset has been drip fed to us as part of the price cutting war by companies who forgot where they came from, a LOCAL BEACH somewhere with their mates. I couldn't look a mate in the eye if he snapped one of mine as quick as the major labels break. Do these CEOs even surf any more? Are their companies taken over by surfers?
What is a preformance board for the pros, is generally a bunch of lies and a handicap for regular surfers. I know heaps of locals who shred on 4kg plus - 6'4' x 3" x 20" B52s. And I know heaps of others who've snapped there new board on the first surf. Oh, What a Feeling! The lightest thing possible has it's place and I wanna make some but i'll be using EPS / XPS cores and new varieties of layups and stringers. Till then i'll stick with the battleship this winter thanks Dick Tracey. It went sick on the point yesterday. What is a thing for one is not the thing for everyone else. Keep makin' your snappy chips, it's up to you.
Lastly, WHY ARE YOU ON THIS THREAD? It's about a new product called Innegra, have you heard of it? I can imagine you like Bear in Big Wednesday, going "Lea'me alone!" and staggering off to be the old guy in the shed going on about the good ol days when folks lungs were tuff! "We'd snapped 4 boards a day for a laugh, *wheeze*."
All you've told me is to stick my head in the sand. Thanks man, it's been working for you!
Cheers-J
PS. Surfding, sick pics Cheers
Wow… I agree with quite a bit of what your saying. Our common challenge these days is to see that the general public learn that kind of stuff and become aware of the differences… Just tone down the vehemence everybody and " do what ya wanna do , be what you wanna be yeh"
Hey Guys,
yeah thanks fellas,
sick rant surfding!
I think this little flat spell since sunday is getting to me. I mite have to buy a kite…
Sure we got a little off topic but it’s interesting about everyones views on longetivity, marketing, deck strength, material & weight variance preferences etc.
Personal views have gotta be stated, i’ll try and keep my judgemental act out of it. Thanks for the chill on this vibe Dave.
If you like your board to be the wafer chip poly way, well, that’s what you’ll recommend to anyone looking for tips. OnYa. Maybe innegra or bi-axial would be bad news for Girvin but it’s good for barney and me and a few other m8s…) I know a few guys who shape through the skin on PU cause they prefer the foot impressions. That’s their thing.
It’s a good thing, that for every genre of like minded surfers, there are producers passionate about that style of product. But crew who break a board and go straight to the dude who made it and orders the same model, I freak on that. That’s just me. That’s, Why didn’t he try for something a little different next time? But as you said surfding, a lot of people are stoked to ride what they know & love and they’d rather fork out the same again for it, and get on to something a little more out there.
Obviously, you’ve had a good go at the alternatives and yeah the market’s tough on pricey boards and i’m stoked you’re here to help out. But unfortunatel from what i’ve heard it’s tough on everyone at the mo.
We each mostly follow the path we each sense is best and marsh is right, the kids are already cackling on my shapes. Thats cool. They give me plenty of material too. My aim is to make a board that won’t break or dent, simple.
I ride as many boards of the local shapers that I can and my shapes emulate what I can Interpret from what goes good for me. To me flex is way above where i’m at design wise & it’s not been part of an inspiration so far. I’m happy to work with contours, fins, and placement to achieve manuvourability and speed & leave that stuff to you guys.
I’ll chase up those types of foams surfding. I appreciate your info and wish marsh a sick barrel fest in indo.
Happy surfin’
Cheers -J
If a deck is so strong it won’t dent I willing to bet the boards “pop”'and flex will be crap. I guess that’s fine if your a barny or are used to surftechs but if you can surf and felt a well glassed board then you’ll know it’s worth it.
Sorry Colouup…I really thought that from the language you were using as well as the convoluted manner of your posts and your persona that it was all made up… So I appologies for wrongly/rudely assuming that your boards or skills were less than average due to you not knowing about glassing. I just say what comes to mind, its my nature, sorry about that.
Continue on, this place is for learing, search the forum for Innegra there’s been a bit of debate and there’s plenty here on glassing techniques. I’ve never used Innegra due partly to the cost of the sample then on contemplation, the irrelevancy to the boards I currently make, but I’ll make the assumption (cause it hasn’t been answered) that being the underlay you would not lap the rails with it.
I’m all for better stronger boards, it’s just that as a hobbyiest personally I would like to get better at shaping, glassing, sanding first and learning about how surfboards work in the water. You could keep hacking together boards with all these high tech (and expensive) materials, and in 10 years time the grommets might be laughing at my PU cored boards but they could very well be ammused by your funky shapes too. Anyway I would write more about some misconceptions I think you have on materials but as you righly stated I have no business being on the Innegra thread…cheers.
Color up that was a pretty long rant.
For one I have made a few boards with Innegra and even have a whole roll of the material next to the beautiful vacuum pump and equipment Invested in.
Also note I have built 100’s of XPS/Epoxy boards.
I have built even more EPS boards. 1.0, 1.5, 1.75, 2.0 pound densities. However having said that I made so many PU/Poly boards because that is not only what the PRO’s ride it’s what the everyday surfer wants or can afford. I don’t think PU is going away. Sure I love EPS, XPS, and all the various Hybrid cloths that are available. Innegra and S-Cloth in an autoclave over 1.5 EPS or DOW XPS SURFCORE is pretty unbeatable. However it’s tough to sell a $1,000 board. Plus I think part of the surfing experience is getting a new board. I’ve been on the HIGH TECH journey before and if you new how much it cost in R&D you would rethink your rant. Now don’t get me wrong I agree with you on some of your points. However let’s keep everything in perspective. If you want to learn about the various technical methods and materials there are plenty of people on this site to do so. I don’t think it’s worth getting up tight about or going and a ECO trip. In Defense of Marsh I would say to master design and shaping is worth the effort. As far as the best materials? We already know what they are and how to build the ultimate surfboard. The problem is surfboard design is always evolving therefore keeping the surfer in a state of discontent always seeking the next magic board. To make a board that last forever goes against the surfing experience. Sure we can do it however I don’t think the general surfing public is ready.
Build what you feel is the best for yourself. Don’t expect people to follow you. 10 years from now there will be plenty of PU/Poly boards unless there is a world ban on these materials. EPOXY and alternate CORES will become more relevant in the near future. In the meantime cheaper is still the driving force with surfers the world over.
Colorup I can rant too!
Kind regards.
surfding
Hey Colourup
we've all been there ......" the kids are already cackling on my shapes" about 8 years ago I made an eps/ epoxy round nose 5'8 mini sim inspired board. They all laughed and started calling my board the "paddle pop"..... funny, a few years later the same kids were riding "CI Biscuits" and saying they were unreal...
Your aim - "to make a board that won't break or dent, simple. " is the same goal of many of the guys that are on here but i'll add that also "perform".
Surfding is right, cost is always more expensive if you go from the away from the norm... but when it works and you start developing ideas its amazing... you become resourceful, trying to work out ways to cut the costs down.
I'm a backyardie who likes working with different materials and seeing what works and doesnt, i will never be a pro and dont want to... just like the pride of riding something that i have made that works for ME better than the norm!
innegra is great though need the understanding of how it works with its properties and if you do a 100% innegra skin, sanding is a bitch -found that one out...
if you are still struggling finding a supplier, PM me, as i'm in OZ also and got some through a mate.
Cores are also important and Surfding is also right on that one... i'm another XPS fan... though you have to treat your boards with a bit more care (no more leaving in the car on a 40c day..).. still riding a board (100%bamboo woven cloth with XPS core) and after 18 months very little deck dents even though its at least surfed once a week!
Though once you go down this path its addictive... always trying to find out if there is a better newer material that is better.... building a XPS core wrapped in a Hemp/PET skin at the moment...
My flights been canceled because of the F@rking Chiliean ash cloud!! Plane tickets have doubled...cool..but the people in Chile have got it worse then me so my thoughts go out to them.
Colourup its good we are mates again haha!! Heres my rant then I'm finished
I think that:
- EPS is not environmentally friendly at all once your moulded blank is shipped from the States blowing out your carbon foot print, no ones doing moulded in Oz.
- No ones recycles EPS in OZ, and do the EPS recyclers sift out timber shavings and PU dust if your making both? can you grind down old surfboards?..in Australia!?
- Moulded EPS blanks are more expensive than PU in Sydney, theres two foam blowers here they are the original Australian manufactures, they make arguable they best PU in the world.
- The big companies making composite surfboards still build and test all their models in PU, what does that tell you about the construction? I don’t think it’ll go away, 90%+ of professionals still ride them, Asia wont take over, custom will be king, how do you develop the best 15 year olds surfing in Australia with boards sent from Asia? Also I now see that SurfTech are building a lot of models in PU/PE so?
- Resin Research is presumably the best Epoxy same as above though once its shipped from the states it kind of blows out the carbon foot print majorly.
- Kenetics is yellow compared to Polyester from FGI which I believe is made in Botany Bay, correct me if I'm wrong? and is also the same resin that other sydney suppliers sell. Bennetts have got Silmar..best Poly resin out there.
- The price I was quoted by shapers oz for kenetics, they are the distributers, was 8 times what I pay for Polyester!!! The guy did tell me it took 3 litres to glass a short board though!!? Guess he thought I was going to pour most of it on the floor cause i normally use 1.5-2 litres of poly and Epoxy your meant to use less?. That’s why Epoxy is off my to do list at the moment, that and I would have to build a hot box as well as the fact that I glassed one board in Epoxy, got some on me and my hands went red hot and frigen itchy, so I think I am sensitised. But I still think the stuff is awesome, maybe Australia is behind.
- FGI have a surfboard Epoxy and was until recently (a few years..maybe 3?) the only surfboard epoxy resin you could get in Sydney. IT IS FRIGEN YELLOW!! to start with. If you ring up and say you want a surfboard epoxy resin for a clear white surfboard they will tell you its yellow and advise you not to buy it unless you are putting pigment in it. Sounds retarded but true!
- Your claim that suppliers don't provide Data sheets on their resins is rubbish, FGI have extensive information in PDF format for all the materials they sell. Check this link http://www.fgi.com.au/?q=surf-sailboard .
- They also have all the detailed information about all the fabrics they sell including Carbon Fiber. Also you can go to the Colan web site they have very good info on their fabrics, biaxil multi what ever..all of it!! its really good and does make you think more about your materials.
- Epoxy needs post cure. Electricity?! Carbon foot print? and they keep telling us electricity prices are set to soar so surfboard manufactures can just cop another hit.
- Pu boards get a bad rep because high performance surfing requires light thin boards, you watch pros snap 2 boards in a heat cause it's glassed with 1 layer of four oz then write the construction off.
-PU boards snapping is as much about design as it is about the materials, I think once a PU board is under 2 5/16'' thick - 1 1/4'' nose 1 1/2'' tail, its at the limits of the materials especially if glassed light. You don't see many snapped McCoy's do you? Some people write them off but the construction of McCoy is quality. If I could make a board like that with the art work I would be stoked.
- An EPS board of the same design above glassed in the traditional manner will snap at pretty much the same rate.
- If you are not interested in high performance surfing best to build your board a little thicker, then they wont snap.
- If you go on holiday to Indo with your Firewire you had better take the tube of 5min epoxy with you because it's highly unlikely the Indos at Lagundry Bay have got resin research. Don't wait for the next set in though after being run over by an out of control Italian cause your Firewire is now taking on water like the Titainc.
- Your claim that PU/PE boards are $800 is over exagerated. The top manufactures might sell at this price but I still think it's fair due to the fact that you are paying for 40 years of someone’s work in the design. It's unfortunate that the materials are pushed to the limit though. These boards can still last for years and if you get past 6 months of regular surfing on the best board you've ever had that has improved your surfing thats money well spent.
- Down from $800 there are hundreds of shapers that'll sell you a board for $600 then there’s heaps of start up guys flogging boards for $450 coming off the same machines and even being glassed by the same people some times.
- As a tradie you can make $800 in a day, some times I wonder why I chose this as a hobby.
-You made your own board for $150-$200 it lasted 96 hours (2 months at 12 hours per week) of solid surfing?! That is frigen awesome!!
-If you've built an 'environmenatlly firendly' EPS, XPS, IXPS cored blank glassed it with the best Innerga, carbon fiber, kevlar, multi axil fabric then done wobbly free laps that have got bumps on the deck like something you caught on Kontiki tour last year you will burn through the cloth everywhere causing your materials to fail and your board will probably snap anyway.
Lastly I wish I could make the amazing composite surfboards like people on this site but my shapes aren't at the level yet.
Go well with your quest for the indestructible surfboard, post your findings and escapades here, thats what its about. Cheers!!
