surfing consists of a surfboard, a leash, shorts ( a bikini for JNHAWAII), wax and some waves. Not complicated at all. We have more in common that you may think…
Randy French has brought this simplicity to the surfboard consumers at 80,000 units per year with consistant quality. So What? Do we all need to build an alter to him now so he can walk around as the “most” important man in “surfing” He is a sucessful businessman…nothing more. Not a hero…not really doing anything new and he does not relate to the other million or so that don’t own surftechs. They have their niche in the market…just like cargo pants in a surf shop…nothing more.
Most surfers do not have the need to go to a shaper, talk story, feel the blank and have a religious experience over the whole ordeal. Ha Ha…so true. Again…we agree on more than you think. You need to read a little closer to the theme and deeper meaning to my post. It’s not an anti Randy French post…it’s not even an anti Surf Tech post. It’s an anti institution post. Surfing…Surftech…Quiksilver…your local surf shop legend in his own mind owner…Surfing Heritage…surf rider foundation…Christian surfers…all want to speak for this group of surfers or that group or for surfing in general. What they think it is or should be…I agree with you…it’s way more simple than that. It’s mostly about enjoying being out there. As for institutions…they all ultimately suck…just like all lobby groups…because in the end…they all must have an enemy or theme to survive and most simply want to make a buck with some fancy title, marketing theme or cause. To keep the owner or owners of them in a lifestyle at the suckers expense. Again…I have been around the industry awhile. As J.R. says of the music industry…it’s helped no one but those fleecing it for profit. Eventually when French has had enough of the shapers or sells Surftech…they will simply go direct at a discount to the customers at a reduced price. The shapers tree will be of interest to even fewer surfers and not because of innaccuracies. Lets face it, surfing is held on a pedestal by those who need to profit from it. So surftec is guilty for promoting its product in a stupid way in my opinion.
It’s only a surfboard. My sewer service, clean water and garbage pickup is more important and necessary. Again…agreement and your sentiments are part of the underlying theme of my post. Why believe a bullshit marketing ploy at all.
B league shaper says you. That’s the funniest thing I have read all year. Almost as funny as you talking about the 25 year old technology that he helped develop, had success with and eventually will be the demise of the 60 year old technology you hang on to. Not B league in that he may or may not be an ok shaper or person…B league in that no one outside of his hometown ever heard about him as a surfboard designer until he came out with Surftech. As for his 25 year old tech vs. 60 year old tech. The 60 year old tech rides better than his tech. Period. I also like some of the latest handshaped epoxy which is way ahead of Surftech in both blanck quality and resin quality. Epoxy is a great tech in many ways…but…he has it’s share of drawbacks and needs different care than your average poly board does. Randy has created a marketing strategy not some new design out to change surfing. It’s not the same as when shapers left Balsa to go to foam as he claims. That 25 year old technology is weekly “rediscovered” on sites like this as the cutting edge and a whole new idea. It’s laughable when the new pioneers are trying the things the windsurfers have used in thier construction for the past 20 years. B league shaper in your opinion but an A+ total package board builder in my book. You have the right to your opinion. I have no problem with that.
To conclude. Yes we do owe Randy French. He pioneered epoxy “old tech” and made many smart builders think, design, compete, change, adapt and make better boards for themselves and for the surfing consumers on Earth.
It is the American way.
Thank you Randy French!!! Nope…he has had sucess making money with older tech. I know many other shapers that have contributed to making better surfboards out of epoxy. Resin Research is one of them. The differnce is…they were really trying to find new and better things…not market something that has been around for awhile. IMO. I still prefer the 60 year old tech and the new epoxy to Surftech.
nothing but pool toys.and a scam to sell them.
i like the comment i hear over and over “unless you live in a cave and make your own clothes and grow your own food you are a sell out too”.
so we all should give up . stop recycling,start polluting,start wasting,stop caring about our fellow man’s work conditions.
that all or nothing B.S. sales pitch is not gonna work on me.
funny how the guys like cj nelson alex knox moving longboarding foward with new tricks at all new skill levels are not riding pool toys.
I have been back since fall to the n.s oahu and there have been lots of surftecs catching tasty waves here.
Your testommony regarding surftecs also brings up another point. If you don’t care for them the resale value is really good and someone else will use them.
I am just looking at number sales of the surftec. They are very high and impressive. Will a number of people not care for them? Of couse, but maybe all those people who love them aren’t as dedicated to the design aspects of the sport as the learned on this sight have the ability to determine what is acceptable for the rest of the ignorant surfers to use.
I thought swaylocks was the epoxy website. I have been apart of the epoxy tech verses pu/pe tech verbal wars. I don’t work for surftec, I don’t own a surftec, but I recognize who inspired me regarding epoxy, sailbaords and making surfboards. It was a seaatrend sailbaord made by randy french.
I agree with your assessment of the shapers tree and how surfing should be held in our lives.
Thank you for your european perspective.
My initial posts regarding RF were not even because of anything you said but others.
For my own personal family tree of inspiration for board building is RF.
I heard of RF in the 80’s and I was all the way in tejas ya’all. His sailboards are very nice. Epoxy, durable, light. I was thinking like the swaylock epoxy crew in the 80’s just based on simple observation. Sailboards of epoxy verses pu/pe was never close. But somehow the holy grail of pu/pe in surfboards is where the worship alter needs to be build for. got knee pads?(my new bumber sticker)
I don’t worship rf, never give him much thought except his windsurfing product pushed my s;urfboard building thought pattern not just off mainstream but literally upstream. Maybe for you your father is your inspiration for wahtever you do. But your father also changed your diapers, fed, clothed, protected you.
I pick up a nice sailboard made by rf, say cool, how is it built, find out, build them myself and use the epoxy experience to make surfboards. It was a one way, selfish admiration that rf knew nothing about.
Now on the other side of the coin, the opponents of surftec treat him like the devil himself. Now who is treating RF like a supernatural being??? It’s sure not me.
Surftech has made epoxy boards more acceptable over the years and now resin research benefits, and all of the epoxy board builders who essentially compete with surftech.
All this surftec talk makes me want to get one and try out first hand. Class A waves should pretty much take care of the seldom reported poor design aspects of the surftec.
To conclude. Yes we do owe Randy French. He pioneered epoxy “old tech” and made many smart builders think, design, compete, change, adapt and make better boards for themselves and for the surfing consumers on Earth.
It is the American way.
In my personal sphere (and I’m sure there are other people that feel the same way), the credit for pioneering epoxy and making many smart builder think / design / compete / change / adapt and make better boards would be Greg Loehr.
Randy French showed how to market and sell. He did help open up surfers to alternate materials. But to give the guy pioneering credit is like saying Samuel Langley was the first person to fly a plane that used 3 axis controls . . .
I think Randy French showed me how NOT to make a epoxy board.
Bert Berger has also been instrumental.
Surftech came out and they had their instructions on their construction process. But I saw posts from Greg and Bert telling me how and why.
I am just looking at number sales of the surftec. They are very high and impressive. . . . I thought swaylocks was the epoxy website. I have been apart of the epoxy tech verses pu/pe tech verbal wars. I don’t work for surftec, I don’t own a surftec, but I recognize who inspired me regarding epoxy, sailbaords and making surfboards. It was a seaatrend sailbaord made by randy french.
But Bert and Greg both posted in here and they showed us how to build epoxy and eps boards. That’s how come Swaylocks will give notice to those guys and not Randy French. I have billions of bytes saved on my lil ol’ hard drive of their posts and notes stemming from people adding in their posts.
Surftech didn’t do shit, they never even posted here.
Sales! Of course surftech will sell because → Randy French is a business entrepreneur, which is why the niya’s mug is on the cover of Fortune.
Engineering and Entrepreneuring are two different disciplines. And yes I did say entrepreneuring :Þ
Place yourself in a time machine to 1980. ( by the way, where you even born yet?)
Bert who, Greg who…oh the surfer on the pupe. Oh bert working in the pupe factory. not sure what bert was doing or when his epoxy stuff took off but us older folk have more of a reference point than swaylocks. Where is bert and greg by the way? probably can’t post cuz the coorporate shirts wont let them.
Randy French was full on epoxy board developing the 80’s when greg was mixing his epoxy drums of inferior epoxy in his living room and garage in Florida. His epoxy today, nice stuff, his epoxy in the 90’s, pretty crappy, in the 80’s…resin rsearch who???
I guess according to solosurf shaper rating bert and greg were in the B league of shapers in those days.
you can have your inspiration so let me have mine. Randy French! Some dudes name on a super light sailbaord I picked up in the 80’s. I am just saying I recognize him in my personal shapers tree and your impression of RF is made up of total ignorance. Just because he can not only shape, use epoxy effectively and market his own product you are pissed and can’t understand he is a toatl package.
Meanwhile back at the ranch, your hero shaper and epoxy developer had to make deals with the industry leaders to market and deploy thier product.
But that is different in your book. Firewire is the skeleton thought of a sunova. Which would you rather have. I want a sunova! If I had a product that people weren’t biting at why not come to swaylocks and pimp it, give tid bits of the tech, help the novices. Oh it just so happens my advice might have a high probability you will buy what I am selling. Why would RF come to swaylocks? He was in full stride years before the internet was even around yet alone swaylocks.
You heard it here folks, unless you post at swaylocks you have no part of the epoxy revolution or should I say re-revolution. Hate and jealousy seems to blind most people of the plain old facts. It’s cool to slamm surftech, but you still can’t deny what RF started decades ago has not changed how epoxy boards are received today.
i dont know if hirotagonist was born before 80.but i was.
in 1977 i got my first board.i have great memories of my glossed finished black and white locally made custom 5’10 nelson.i wish i still had it.but at least i have one photo.
i see kids now getting a 8’0"bic pool toy as a first surfboard.25 years from now they are gonna be saying remember that p.o.s. first board i had.what a shame.
I remember my first p.o.s. car. It wasn’t a caddy but it got me to the beach and to my girl friends house. What mammories, uh I mean memories.
If you only can afford a BIC board the only thing that is stopping you from having fun on it is whether or not you let people like you bother you. Tell me you don’t pick on your neighbors for not having a honda lawn mower too???BTW,NELSON???
Who is that shaper. Never heard of hem or her, must be in the B league!!!
I remember a production bic speed windsurfing board winning the amature division at bird island tx in 88.
I personally could have a great time on a bic board if that was all I could afford or had available. The only problem would be my knee jerk reaction to chew on the nose of the board thinking it was my favorite bic pen.
Maybe someday if the bic owner saves up enough money they can own a surftec. A bic baord is very appropriate for a beginner who may or may not persue it futher than a once in a while activity. I didn’t realize they even made surfboards. They aren’t Nelson designs are they?? That would ruin the memories .
In conclusion: you nor anyone else can claim the grom bic owner would have anything but pure stoke at the moment and very fond memories of that first board, bonding with dad and mom and his surfing buddy friends. Who knows, the poor kids these days may be glossaphobes and would have to double up on the ritalin to even approach a glossed finished black and white custom.
hold tight to that photo and have mercy on the bic riders in the line up.
Place yourself in a time machine to 1980. ( by the way, where you even born yet?)
Bert who, Greg who…oh the surfer on the pupe. Oh bert working in the pupe factory. not sure what bert was doing or when his epoxy stuff took off but us older folk have more of a reference point than swaylocks. Where is bert and greg by the way? probably can’t post cuz the coorporate shirts wont let them.
Randy French was full on epoxy board developing the 80’s when greg was mixing his epoxy drums of inferior epoxy in his living room and garage in Florida. His epoxy today, nice stuff, his epoxy in the 90’s, pretty crappy, in the 80’s…resin rsearch who???
I guess according to solosurf shaper rating bert and greg were in the B league of shapers in those days.
you can have your inspiration so let me have mine. Randy French! Some dudes name on a super light sailbaord I picked up in the 80’s. I am just saying I recognize him in my personal shapers tree and your impression of RF is made up of total ignorance. Just because he can not only shape, use epoxy effectively and market his own product you are pissed and can’t understand he is a toatl package.
Meanwhile back at the ranch, your hero shaper and epoxy developer had to make deals with the industry leaders to market and deploy thier product.
But that is different in your book. Firewire is the skeleton thought of a sunova. Which would you rather have. I want a sunova! If I had a product that people weren’t biting at why not come to swaylocks and pimp it, give tid bits of the tech, help the novices. Oh it just so happens my advice might have a high probability you will buy what I am selling. Why would RF come to swaylocks? He was in full stride years before the internet was even around yet alone swaylocks.
You heard it here folks, unless you post at swaylocks you have no part of the epoxy revolution or should I say re-revolution. Hate and jealousy seems to blind most people of the plain old facts. It’s cool to slamm surftech, but you still can’t deny what RF started decades ago has not changed how epoxy boards are received today.
Don’t know Bert and have never seen one of his boards. Greg…B league? Hmmm. His boards have never been my thing…but…he paid his dues just like many and I will bet you a dollar he an surf circles around R.F. I am not one of those who finds any epoxy as the savior of surfing. I have ridden very few I actually like. I still like hand shaped…glossed and polished poly boards done by someone that has been shaping over thirty years at a high level. During the 80’s there was a whole lot of really good shapers. I sure don’t remember anything about R.F.
As for hate and jealosy: I don’t think I have pushed either one of those on my post. I don’t down him for being sucessful…I just don’t buy his line of marketing. I think those things are inferior…not superior. I can’t see some kid 40 years from now finding a Surftech in some garage and going…“WOW…what a find” the same as they would had they put their hands on an old Peck penatrator, Velzy pig or Mccoy Lazor Zap etc. They are plastic toys made to be a comodity for profit. Not art…not lifestyle…just hype.
I have no problem at all with you feeling different and looking at R.F. as one of your personal influences.
i dont know if hirotagonist was born before 80.but i was.
in 1977 i got my first board.i have great memories of my glossed finished black and white locally made custom 5’10 nelson.i wish i still had it.but at least i have one photo.
i see kids now getting a 8’0"bic pool toy as a first surfboard.25 years from now they are gonna be saying remember that p.o.s. first board i had.what a shame.
So very true. I wish I could find my first Single fin from 1975. 7’7’’ Hotcurl.
Can you guys remind me of all this crap if I ever decide to make a list with peoples names? Thank you.
"I can’t see some kid 40 years from now finding a Surftech in some garage and going…“WOW…what a find” the same as they would had they put their hands on an old Peck penatrator, Velzy pig or Mccoy Lazor Zap etc. They are plastic toys made to be a comodity for profit. Not art…not lifestyle…just hype. "
If you did find a surftech 40 years from now at least you could probably still ride it and not have to have 4 of your friends help you carry it to the beach.
I think the hype is really on your part. I can’t imagine Velzy, shaping a board and saying to himself…wow, I did it again, pure art, no lifestyle could represent this ,and this board is the opposite of all hype one could imagine. Board builders here me roar.
Probably it was more like…sorry it took so long and I hope you like it.
now what’s next on the list to build.
It’s only a surfbaord to be used in the water. The hype you place on certain boards is in your eyes and those who think like you. A Mccoy lazer zap leaves me in need of viagra. It just doen’t do it for me. Also a surftech is of no special importance and a peck penatrator just sounds like glory days.
Last week this guy who has some conection with a homeless outreach in Haleiwa comes by for some used beat up boards. We gave him boards last year too. To hear him talk about the stoke on the kids faces when they are given a old beat up surfboard. To hear him tell the story you would think we were offering him both our kidneys for transplant. These young groms know nothing about epoxy, pu/pe, velzy or any shapers tree. according to some of you guys I am going to ruin thier lives and therapy will be in order with thier first board memories.
Snobbish. Go hang your velzy on the wall and put the penetrator in the corner and make sure the laser zap has the correct fin because someone might be looking and think wrongly of you.
thanks for allowing me to have RF as inspiration in manufacturing epoxy surfboards. As for what you think as art, lifestyle and hype I consider as my garbage, my choice and your confusion.
"I can’t see some kid 40 years from now finding a Surftech in some garage and going…“WOW…what a find” the same as they would had they put their hands on an old Peck penatrator, Velzy pig or Mccoy Lazor Zap etc. They are plastic toys made to be a comodity for profit. Not art…not lifestyle…just hype. "
If you did find a surftech 40 years from now at least you could probably still ride it and not have to have 4 of your friends help you carry it to the beach.
I think the hype is really on your part. I can’t imagine Velzy, shaping a board and saying to himself…wow, I did it again, pure art, no lifestyle could represent this ,and this board is the opposite of all hype one could imagine. Board builders here me roar.
Probably it was more like…sorry it took so long and I hope you like it.
now what’s next on the list to build.
It’s only a surfbaord to be used in the water. The hype you place on certain boards is in your eyes and those who think like you. A Mccoy lazer zap leaves me in need of viagra. It just doen’t do it for me. Also a surftech is of no special importance and a peck penatrator just sounds like glory days.
Last week this guy who has some conection with a homeless outreach in Haleiwa comes by for some used beat up boards. We gave him boards last year too. To hear him talk about the stoke on the kids faces when they are given a old beat up surfboard. To hear him tell the story you would think we were offering him both our kidneys for transplant. These young groms know nothing about epoxy, pu/pe, velzy or any shapers tree. according to some of you guys I am going to ruin thier lives and therapy will be in order with thier first board memories.
Snobbish. Go hang your velzy on the wall and put the penetrator in the corner and make sure the laser zap has the correct fin because someone might be looking and think wrongly of you.
thanks for allowing me to have RF as inspiration in manufacturing epoxy surfboards. As for what you think as art, lifestyle and hype I consider as my garbage, my choice and your confusion.
Ha Ha…now it’s fun. I only used those names as examples BTW. The art is not in Velzy or someone saying how well they did…but simply using their eye to create something from scratch by their own hand. Like someone who builds a kitchen table. You can get the cheaper version at Sam’s…but it’s not the same as the version made by hand that sells for $2500.00. that will last a lifetime.
Surftech does have it’s place in my opinion…(though I oppose America selling out to communist countries or those whose governments turn a blind eye to sex slavery) I think they are fine for beginners and those surfers who have found a design they like and instead of replicating it can get the exact clone. If I liked the way they road…I think they could also eliminate the need for travelling quivers to places like Hawaii. I used to show up there and buy guns off the rack or have one made only to sell it when I left. Never got the same one twice though. With S.T. you could.
As for hype: You can’t exist in the surf industry in a major way without hype and downright lies. Your selling B.S. after all. Quik makes the best shorts…right…same as Volcon…or Billibonk. Merrick makes the best boards…right…same as Rusty…or Lost. Thats the hype. I think the quality of S.T. is better than boardworks…but boardworks ride better. Just opinions…all of it.
On Snobbish: Not me at all. I actually agree with your sentiments on that one. One of the things I dislike about the retro fad. Much of that junk was crap when we had nothing else to ride and has been improved on with modern designs. The reason people turned to it IMO is because the so called modern shortboard has turned into a little twig potatoe chip that only kids can ride or elites who can ride anything. Floatation has been ignored in favor of a look. I have seen pros who look better on boards that float them. Thats why the interest in retro…float. also…it’s acceptable for someone on one of those to ride in a straight line…as long as they are soul arching. Ha ha. I still think some of the older stuff was superior. Like the second generation of thrusters. I think they worked better than the post Kelly Slater versions.
The point of my post is as stated. Don’t need surfing institutions…Don’t need surfboard companies claiming they are the future of surfboards…Don’t need magazines claiming to be the sages of all that is surfing. They create a world that simply does not exist and most of the history contained in their pages is downright lies and fairy tales.
my first car was a 1967 mustang.the doors and hood didnt match the rest of the car.it had 4 snow tires that looked like mag wheels.i loved that car.i cant look at an old mustang without being taken back in time.
my wifes first car was a 2 year old white yugo.she never seems to talk about it much.
i would rather see a beginner on a used poly than a bic ben board.first of all ,i think the bouncy boards slow down the learning curve.also bics are the yugo og the industry and the surf tecs are closer to the bics than poly boards.
what would you say to someone selling you a copy of a pacasso for 90% of the price of the original.they could run adds in art magazines saying “our copies will last longer than the originals”.
the shame is the kids are buying it.
my first car was a 1967 mustang.the doors and hood didnt match the rest of the car.it had 4 snow tires that looked like mag wheels.i loved that car.i cant look at an old mustang without being taken back in time.
my wifes first car was a 2 year old white yugo.she never seems to talk about it much.
i would rather see a beginner on a used poly than a bic ben board.first of all ,i think the bouncy boards slow down the learning curve.also bics are the yugo og the industry and the surf tecs are closer to the bics than poly boards.
what would you say to someone selling you a copy of a pacasso for 90% of the price of the original.they could run adds in art magazines saying “our copies will last longer than the originals”.
the shame is the kids are buying it.
Good post popeye. Also…on the Surftechs lasting thing. I have some old collectable surfboards that still ride and are in wonderful shape…6’6’’ pigment dyed challenger single fins…6’5’’ Islander Single Fin…1966 Gordon and Smith Longboard…9’6’’ Lance Carson…6’0’’ Herbie Fletcher single diamond tail. I sold an old 1964 10’ D.N. bing noserider. I have an original Mccoy Zap. When people that actually surf see them they always get comments. I don’t expect to see that reaction with Surftechs or Bics. Don’t expect to see that …ever with those boards.
“Also…on the Surftechs lasting thing. I have some old collectable surfboards that still ride and are in wonderful shape…6’6’’ pigment dyed challenger single fins…6’5’’ Islander Single Fin…1966 Gordon and Smith Longboard…9’6’’ Lance Carson…6’0’’ Herbie Fletcher single diamond tail. I sold an old 1964 10’ D.N. bing noserider. I have an original Mccoy Zap. When people that actually surf see them they always get comments. I don’t expect to see that reaction with Surftechs or Bics. Don’t expect to see that …ever with those boards.”
What makes those boards collecable is the fact that 99.9% of the others made of the same model don’t exist. They were ridden, used, abused and ended up in the landfill. The lifecycle of a surfboard with normal use. Then there are those where a surfboard is above all things and placed on the hype alter you deny you believe in. Your quiver list speaks for itself. Let me guess, they have there own little room to keep the kids away from them? Some live for the comments by others and need that type of adoration to feel good about themself. If you catch a good wave and ride it well, the surfboard was just a means to acheive that goal. If you were on a surftec it takes nothing away from that. Of course if you need the extra hype from the beach and all those looking on to make up for your surfing abilities…sounds like you have all bases covered.
BTW…do you guys actually make fun of, cut off or hassle epoxy, surftec and bic riders in the line up? I have never seen it myself. Is this just internal rage waiting to explode on the dog or wife? I am glad swaylocks is here to help you guys release your anger.
just put on your wall mart johnny surfer shorts,grab your wall mart orange and black wetsuit,put your surftec on the roof of your yugo and go surf.
dont forget to check the wind speed.remember over 10mph and the yugo will get blown off the road and the surftec off the back of the wave.
i guess the last post was a bit rude.
i was just having a little fun with this.
people can ride what they like.
body surf to ocean kayak and everything in the middle.just have fun.
“Also…on the Surftechs lasting thing. I have some old collectable surfboards that still ride and are in wonderful shape…6’6’’ pigment dyed challenger single fins…6’5’’ Islander Single Fin…1966 Gordon and Smith Longboard…9’6’’ Lance Carson…6’0’’ Herbie Fletcher single diamond tail. I sold an old 1964 10’ D.N. bing noserider. I have an original Mccoy Zap. When people that actually surf see them they always get comments. I don’t expect to see that reaction with Surftechs or Bics. Don’t expect to see that …ever with those boards.”
What makes those boards collecable is the fact that 99.9% of the others made of the same model don’t exist. They were ridden, used, abused and ended up in the landfill. The lifecycle of a surfboard with normal use. Then there are those where a surfboard is above all things and placed on the hype alter you deny you believe in. Number one; you don’t know me…so you have no clue what my reasons are for having these boards. If you did know me…you would see how your assesment is completely wrong. I owned a surf shop for years…Thats how I ended up with most of them…they were traded in. I agree on the 99% thing. However…the those old handshapes are valuable now because some see the value in something thought up and shaped created by someone from scratch. Right or wrong…thats the reason. I don’t place any surfboard on the hype alter and if surftechs road as good as they claim they do…I would probably ride one myself (even with my reservations about where they are built). I still feel that the those like French…Surfing mag and the rest who want to claim sage status and speak for all the rest of us is B.S. Surfers are a varied lot as this thread demonstrates. None are right or wrong…only different. I like writing about ideas. Who knows…you may see a pro surftech post one of these days. Your quiver list speaks for itself. Let me guess, they have there own little room to keep the kids away from them? Some live for the comments by others and need that type of adoration to feel good about themself. Ha Ha Ha…nope not me…but I do know the type. The boards sit in an old shed in my back yard. Stacked to be re sold soon. Let me know if you know of anyone wanting the old schools singles. I have no use for them…they never worked very well in the first place. Not that I don’t like singles…just not those old spin out models that are so popular today. As for comments…thats an even better one. Good one…keep em coming. I will have you writing my post for me in the future. If you catch a good wave and ride it well, the surfboard was just a means to acheive that goal. If you were on a surftec it takes nothing away from that. Of course if you need the extra hype from the beach and all those looking on to make up for your surfing abilities…sounds like you have all bases covered. Like I said…I don’t disagree. However…that certainly does not fit me. If you want to ride a Surftech and you have fun on your surftech…Thats great. To each his own. I like Nuggets…there are those that don’t like them. Some like Old …slow…heavy…longboards. I was happy when they finally started shaping longboards that worked. Then again…that also is just my opinion.
BTW…do you guys actually make fun of, cut off or hassle epoxy, surftec and bic riders in the line up? I have never seen it myself. Is this just internal rage waiting to explode on the dog or wife? I am glad swaylocks is here to help you guys release your anger. Where have you seen such anger? I don’t think you have seen much of it displayed on this thread. I don’t like people cutting people off…I believe in the old line up mentality. Show respect and you will get it. Most of the cutting off I have seen at my home beach is by those riding Surftechs that can’t surf very well. Seriously…I don’t blame the surftechs for that one…but thats really how it is on my beach. A kuk is a kuk…it really does not matter what he is riding…or how good he surfs. Some of the biggest kuks are some of the most talented surfers.
"Number one; you don’t know me…so you have no clue what my reasons are for having these boards. "
That’s the most refreshing thing I have heard stated on this whole thread.
Now just apply what you expect for yourself and apply that to the grom with a bic, surftech or black and white glossed nelson piece of …“art”.
And I guess while we are at this point maybe we can apply it to Randy French also.
The elitest attutudes, (not necessarily from you), that exist toward surftec, randy French’s success and epoxy boards in general would suggest to me there would be warfare in the lineup when a surftech shows up. Since I have never seen such animosity in the lineup , I can only conclude the whinners are few or lack the balls to walk the talk they so readily spew out on surfboard sights.
What ever happened to looking at a board, recognizinge it’s a quality then asking who shaped it? The talk I see here is hey it’s a Nelson with a black and white gloss so it must be a great shape. Please give me a break!!