Hey Greg thats a good point you add,do you have a way to figure the amount of planning area on a board,perhaps even the one in the file I posted?
What dims on the board he’s rockin in this clip, Ace ?
I like the move at 4.20 - long live backhand snaps !
7’3" by 23" by 3-1/2"
The “old guy” on the red board is 75 year old {at time of video} Jim “Mouse” Robb on a 9’er I shaped for him.
this is incredible silverneck, knowaloha, reverb, ace, gregg and jesus! thanks again! ive learned more about design on this this thread than i have my entire surfing life. im starting to think that i may want to try take a stab at shaping it myself. who knows! hey jesus... my regards to spanish house please? pretty good wave by fla. standards. http://youtu.be/KlU0Kjkmmtk
I keep getting a blank screen so here’s a file to look at.
Based on your statements this is what I reccomend. If you want to ride shorter this is what I would be the direction I would go. Sounds like you want to surf more lively?
You need the forward volume to support your girth. I pulled the tail block in and would do a swallow like 1.5" butt crack and go Tri-Fin (3 1/2" rear center fin, 11 1/4" back dot rear 1 1/4" from rail 1/4" Toe - 8 Degree Cant)
Have Fun Go Fast!
ACE and all these guys know there stuff and have suggusted a design based on their style of building boards.
I’m only thinking of performance base on your size.
Kind regards,
surfdig
A few month ago i started thinking a bit differently looking at the “new” stand up paddle trend.
We have some really very good sup-er here and it’s amazing to see how short and wide they can surf now.
Some guys will tell you: yeah, but the’ve got the paddle. Ok, but they don’t really use it all the time. And they can really surf.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IFoIcW-nbI
If you carrefully look at the fist wave of Peyo(red board-our local guy) you can see how lightly he’s using the paddle.
He could really surf without it.
Seeing this so many time , i thought it could be possible to surf shorter and wider than usual.
My problem was a bit different i’m 45 and 140lbs but i had some low back pain, and really need some foam.
Last years i thought i could longboard only.
But i really wanted to go shorter.
So i shaped a mini simmons 6’8 x 23 1/2 x 3, i surfed it all this winter and really had a blast.
So i went to 5’11x 17 1/2 22 7/8 x 16 1/2 X 3 1/4 and another 6’5 x17x 21 3/4 x 16x 3 more eggy.
The small one is perfect till head high, the longer one is very good till head an a half.
I’ve seen the new sup are in the 3 7/8 thick and 26 wide range.
The only problem here in europe is to have the PU blank for these sizes.
I may said that maybe your actual shape is not so good.
I don’t care about what the other guys are saying.(a fish has to be small, you are to short for these waves, this is a door, you have a too flat rocker, this is car park discussions, not surfing, IMO)
I only care about my habilities, and i refer only to the boards i’ve been surfing.
I’m only a small part time shaper, but i think any open mind experienced shaper could approve your ideas.
When i see how much pleasure i have to surf those small stubbies with my light weight, i always think about the heavier guys who cannot make a turn out of their under volumed boards.
Go thick and wide.
thank you surf ding. i look forward to sharing this link with my shaper friend!
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A few month ago i started thinking a bit differently looking at the "new" stand up paddle trend.
We have some really very good sup-er here and it's amazing to see how short and wide they can surf now.
Some guys will tell you: yeah, but the've got the paddle. Ok, but they don't really use it all the time. And they can really surf.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IFoIcW-nbI
If you carrefully look at the fist wave of Peyo(red board-our local guy) you can see how lightly he's using the paddle.
He could really surf without it.
Seeing this so many time , i thought it could be possible to surf shorter and wider than usual.
My problem was a bit different i'm 45 and 140lbs but i had some low back pain, and really need some foam.
Last years i thought i could longboard only.
But i really wanted to go shorter.
So i shaped a mini simmons 6'8 x 23 1/2 x 3, i surfed it all this winter and really had a blast.
So i went to 5'11x 17 1/2 22 7/8 x 16 1/2 X 3 1/4 and another 6'5 x17x 21 3/4 x 16x 3 more eggy.
The small one is perfect till head high, the longer one is very good till head an a half.
I've seen the new sup are in the 3 7/8 thick and 26 wide range.
The only problem here in europe is to have the PU blank for these sizes.
I may said that maybe your actual shape is not so good.
I don't care about what the other guys are saying.(a fish has to be small, you are to short for these waves, this is a door, you have a too flat rocker, this is car park discussions, not surfing, IMO)
I only care about my habilities, and i refer only to the boards i've been surfing.
I'm only a small part time shaper, but i think any open mind experienced shaper could approve your ideas.
When i see how much pleasure i have to surf those small stubbies with my light weight, i always think about the heavier guys who cannot make a turn out of their under volumed boards.
Go thick and wide.
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marmorino i think youre right! im gonna go thick, wide, and 6 or 7 inches shorter. thinned out rails, vee coming off the tail
Jesus, I use both AKU and BoardCad. I like BoardCad better because it has area and print full size templates with grid marks. But I have a mac and it sometimes has glitches w BC.
all the best
Hi Makakilo
Short and wide with volume makes sense to me. As a kind of large kneeboarder I've always had short and wide boards. Now their getting longer 6'0"-6'2"x24". I've seen guys out on big sups using them as regular surfboards. There are some really short ones by sup standards that might fit what your looking for. you might be able to rent it to try it out or get the dimensions off it for a staring point.
Aloha Hannya
You might want to consider talking to shaper Ben Aipa. I'm sure he can fix you up with something that would work for you. He may be kind of pricey though. You might also want to check out the dimensions of his Big Boy Stinger models on the Boardworks website as a point of reference.
All these little guys telling you what size you should ride!!! =-)
Although I’m not quite your size, I’m two inches taller but 35 pounds lighter, I’ve got a pretty good understanding of what works for bigger guys. If you purely scale up a little guy board made for a 160 pound surfer vs. 240 pound surfer you would need to increase the board by 50%. It doesn’t quite work like that because the wave size would have to increase by 50% also to keep it all relative.
That being said, bigger guys just aren’t as nimble as the little ones. Work with your advantage, don’t try to chase their advantage. Where they can do those “thwack wack” turns, as I heard Laird call them, you’ll win every time on smoothness and power.
I have no problem slapping around a 7’-0" in the right conditions. It won’t be as nimble as a the little guy, but we can compensate with grace and style.
Try a 7’-0" x 21" with a 16" wide tail. Forget all the flex talk for this one. You’ve probably got enough mass to bend steel, so make it thick. Three inches in the middle.
Again, forget the thin foiled nose. Hide some foam up there to with an old school beaked nose.
If you want to loosen it up, add some wings at 12" up. That will leave you with the same rail hold as a 6’-0" board, so you can slide the tail a little.
You’re in Hawaii? No wetsuit to compensate for. Higher salinity to float you a little higher.
Anyway, that’s my take on it.
I forgot to mention fins. Slip a couple of FCS Occy’s in fiberglass in there to give you some more speed and hold. Some FG-7 if you want to be a little looser.
Aloha Makakilo:
I am a big guy too and I am happy with the blanks that us big guys have now. I was toying with the idea of making something out of the US Blanks 6-8 RP or 6-10A. It looks like it can yield a 6-8 x 24" x 2 7/8" board or the 6-10A blank that can yeild a 23 1/2" x 3 1/4" board. For me, one of the best shapers for big guy boards is Joe Blair. His boards work great in Hawaii. I think his double wing quad might fit the bill for what you are looking for. Check it out at http://www.jblairsurf.com/Custom_Boards.html.
Joe built me a 9-3 quad that just rips. His quality is great and prices are fair. Shipping to Hawaii cost me about $150.
Mahalo,
Uncle D
thanks gentlemen. joe blair huh? im probably gonna stick with my guys either daniel ernest or john richardson. buy local, support the local shaper. i get a fair price so it helps. ive never liked quads, twins, singlefins, fish, eggs, hybrids, double enders, not a big spender. nothing retro or regressive. hope to get downright aggressive with the lip… im going six five or six six, twenty four wide. three and three eights thick wide squash thin rails that bite. low entry rocker and a little flip of tail rocker. a slight singleconcae to vee hows that sound to you folks?? the deck will be dommed or crowned to achieve the thin rails. v
lotsa typos. my bad.
still wanna hear from anyone with an opinion, thoughts, ideas, theories, anecdotes etc. im going to be shaping my first board soon so ill it will be nice going into that process already with some ideas on what works, what doesnt. if i screw up big deal blanks are cheap and for certain it will at least be rideable. laters
Kia ora Makakilo,
Check out these two links, I haven’t surfed them but they are out there in terms of big guy designs. I was speaking to the shaper over the weekend and they cost $1500 NZ each.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=370013842
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=370702904
Heio ano
MrT