Your failure, is not being able to respond to stimulation, intended to make you think. Now, if you find it too painfull to think, don’t read anything I post. You’ll be so much happier. Or, rather than lurking and whineing, go figure it out. Your desire to know something, in no way obligates me to reveal it to you.
I’d like to highlight that Bill is really willing to tell people, but he’s just making a game of it.
Which is really interesting, since there are a lot different materials posted in this thread, so it stimulates looking around you and looking at the different options.
So play the game along and you’ll understand!
Quite an impressive hammer test! I’m not sure ‘‘T-Cloth’’ could perform as well. That said, I’ve not seen it in a vac bag and epoxy application, only hand lam poly. However, Dyneema seems like it would be hard to beat.
This is the same guy that I mentioned using H-glass.
He is really experimental in materials and shapes (he makes very weird noses). But he is a highly respected shaper in the windsurfing world, a lot of people love his shapes.
Also note that these are compsands, windsurfing switched to compsands years ago and is the standard since long.
If you like hammer tests, then you’ll like mine. I use the pointy end 
EPS test sample
Only ultra thick composit with poly resin can give some performance to hammer test. To perform to impact you need elongation capability of composit, at 2% poly lack a lot. For repeat impact resistance best results with thermoplastic composits + good abrasion resistance for some.
I’m also a huge fan of dyneemas impact properties however due to it’s poor bonding with epoxy it kinda floats in the resin and the fibers delaminate quite easily from the matrix with impact. It can take a beating and not pierce but it’s mechanical properties will suffer afterwards. Flame treatment is difficult on a woven mat…
Compression strength is virtually non-existant from the start as well due to the poor bond.
Can be used successfully (witchcraft has done it) but I believe it requires some unconventional thought to really exploit the awesomeness of this fabric… it’s closer to 3X lighter than glass density 0.91 vs 2.56 for glass.
Diolen sounds very similar. I have only had to deal with it once or twice and you have to treat it like Kevlar. It comes in clear of black.
http://www.ecfibreglasssupplies.co.uk/p-1679-265g-diolen-950mm-wide.aspx
…you can talk all day about this and other fiber but in the end, all types of construction were are and will be fucked by a wave or another; so, still we have the possibility to build a nice board with clear fibers and polyestr resin, because art is ok too; weaker? yes, nicer? yes; I repeat, in the end all these other fibers are gimmicks for a surfboard and also looks ugly.
What s happened to the great firewires and surftechs? nobody cares in the surf shop used racks…looks bad, heavy and ugly, no one ding repair them right.
No add anything in the performance.
All this race to have the stronger/lighter board is useless; the waves have more power and extremely light boards are bad like extremely heavy ones.
Reverb, sorry to be so blunt, but that was about the dumbest post I’ve ever read about using different fabrics. Have you seen my builds posted on the modern laminates thread? Fiberglass free. You think they are all ugly?
Reverb, I re read your post, and am shaking my head even more. Add nothing to performance? Parabolic carbon rails, done in multiple layers to manage flex/ stiffness is far better than a simple wood stringer running down the middle.
they aren’t entirely in line with traditional surfboard aesthetics
Reverb,
If you need help using alternate materials, and making them attractive, P.M. me… Maybe I can give some tips. See how the fusion box looks kind of yellow? That’s actually the camera color balancing, because the fabrics I use are so brilliant white. The Fusion box looks yellow by comparison.
…hello Everysurfer, you know that I like to drop a bomb from time to time…
Im not trying to disregard your and other types of build, my point is more in the durability factor; I mean, no matter what fiber you choose when the big wave attack the boards are all fucked, so I prefer to keep the classic lamination due the artistic possibilities and the performance is what most other construction types try to achieve.
I said my opinion several times in all these years about design; the design could change or would be the day that new materials arrive; still do not see new materials so fatigue in the classic materials is the problem, hence my appreciation about all these materials do not make a surfboards extremely strong and an outstanding performer.
You know the last clip posted about surfing in that peanut board was somewhat poor and some member commented about the near pro level of one of the riders! man, I surf that way and Im an average good surfer with thousand miles less rides than most youngsters than do not work only surf; so a real pro can do whatever in a wave with the classic equipment.
Ok, what about the big guy average joe; well those guys do not enhance any aspect (performance wise) with these fibers and still they can have a board that do not looks so beautiful.
There is no fabric or cloth that can equal wood…it was there in the beginning , and it’s still here. Nothing so far has been invented that can replace it.
Wood can be magic, but it’s oh so difficult to get consistent results.
That’s probably why craftsman love wood and production lines hate it.
Wood is a natural composite.
Yup, nothing can equal wood… That’s why they still make airplanes from it. And space ships,too… My dentist still makes teeth from it. Why just yesterday I was watching the Australian Open tennis tournament, and I was amazed by all the wood tennis racquets out there. Yup, nothing will ever match good old fashioned wood for light weight strength… No need for ballistic nylon ,Kevlar and such in military armor. Why the Samauri got along fine with wooden armor. If it was good enough for them, it should be good enough for our brave soldiers.
a typical half arsed answer coming from you’’
wood fiber and nylon will match any other fiber if put together in the right sequence
**you should listen to reverb
its the cosmetics that count at the turnstile**
I’ve got my cosmetics worked out. If you are still having trouble working with nylon and having them come out attractive, P.M. me with your questions, and maybe I can give you some help
…maybe should register on a space ship forum or a dental forum ?