“Before I bought my first McCoy I had read all of Solosurfer’s (the
other chap) posts about them, and I think he has done more for Geoff’s
business interests (exposure) than Geoff could ever possibly repay. I
personally thought the post from Geoff was petty and only appeared
after someone else had done all the heavy lifting for his business
interests in the U.S. If Marc can be made a saint,so could Solo (Noel)”
Monosurfer, I would have to agree with that!
Dave
Geoff’s hero worshipping lap dogs just won’t quit in spite of knowing absolutely nothing about what they are talking about. There has been no misrepresentation. There is no further need to defend myself. It’s all there way back in the archives here. There is one person who has been paranoid, egotistical and untruthful or…misinformed in this entire episode and it’s not Greg Pautsch or I. There are mods and others close to the situation who know some of the truth. The rest appear to be love struck fools attempting to gain brownie points.
Yes…I do plan to continue to use G.P. as the relationship goes back a long way and he is one of the best shapers and folk in this business. Again…a long history and none here know a thing about it. He has been doing the label since the late seventies.
BTW: For someone claiming to have invented or reinvented certain things…I see little credit given to obvious influences. Hence the Cheyne picture from 87 when the claim for the Nugget outline was early 90’s…the Hobie logo, the Velzy and other things. So what? His contributions are what they are and there have been many. Some of you need to just start believing there is NO conspiracy or anyone attempting to hurt the non contributor to swaylocks in question, ride his coat tails or harm him in any way. Just a bunch of Hooey.
Does any of this matter? I still believe in the design and it’s a fact that most folks in America are not going to pay the price to get the boards done in Australia because of the dollars involved. It’s also a fact that the name in question get’s lot’s of free publicity here by lap dogs starting arguments that don’t matter. I have posted thousands of post here on various subject and contributed to this forum which serves the surf community around the world well as a platform. There is tons of information here.
I see no reason for this being a stage for folks whose only contribution is spam or stir up trouble. Heck…I don’t mind criticism either if it’s well thought out and written…but it’s best to bring facts rather than innuendo. I don’t see Simon whinning about folks copying him or others being out to get him and etc. The threads don’t need to be locked…the trouble makers need to be banned and post that are off subject deleted with a warning.
BTW: Drifter: Quit attempting to ruin the surfers stoke who posted his board here. He has no part in any of this until you came on with your B.S. on that thread.
Slander: a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report.
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No doubting solosurfer has been a loud voice for geoff mccoy surfboards. We have all read pages of glowing tributes to Geoff mccoy and his surfboards written by solo . The trouble seems to be from what i have read on swaylocks, the guy has misrepresented him self and his mccoy connection and seemingly promoted his own boards and the boards shaped by greg pautsch . Have a look at the my new nugget thread there are pictures of a surfboard that is a complete Geoff mccoy copy from start to finish, spray ,decal, and all . i wonder does he or greg send mr mccoy a cheque or at least a thankyou or even a xmas card as gratitude for the revenue they raise selling boards under the mccoy label.
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Interesting, again no one knows what they are talking about. I a sure you drifter GP and Solo have done more good for Geoff than the present cheerleading squad now here on Sways. You talk about copying, GP had come up with alot of the color ideas then in the 70's and now you call him a copier of his own ideas, LOL I was there in the 70's with GP. Funny guy, but I am not going to waste time with all this crap again. Just wanted to say to those who follow this, that Sways is a place to share and help and support our surf community, those who miss use this forum with slanderous information should be BAND. I hope the modes are following this. Mahalo, Larry
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No doubting solosurfer has been a loud voice for geoff mccoy surfboards. We have all read pages of glowing tributes to Geoff mccoy and his surfboards written by solo . The trouble seems to be from what i have read on swaylocks, the guy has misrepresented him self and his mccoy connection and seemingly promoted his own boards and the boards shaped by greg pautsch . Have a look at the my new nugget thread there are pictures of a surfboard that is a complete Geoff mccoy copy from start to finish, spray ,decal, and all . i wonder does he or greg send mr mccoy a cheque or at least a thankyou or even a xmas card as gratitude for the revenue they raise selling boards under the mccoy label.
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Geoff's hero worshipping lap dogs just won't quit in spite of knowing absolutely nothing about what they are talking about. There has been no misrepresentation. There is no further need to defend myself. It's all there way back in the archives here. There is one person who has been paranoid, egotistical and untruthful or..misinformed in this entire episode and it's not Greg Pautsch or I. There are mods and others close to the situation who know some of the truth. The rest appear to be love struck fools attempting to gain brownie points.
Yes...I do plan to continue to use G.P. as the relationship goes back a long way and he is one of the best shapers and folk in this business. Again...a long history and none here know a thing about it. He has been doing the label since the late seventies.
BTW: For someone claiming to have invented or reinvented certain things...I see little credit given to obvious influences. Hence the Cheyne picture from 87 when the claim for the Nugget outline was early 90's..the Hobie logo, the Velzy and other things. So what? His contributions are what they are and there have been many. Some of you need to just start believing there is NO conspiracy or anyone attempting to hurt the non contributor to swaylocks in question, ride his coat tails or harm him in any way. Just a bunch of Hooey.
Does any of this matter? I still believe in the design and it's a fact that most folks in America are not going to pay the price to get the boards done in Australia because of the dollars involved. It's also a fact that the name in question get's lot's of free publicity here by lap dogs starting arguments that don't matter. I have posted thousands of post here on various subject and contributed to this forum which serves the surf community around the world well as a platform. There is tons of information here.
I see no reason for this being a stage for folks whose only contribution is spam or stir up trouble. Heck..I don't mind criticism either if it's well thought out and written..but it's best to bring facts rather than innuendo. I don't see Simon whinning about folks copying him or others being out to get him and etc. The threads don't need to be locked...the trouble makers need to be banned and post that are off subject deleted with a warning.
BTW: Drifter: Quit attempting to ruin the surfers stoke who posted his board here. He has no part in any of this until you came on with your B.S. on that thread.
Slander: a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report.
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So i guess just insult anyone that dares to question you , then attempt to derail the debate by by going on about simmon. So i by that logic the connection we can draw is everyone rips of simmon so it's alright for you to rip off mr mccoy . As for the guy that bought the mccoy replica well he obviously got a good board just not really a mccoy ... it's a pautsch ..
write what you want, Insult me as much as you feel the need but the only people you are fooling is your unsuspecting customers
Oh i remind the swaylocks readers have a look at the statement from geoff mccoy in the industry talk section. I think that makes it all very clear.
This is between Geoff and Noel. I am stoked to ride either’s boards and can tell you THERE IS NO OPERATIVE DIFFERENCE. So everybody just relax and have a good surf on whatever the f*ck you feel like riding. Drifter - please give Geoff a ring and ask him to kindly reply to his potential US customers. He might get a lot more respect that way. Hell, I just wanted to spend roughly $4000 with the man, but not replying to me was his choice and that money ended up going to some other fine craftsmen in this country (Not just Noel’s shapers but the likes of JP, Gene, Stamps, Harbour etc.). They were all stoked to work with me and talk boards and make me some of the finest riders I could ask for. As far as Geoff’s post - you, and most others here, only know half the story. Let it go and let those of us who ride BOTH Geoff’s boards and Noel’s boards have fun talking about them. Christ, you and your ilk are such stoke killers. I used to love this forum and reading what people had to say. Especially about McCoys. I own my Geoff shaped McCoy BECAUSE of Noel. Hell, I ride the design BECAUSE of Noel. If Geoff had the decency to reply to just one of my many emails, I would have bought four or five of HIS boards BECAUSE of Noel. Matter of fact, the only reason I know Geoff McCoy’s NAME is BECAUSE of Noel. That’s how far his rep had sunk in this country since his heydey - nobody knew anymore except when they read some obscure article somewhere. But, largely BECAUSE Noel has been so vocal about McCoy for the last decade, the guy is becoming marginally relevant again. When I first talked to Noel, he actually pushed me toward ordering from Geoff; how does that line his pockets? I took his advice and emailed Geoff. And again. And again. And again. And again. Finally, frustrated and disillusioned with another “typical lack of service” shaper, I returned to Noel and ordered a board. Which I received in three weeks.
Your the man Ripcurl869. You are to surfboards what Jay Leno is to cars and if you ever need some McCoys I will send you the required amount for a nice vintage Pepsi GMT (if I'm not banned for not hating Solo)
Anyway, continue fighting.....
Hiya Cuttlefish,
Took this board with me to Indonesia. I normally ride a 7’ McCoy Surftech and have wanted a smaller version but the 6’6 Surftech is a bit small for me. I loved this MCoy Inspired 6’8 x 17.5 x 21.5. Shaper did not attempt the loaded dome bit just did a flat to shallow V.
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By the way I live in Perth and priced a McCoy custom 7’ no gloss, no spay, single, it was $1350 including freight. I don’t think so.
I’ve ridden McCoys on and off for more than 20 years. First McCoy was in 1983, a 6’2 single lazor zap that was owned by Kingsley Looker (a highly placed pro-surfer, if anyone remembers him). Then had a 5’10 lazor zap thruster, with the full checked spray… that would be worth something now.
I only rode the pictured board as a quad, way better thabn a thruster. It always seems to me that the nuggets where crying out to be fitted with a quad fin setup, and after having it done to my 7’11 Surftech and the 6’8 I can confirm that they really rip as quads.
Dave
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By the way I live in Perth and priced a McCoy custom 7' no gloss, no spay, single, it was $1350 including freight. I don't think so.
I've ridden McCoys on and off for more than 20 years. First McCoy was in 1983, a 6'2 single lazor zap that was owned by Kingsley Looker (a highly placed pro-surfer, if anyone remembers him). Then had a 5'10 lazor zap thruster, with the full checked spray... that would be worth something now.
I only rode the pictured board as a quad, way better thabn a thruster. It always seems to me that the nuggets where crying out to be fitted with a quad fin setup, and after having it done to my 7'11 Surftech and the 6'8 I can confirm that they really rip as quads.
Dave
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One of my shapers agrees with you and I rode an 18'' tail Quad Lazor Zap style all through the early ninties ( full checked ha ). The wide tails seem to beg to have four fins stuck on them. I like them both clustered together on the rail like a twin and with the rear fins more centered close to the stringer like the old Quatros. Nice board you pictured by the way. Your shaper did a great job. I have one that I used to sell out of my stores back in the mid ninties with a bump squash tail that really peps them up a bit also. Pivot off those corners with the wide tail. We used a double concave on those that were almost like channels running close together through the tail as opposed to a big spoon like concave. I still like them single though. Once you get used to using the rails as opposed to tossing the board off the fins it's a great feeling.
Ha! Jay Leno of surfboards. Maybe so? I do love a beautiful, exquisitely crafted board and most of my boards are absolutely functional works of art. I guess I am not Leno, though, as I had to look up “Pepsi GMT.” That’s a fine looking watch! Pretty reasonable for a vintage Rolex, too. When I was a teenager (long ago) I used to work at a dive shop in Bermuda (my native country) and we had a guy come in who had been slalom skiing and the catch on his $10K Rolex had undone in the water and the watch came off. He was hoping we could go out and dive for it. It was hard to tell him there was no way we’d find it. He was practically in tears. I guess I would’ve been too!
RIPCURLl869 (a.k.a Jay) .. I noticed that one of your boards was a John Peck Penetrator. What an awesome board. I have ridden John Pecks own Penetrator....that doesn't sound right... anyway it was the one he sold to Retro Groove at Kirra, I think Bystrom owned the shop and it was after the movie he did with Joel Tudor. The guy that bought it owns a mint Lance Carson and Bob Cooper Blue Machine as well as many others. Its known as the 'God board' because it has mystical / religious stuff written neatly up and down both stringers and is super trick yet sort of home made at the same time, almost negative nose lift like a concord.
Anyway I am off topic so enjoy all your boards mate !
Cheers
[quote="$1"] Have a look at the my new nugget thread there are pictures of a surfboard that is a complete Geoff mccoy copy from start to finish, spray ,decal, and all . [/quote]
I'm just curious: What makes it a copy?
Assuming that 1. Greg Pautsch worked side by side with Geoff McCoy, shaping this same board design to Geoff's satisfaction and 2. Noel does have a contract with McCoy, allowing him to sell American-shaped boards with the McCoy logo and 3. Noel provides a royalty check to McCoy for each board he sells with the McCoy logo...
....assuming these three points are true (just for argument's sake), is it still a "copy"?
Thanks, Ray.
All this commercial talk reminding me of work..ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Shaping the loaded dome would be tricky unless the exact dims where passed on I think. Has anyone had a go and how did it work out?
Ray all this BS doesn’t really matter what does matter is you have a great board shaped by a great craftsmen. I have a copy of a Nugget (shaped by another Shaper) and no it doesn’t have a McCoy logo on it, but I assure you it is an exact replica of the (Real McCoy), it’s definately different from anything else I’ve had in my quiver to date. I can see why there is such a love/hate relationship with this style board, I hope you are stoked on your’s, make sure you give a ride report on the thread you started, and don’t pay attention to the hater’s.
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Ray all this BS doesn't really matter what does matter is you have a great board shaped by a great craftsmen. I have a copy of a Nugget (shaped by another Shaper) and no it doesn't have a McCoy logo on it, but I assure you it is an exact replica of the (Real McCoy), it's definately different from anything else I've had in my quiver to date. I can see why there is such a love/hate relationship with this style board, I hope you are stoked on your's, make sure you give a ride report on the thread you started, and don't pay attention to the hater's.
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Gr8day..a bunch of us are planning a get together in December in Central Florida. You should try and make it. Ray you also. I must first get my arse back into the oil water and get tuned up so as not to look bad after a five month lay off. Good point.
Ray...as things stand...I just get that label from G.P. He and the person in question had a previous agreement other than mine and the details are between them. I don't know what those are. Nor do I want to. Nor do I care. I trust Greg. If the person in question has an issue with that he knows how to contact G.P. He is certainly one of the best shapers I have ever been around as you can see.
Can't wait to hear a ride report on your board.
We should let the Astron Zot guys have their thread back after it was derailed.
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No doubting solosurfer has been a loud voice for geoff mccoy surfboards. We have all read pages of glowing tributes to Geoff mccoy and his surfboards written by solo . The trouble seems to be from what i have read on swaylocks, the guy has misrepresented him self and his mccoy connection and seemingly promoted his own boards and the boards shaped by greg pautsch . Have a look at the my new nugget thread there are pictures of a surfboard that is a complete Geoff mccoy copy from start to finish, spray ,decal, and all . i wonder does he or greg send mr mccoy a cheque or at least a thankyou or even a xmas card as gratitude for the revenue they raise selling boards under the mccoy label.
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Geoff's hero worshipping lap dogs just won't quit in spite of knowing absolutely nothing about what they are talking about. There has been no misrepresentation. There is no further need to defend myself. It's all there way back in the archives here. There is one person who has been paranoid, egotistical and untruthful or..misinformed in this entire episode and it's not Greg Pautsch or I. There are mods and others close to the situation who know some of the truth. The rest appear to be love struck fools attempting to gain brownie points.
Yes...I do plan to continue to use G.P. as the relationship goes back a long way and he is one of the best shapers and folk in this business. Again...a long history and none here know a thing about it. He has been doing the label since the late seventies.
BTW: For someone claiming to have invented or reinvented certain things...I see little credit given to obvious influences. Hence the Cheyne picture from 87 when the claim for the Nugget outline was early 90's..the Hobie logo, the Velzy and other things. So what? His contributions are what they are and there have been many. Some of you need to just start believing there is NO conspiracy or anyone attempting to hurt the non contributor to swaylocks in question, ride his coat tails or harm him in any way. Just a bunch of Hooey.
Does any of this matter? I still believe in the design and it's a fact that most folks in America are not going to pay the price to get the boards done in Australia because of the dollars involved. It's also a fact that the name in question get's lot's of free publicity here by lap dogs starting arguments that don't matter. I have posted thousands of post here on various subject and contributed to this forum which serves the surf community around the world well as a platform. There is tons of information here.
I see no reason for this being a stage for folks whose only contribution is spam or stir up trouble. Heck..I don't mind criticism either if it's well thought out and written..but it's best to bring facts rather than innuendo. I don't see Simon whinning about folks copying him or others being out to get him and etc. The threads don't need to be locked...the trouble makers need to be banned and post that are off subject deleted with a warning.
BTW: Drifter: Quit attempting to ruin the surfers stoke who posted his board here. He has no part in any of this until you came on with your B.S. on that thread.
Slander: a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report.
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So i guess just insult anyone that dares to question you , then attempt to derail the debate by by going on about simmon. So i by that logic the connection we can draw is everyone rips of simmon so it's alright for you to rip off mr mccoy . As for the guy that bought the mccoy replica well he obviously got a good board just not really a mccoy ... it's a pautsch ..
write what you want, Insult me as much as you feel the need but the only people you are fooling is your unsuspecting customers
Oh i remind the swaylocks readers have a look at the statement from geoff mccoy in the industry talk section. I think that makes it all very clear.
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Alrighty then...you sure showed me and I'm sure everyone here on swaylocks feels indebted to you for bringing out all this secret information about my character. I hope you get your brownie points when you report in. It's a dead issue. I don't have McCoys produced. I simply sell them the way I always did through my shops with the same person most here in America have associated with that label for years. I have no more association with the person in question and wish him nothing but the best. If the person in question and G.P. make some other arrangements in the future..that will be fine also.
Solo just so the conspiracy voices in your head do
Just letting you know i have never discussed you or swaylocks with geoff mcoy . i have no idea what he tn't keep you awake at night .
hinks about you and what is written here and see no need to report to anyone.
i have been reading sways for a lot longer then actually contributeing you were the dominating voice on all things mccoy when i read the
STATEMENT FROM GEOFF MCCOY in the industry talk section you lost all credibilty in my eyes. and now that your love affair has ended you start to attempt to diminsh mr mccoys desigin imput but still sell surfboards under the mcccoy label kinda rubs me the wrong way
Getting back to my original question i asked earlier do you or mr pautsch send mr mcoy a cheque or even a thankyou note....... sometimes
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[quote="$1"] Have a look at the my new nugget thread there are pictures of a surfboard that is a complete Geoff mccoy copy from start to finish, spray ,decal, and all . [/quote]
I'm just curious: What makes it a copy?
Assuming that 1. Greg Pautsch worked side by side with Geoff McCoy, shaping this same board design to Geoff's satisfaction and 2. Noel does have a contract with McCoy, allowing him to sell American-shaped boards with the McCoy logo and 3. Noel provides a royalty check to McCoy for each board he sells with the McCoy logo...
....assuming these three points are true (just for argument's sake), is it still a "copy"?
Thanks, Ray.
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point 1 . Geoff mccoy probably hasn't been to America in 20 years to my knowledge so that rules out that and i have never heard of G.P. in australia in that time shapeing with geoff mccoy but to be fair i don"t follow either man around
point 2. check the STATEMENT FROM GEOFF MCCOY in the INDUSTRY TALK section
point 3 . does noel /solo send a check to mr mccoy or even a xmas card we are still waiting for the answer
sorry buddy but is a stradivarius really a stradivarius if someone else makes a violin and says it is
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No doubting solosurfer has been a loud voice for geoff mccoy surfboards. We have all read pages of glowing tributes to Geoff mccoy and his surfboards written by solo . The trouble seems to be from what i have read on swaylocks, the guy has misrepresented him self and his mccoy connection and seemingly promoted his own boards and the boards shaped by greg pautsch . Have a look at the my new nugget thread there are pictures of a surfboard that is a complete Geoff mccoy copy from start to finish, spray ,decal, and all . i wonder does he or greg send mr mccoy a cheque or at least a thankyou or even a xmas card as gratitude for the revenue they raise selling boards under the mccoy label.
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Geoff's hero worshipping lap dogs just won't quit in spite of knowing absolutely nothing about what they are talking about. There has been no misrepresentation. There is no further need to defend myself. It's all there way back in the archives here. There is one person who has been paranoid, egotistical and untruthful or..misinformed in this entire episode and it's not Greg Pautsch or I. There are mods and others close to the situation who know some of the truth. The rest appear to be love struck fools attempting to gain brownie points.
Yes...I do plan to continue to use G.P. as the relationship goes back a long way and he is one of the best shapers and folk in this business. Again...a long history and none here know a thing about it. He has been doing the label since the late seventies.
BTW: For someone claiming to have invented or reinvented certain things...I see little credit given to obvious influences. Hence the Cheyne picture from 87 when the claim for the Nugget outline was early 90's..the Hobie logo, the Velzy and other things. So what? His contributions are what they are and there have been many. Some of you need to just start believing there is NO conspiracy or anyone attempting to hurt the non contributor to swaylocks in question, ride his coat tails or harm him in any way. Just a bunch of Hooey.
Does any of this matter? I still believe in the design and it's a fact that most folks in America are not going to pay the price to get the boards done in Australia because of the dollars involved. It's also a fact that the name in question get's lot's of free publicity here by lap dogs starting arguments that don't matter. I have posted thousands of post here on various subject and contributed to this forum which serves the surf community around the world well as a platform. There is tons of information here.
I see no reason for this being a stage for folks whose only contribution is spam or stir up trouble. Heck..I don't mind criticism either if it's well thought out and written..but it's best to bring facts rather than innuendo. I don't see Simon whinning about folks copying him or others being out to get him and etc. The threads don't need to be locked...the trouble makers need to be banned and post that are off subject deleted with a warning.
BTW: Drifter: Quit attempting to ruin the surfers stoke who posted his board here. He has no part in any of this until you came on with your B.S. on that thread.
Slander: a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report.
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So i guess just insult anyone that dares to question you , then attempt to derail the debate by by going on about simmon. So i by that logic the connection we can draw is everyone rips of simmon so it's alright for you to rip off mr mccoy . As for the guy that bought the mccoy replica well he obviously got a good board just not really a mccoy ... it's a pautsch ..
write what you want, Insult me as much as you feel the need but the only people you are fooling is your unsuspecting customers
Oh i remind the swaylocks readers have a look at the statement from geoff mccoy in the industry talk section. I think that makes it all very clear.
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Alrighty then...you sure showed me and I'm sure everyone here on swaylocks feels indebted to you for bringing out all this secret information about my character. I hope you get your brownie points when you report in. It's a dead issue. I don't have McCoys produced. I simply sell them the way I always did through my shops with the same person most here in America have associated with that label for years. I have no more association with the person in question and wish him nothing but the best. If the person in question and G.P. make some other arrangements in the future..that will be fine also.
Solo just so the conspiracy voices in your head do
Just letting you know i have never discussed you or swaylocks with geoff mcoy . i have no idea what he tn't keep you awake at night .
hinks about you and what is written here and see no need to report to anyone.
i have been reading sways for a lot longer then actually contributeing you were the dominating voice on all things mccoy when i read the
STATEMENT FROM GEOFF MCCOY in the industry talk section you lost all credibilty in my eyes. and now that your love affair has ended you start to attempt to diminsh mr mccoys desigin imput but still sell surfboards under the mcccoy label kinda rubs me the wrong way
Getting back to my original question i asked earlier do you or mr pautsch send mr mcoy a cheque or even a thankyou note....... sometimes
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Drifter I can barely read the drivel you are writing. Tune it up please.
Here is a question for you Drifter: Would it make a difference to you if you knew for certain I had a contract and all of my support has been genuine and went on years before any stupid contract? If you knew it existed...do you think someone like Geoff should live up to a signed contract? If not....what point are you trying to make since you appear to have made a judgment without knowing all the facts? Very little other than postive stuff has ever been written on the subject here until the last couple of months. There is no big agenda to get something off Geoff. I did it before I dealt with him and will continue to do boards without him. His has actually been a small part of what I do anyway as I have not been able to get them for a few years and only recently started getting them from G.P. again. Most of my interest and focus is on the two labels I do produce. Do you have some other personal problem you are not mentioning?
I have never diminished the Name in question design input. Where in the world would you get that idea? Just because I now challenge some of his overt claims on very minor details? I stand by all that I have written on him over the years. I still sell similar things and the one you are griping about because I still believe in the designs and also in the same spirit of the name in question...I still believe in experimenting. I don't believe only one shaper gets things right or just one design. I pretty much like it all.
[quote="$1"] Sorry to be a downer for you but concerning
point 1 . Geoff mccoy probably hasn't been to America in 20 years to my knowledge so that rules out that and i have never heard of G.P. in australia in that time shapeing with geoff mccoy but to be fair i don"t follow either man around
point 2. check the STATEMENT FROM GEOFF MCCOY in the INDUSTRY TALK section
point 3 . does noel /solo send a check to mr mccoy or even a xmas card we are still waiting for the answer
sorry buddy but is a stradivarius really a stradivarius if someone else makes a violin and says it is
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Thanks for the reply and I appreciate your fairness, however, you didn't answer the question. Please note my emphasized and repeated use of the word "assuming" in the question. I am in no way insisting that the points are fact. Will you provide a direct "yes" or "no" answer?
Thanks again, Ray
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Getting back to my original question i asked earlier do you or mr pautsch send mr mcoy a cheque or even a thankyou note....... sometimes
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One last answer to the only real direct question. It's my understanding that Geoff has been more than compensated in the past. Given what has happened to our deal and the money and time I have lost...he has been more than compensated by me and more than thanked. I on the other hand have been slandered publically and lost a chunk of time and money attempting to build something I was passionate about only to have someone spit directly in my face. Anything I might choose to do with that label now would be to regain some of the loss. What you don't understand is I am the one with the cards legally in black and white and considering the loss and slander... I have attempted to be a gentleman. My mistake. I should have simply been a hard nosed business person. Which is still an option I might add and were it not for other friendships. This should go away and customers can make up their own mind if they want to spend the money on the Oz. original or try something else from the may shapers out there doing similar designs.