Why are Surftech boards so expensive???

Dave, thats interesting what you have to say about BASE because in West Vicco they have well and truly captured the biggest slice of the potato chip market (with JS and Channel Islands taking the rest) - I was away in the US when that happened so I don’t know whether they shook off the poor quality reputation you are talking of or whether they avoided getting that reputation down here.

I surfed East Vicco last couple of weekends and there were more small name shapes in the water, but still heaps of BASE boards, although a lot of them seem to have the Rip Curl logo on them as well - I think rip curl might be resellers.

Yorky, I’m reading Mick Fanning’s book at the moment and he only has good things to say about Darren Handley (DHD). The Mick Fanning model is very popular down here - I see the Fanning logo on boards in the carparks.

When I go to buy a board all I’m asking for is a decent design that is well built and at a fair price.  But as mentioned previously, I feel taken advantage of when I spend the extra bucks for a board and the deck starts to colaspe after 3 months.  Or maybe the board is just not what it was made out to be.  Where is the surf industry going, is there a commitment to the soul and spirit of the sport or am I hearing, sorry, it’s nothing personal it’s just business. 

Surfing is the royal sport for the natural kings of the earth.  Jack London from the cruise of the Snark 1911

Is the royal sport losing some of its luster?

ah then you do need a Surftech, no dents at all on mine, I have tufflite and TL2, just got another TL2 last friday. - price is coming down

I think there is a case for using PU blanks, because Aussie EPS sucks water. Best EPS is Thai EPS. But there is no excuse for lamming in fragile polyester. However I like sandwich best.

 

cheers,

Mike

don’t let that fallacy deter you. My wife is a Thai national who lectures and researches marketing in Bangkok, her job takes her all over the country. She is very well informed and tells me that Thailand does have minimum wage rules - of course their standard of living doesn’t match the west but they are trying. Thailand does have lots of issues to deal with so pollution does tend to get ignored, but they have done a fantastic job of cleaning up the air pollution in Bangkok, there are still dirty tuk-tuks running around the place, but all the taxis run on cleaner LPG now.

 

PLEASE DON’T BUY A “ST”… SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL SHAPER!!!

 

Are you F#$KING kidding me, is this photo for real. I hate em just by looking at them, hows the F wit in the chair up front, F#$K I hate corprate money hungry bastards!

Bring back the horse and cart and I’ll buid my own house grow my own food and shape a F#$KING board out of a tree! while they perrish and die!!!

…I have my own reasons for hateing suits.

When ever there around they just seem to F#$K things up for me, from age 16 to 36. F#$K em!

Yeah I’ve been burnt, and Yeah I’ve learnt!

…on a posivive note check out Chris’s site http://www.chrisgarrettshapes.com.au/

 

 

nice adrian.

i dont have the horse anymore

i did build my own house

**i do grow  my fruit& vegs
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i do shape boards out of trees

if you  are in a suit you are not wellcome’’

f###k i aint got a suit    dont seem to remember where my shoes are either

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PLEASE DON'T BUY A "ST"... SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL SHAPER!!!

 

Are you F#$KING kidding me, is this photo for real. I hate em just by looking at them, hows the F wit in the chair up front, F#$K I hate corprate money hungry bastards!

Bring back the horse and cart and I'll buid my own house grow my own food and shape a F#$KING board out of a tree! while they perrish and die!!!

...I have my own reasons for hateing suits.

 

When ever there around they just seem to F#$K things up for me, from age 16 to 36. F#$K em!

Yeah I've been burnt, and Yeah I've learnt!

...on a posivive note check out Chris's site http://www.chrisgarrettshapes.com.au/

 

 

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Classic Yorky.

The only time you wear a suit is when you're going to court or a funeral.

What a pack of wankers.

  MrJ ,Aussie eps does not suck water and used correctly does not result in deck dents....same as quality p/u boards . ST's have sacrificed performance for strength , but they still crease and ding. Repairs cost twice as much and 3 times as long

 

 

[/quote] ......You are miss-informed. Aus eps does not suck water-...........ST can't do custom boards ( 1 size fits all-take it or leave it)...........they still crease...........they still ding........they cost twice as much to repair..............they are useless in 20knot offshore   .................their copy is not the same as the original.............they use paint to look like wood.........they don't displace enough water to make the design work properly etc etc etc..........

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my latest aquisition. A shape from an Aussie superstar - Phil Byrne.

6’ 1" Phil Macca pro model in TL2

2.52 kg on my kitchen scales. Not as light as Mick Fannings boards, but not bad for a sandwich that won’t suck water and will get no deck dents.

Since this pic was taken I’ve waxed it and put 5 sessions in east Vicco on it. Very very happy with it.

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wheres ya suitWalking Garbage Can

 MrJ ........  that attitude (I'll be fine, so stuff everyone else) is the problem exactly .  It's a reflection of who you are ,and how you live.........

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  MrJ ,Aussie eps does not suck water and used correctly does not result in deck dents....same as quality p/u boards . ST's have sacrificed performance for strength , but they still crease and ding. Repairs cost twice as much and 3 times as long

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g'day Kayu, I am happy to be corrected although I know for sure its not all in this category. So where can we get this Aussie fused cell EPS?

the twin fin McCoy you did the wood for looks really nice - is it a sandwich? As you probably know I like the sandwich construction, I really enjoyed riding the McCoy nugget I borrowed from my mate (it was a tufflite).

I know why you are trying to put surftech down, you are in the industry and in fear of losing your job to imports. I do understand what job insecurity feels like. But all the slanging of the competition thats going on this thread really doesn't look good. I'm sure there are BASE lurkers following this too who won't be happy. There are better ways of facing the competition, build a unique/better board and the results will speak for themself.

what you produced looked really unique, I'm sure you will be fine.

 

[/quote] ........What's this crap ?....divide and conquer strategy........I don't like ST's because they take money from the pockets of hardworking people and put it in the pocket's of people that don't need it and don't earn it !!!!!............end of story

MrJ...if you liked the tuff-lite nugget,just think how good a real one would perform !!!!

yes I genuinely had a lot of fun trying it over the Easter break earlier this year. If I ever get a chance to ride a PU/PE one I will although probably I won’t get the opportunity. The nugget really is a brilliant blend of extreme features which all balance themselves out. Riding the nugget was one of the most informative things I have ever done - it wasn’t until the nugget experience that I understood the role of its opposite (the concaved HP shortboard).

You didn’t answer my question about where to get the Aussie fused cell EPS, if the source is a trade secret then fair enough, but how about letting us know which manufacturers use it?

I guess its time to add my two cents worth.

I’ve been surfing for over 30 years now and have owned well over a hundred boards in that time.

I have bought numerous boards, both custom and off-the-rack from the very best Australian shapers and board builders. There were good and great boards, but in the pursuit of a reasonable weight I had to give up durability. I don’t want to ride a 2 sixes on the deck and a six on the bottom. All the lighter boards didn’t last long:  twelve months and they were pretty well worthless as a trade.

Originally from Cronulla, I moved to Perth, Western Australia in 1990. The virtually non-existant surf in Perth led to me taking up windsurfing as well as continuing with surfing. I rode custom PU wave boards at Margaret River and up north. Initially custom PU were used by 95% of wave riders, but various forms of EPS/epoxy boards started to appear.

For a couple of years there were lots of problems with them as various forms of construction were tried out. Finally, a rock solid construction method, EPS with a vacuum bagged Divinycell layer, solved all these problems.

At that time I continued to advocate the custom PU as the best solution and became one of the last holdouts for this construction. But finally I tried an epoxy. I was hugely impressed with the performance and durability, and never purchased a PU wave board after that. Despite the fact that you could buy a custom PU for only $750 when an epoxy was $1500.

These boards were so strong and so light that I started to think why weren’t there any epoxy sandwich surfboards available. I put the question to Marty Littlewood at Delta Designs (still one of the best surf and sailboard builders in Margaret River) and he said sure he could do me an epoxy sandwich surfboard. Problem was price. He figured it would nearly take as much labour and materials to do the surfboard as it would a sailboard, a little less on materials, so would do a custom surfboard for $1200. This is in about 1994, way to much for me at that time.

But I figured it was only a matter of time before someone started manufacturing epoxy sandwich surfboards

Meanwhile one of the better sailboard manufactures was Seatrend. An American company owned by Randy French. I came across one of his early wood veneer surfboards a few years later and bought it immediately. Since then (over 10 years ago) I have not owned another PU board: epoxy sandwich boards are so much lighter and stronger. I have boards that I have taken to Indonesia every year for the last 6 years. They have done lots of Indonesion internal flights as well, plus boat trips and have been piled on the top of buses. People still think that I have bought then new for the most recent surf trip. I could still get 70% of their original cost as a trade in.

So I can buy a new Surftech for about $1000, ride it for 2-6 years, and still get $700 as a trade in. I have bought and traded at least 30 epoxy boards over the last 10 years and never lost more than 30% of the purchase price.

So are Surftechs overpriced? Absolutely. Surf shops here in Perth are getting epoxy sandwich boards of the same quality as Surftech made in Asia and are selling them for half the price of Surftech.

In my opinion PU manufactures who complain about Surftech have got it wrong. Its Surftech that is maintaining an artificially high price for epoxy sandwich surfboards and so allowing PU construction to maintain market share. Think about what would happen if Surftech halved their prices.

Sure they are made in Asia as the labour is cheaper there, what isn’t nowadays. But here in Australia custom builders can still compete with Surftech prices, but where are the Australian epoxy sandwich shapers. I used to buy some Bert Burgers boards when they were made in WA. Speedneedle, who posts here, offered me a competive price for an epoxy sandwich. Trouble is he’s in Victoria and I’m in Western Australia, so shipping adds a hefty premium, plus I really like to talk to the shaper and look at his boards before buying a custom.

Enjoy whatever you ride,

Dave

 

Sorry if this sounds harsh.

But honestly (4 what its worth)
people who ride these ST’s things get No respect from more people then
just me there marked men at my local, and get walked all over in the surf. I get
angary when I see em. (And I’m a busy shaper), Don’t overly give a shit
right now about the work i’m missing out on, but where will this shit
lead? I know ligit shapers around are hurting because of em.

Not to mention the pain that the big clothing companies are causing for YOUR
(Thats right he’s there for you) GURU LOCAL SHAPER, buy squeezing them
out of the surf shops in order for the shops to retain there clothing
labels in their store. I’ve been pushed out of 3 shops because of the
big 3 cloth companies putting there sticker another mans work.  Fuck
its all messed up! That’s even more of a reason to SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL
SHAPER.

 …So buy a ST or a cheaply made label board that is giving
traditionally made PU boards a bad name, cause it’ll fall apart in a
month or two… GO TO YOUR LOCAL SHAPER, HE WANTS YOUR BUSINESS SO HE
WILL BUILD THE BEST QUALITY BOARD SO YOU’LL COME BACK. And you might
just learn something from him too.

I’ve ridden a TL2 and I personally didn’t like it. Either, did
the young lad that owned it, it was strong however. When I punched it,
only a few dints… nar I didn’t punch it!

Decipher all the crap, what type of surfer are you and who do you want to support.

 

Dave,

regarding communication with Speedneedle - I suppose its the nature of the job I do (software), but I’m more comfortable with communicating via email - I find it more precise and dimensions get specified for future reference and my email experience with Josh was a lot more communicative than say the verbal one I had with a Santa Cruz shaper who had trouble reading email! I even got some “in the shaping bay” text message questions on my mobile to confirm things while I was at work.

cheers,

Mike

im here to defend a little of Mr J 

Having posted back and forth in threads with mr j for a long time now i know you to be a pretty fair and open guy. i remember the sandwich/alt material builds you did along time before bert came here and changed the game…

 you may not be a pro in the industry but you have a good overview. you have close friends who are deep in the thick of the industry.

 as far as all i have said on this tread i want too qualify a couple of things. i firmly believe WELL BUILT pu boards are too cheap. 

 i used BASE as example of choices that can be made regarding price and quality. i wrote of the previous market damage to thier brand of producing inferior quality & also believe the current product seems better than before. 

  from what i have had to do with shapers who have a surftech model, they are busier than they  ever were. the branding and market reach has taken thier shape to places it wasnt accesible before. the onflow of work has grown thier business in std pu much bigger too!

 as if it is not obvious by my boards i like to keep things unique, both in shapes, sprays etc.

imports dont really affect me at all except i cant have a cheapo brand to train someone to shape making minimals etc…

 mr J has chosen board shapes that he can relate to knowing that others can benchmark the same shapes in other places

 & if you visit any of the shapers that have a surftech model, thier custom made pu are more expensive than the surftechs on thier racks