Ok so I’m not a shaper, I’m just a surfer I tryed this once before but no one had anything to say about it. I have now found that CJ Nelson is riding one. This is a nose rider with a 12 inch tail. The tail looks like a U it has a lot of kick in the tail. I’m very interested in this board, but I’m not so sure how or why it works. It is in Oct 2002 longboard Mag. Page 72 item E. Can someone talk to me about this board. I do not like the Arrow shop for reasons I do not care to talk about, so I can’t go there. Help.
h Hey bagman. I am no expert but I can offer what little I know. Bob and CJ have been known to experiment with noseriders, and with CJ’s ability Bob has an excellent test pilot. Last I heard Bob believed in WIDE noses, say 20". I have also seen extreme tail kick in a couple boards Bob shaped for CJ, almost to the point it looks like a skateboard tail. I guess now (I’ve been out of the east side loop for awhile) Bob is experimenting with WIDE tails as well. The wide nose and tail are meant to increase surface area, and the tail kick slows the board when noseriding. Both lead to longer noserides. He is probably also turning the rail up in the tail (hence the U shape, meant to increase water wrap around the tail to conter-balance the guy on the nose) and down in the nose. Nose concave? Big single fin. As far as I know these concepts were done in the Late '60’s noseriders. From the way you describe CJ’s board, I bet it noserides like crazy but would be quite difficult to turn anything more than short, pivot-style turns. Then again, CJ flat out rips anything and he is probably powering the thing all over the place. Hope this helps- smiley
Remember the Con Ugly it was a great nose rider at a perfect point. Try and ride a bigger beach break with one they suck… Wide tails hold well when the wave is breaking over the tail allowing you to camp on the nose. I would guess they add a bit more tail rocker and roll edge in the tail to allow for turnning. Anytime i played with wide tankers they only really worked in smaller good surf. When the waves get bigger the width screwed with turning and trim… Not a good all around board design… But thats just what i think… http://surfnwsc.com
Speaking of which…are boards built with nose riding (“in mind”) as their KEY feature (generally) “poorer” paddling boards? I know that this is not ALWAYS the case (rockers, volume, and the pushing of H20 being of issue), but is this “stereotypic”?! T.
The wide concave nose creates upward pressure and supports a lot of weight. The tail rocker and belly literally suck the tail down. On noseriders with a “U” tail block, the deck is actually concave and water flowing over the rail creates downward pressure in the concave. At a price when it comes to all around performance of course.
Thinks for the information guys. I was told by a shapper about 10 years ago. “If you want a true noserider, that is all you are going to get”. In other words they are good for one thing and one thing only, as a everyday board they suck.