60 miles out from our coast:
No BSF in site:
haaaa’’ yea well you try that were i am talking about and you are f###king DEAD.
i am talking about how insignificant we realy are not how biger posser we can be?
** cheers huie
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We are insignificat. I realize that.
I guess I don’t understand what you are trying to say?
A few words on the keyboard and I’m to understand a whole book you have in your mind?
I’m not a mind reader.
Sorry I thought you were talking about fishing and how peaceful it can be.
KInd regards,
surfding
well like another thread from the past you have not understood what i was saying???
**cheers huie
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**I was told that groupers can get huge…like a ton or big as a small house? **
And that’s no bullshit?
**True or bullshit?
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I’m not a mind reader.
“you dont need to be cheer up its good fun”
Huie I having fun as well!
You keep this site fun.
NBSF
KInd regards,
**michael aka surfding
**
Yeah yeah, all good…
…so let’s get back to the BSF.
Here’s a prime example. I read a profile of one now “famous” shaper that lives in Hawaii. It stated by a certain year while still on the mainland he had shaped 3,000 custom boards then changed to a new label. Shaped a few more years on the mainland then decided to make the big move to Hawaii and the rest is history… blah blah.
Well, this individual DID become a very good shaper through hard work and good atititude, along with connecting with some very good surfers that decided to try his stuff. However, the BSF here just happens to be in what I call the “rewriting of one’s history”.
The case in point is that this same shaper brought me boards to glass when that label was supposedly created after shaping “3000 boards for local customers”. If the boards my factory glassed were after 3,000 shapes, then I’m in the wrong business. As I recall, I was told “if you see anything wrong with what I bring you will you point it out and go over it with me? I really want to learn to do it the right way”.
But since its history, stuff like this can quickly be forgotten.
**After all, his boards are available from Surf Tech and no one has even heard of me.
**
…the most bigger BSF is that all those new shapers with labels in the wct or wqs tour, shaped n thousand boards.
They probably shaped a few dozens then some put money and the “business” and the ego driven stuff began.
For what I read, many do not know about design, even they do not know how to glass a board.
Years ago, I read an interview with R. Preisendorfer and he well say that he PUT his hand on n shapes…he did not say he shaped or build n boards; for me, that s an honest statement
haaaa’’ the older you get and the longer you stay around this game the more amusing it becomes
i noticed a very famous name geting the credit when he could not shape a board to save his life
**as a mater of fact the guy that does shape his so called model cast his shadow over my shaping room for a few yrs **
but its always been this way they like politicians have very thick hides
anyway why is it allways the shaper? the glasser can soon f##k him or mybe the sander can adjust it a bit more haaa’
cheers huie
[img_assist|nid=1048037|title=wrasse|desc=|link=none|align=left|width=427|height=640]know thats not bullshit
but like all fishing stories can be stretched haaaaa’’
That fish looks Epic!
Howzit huie, It's always the shapers because there was a time when guys only wanted to be shapers for their ego fix. I was taught to build surfboards and it just so happens I don't like to shape that much and would rather do everything else when it comes to making surfboards.Aloha,Kokua
… I wonder if the BSF for BASE was set into place early.
I think at its conception there were 5 plus Chiefs, my guess is they all had the BASE/BSF/EGO meter smashing off the scale when they quoted how many boards they each do per year, ha ha… oh well.
I’m sure they all will be fine!
Kokua… right on.
Sanders are final shapers in my book.
If the glasser and hotcoater didn’t set it up right for him, the sander is screwed and catches my wrath. Except being a glasser, sander, polisher, etc myself, I know that everyone along the line is key to making that board what I set it out to be.
I’m no longer the sander I used to be. It takes strength and good coordination as well as as stamina.
My muscle memory wants to shape all day versus glass, sand and polish.
My volume came to the point where I went and met with Bob Haakenson, and we went over what I want. Bob has glassed the lion’s share of Channel Islands for 35+ years when Al was building the business and still in the C.I. mix.
Ironically, his glasser is Efrain, who as a young Mexican man that I recruited and trained in the early 80’s when I had The Surfing Underground. Bob told me he is the best glasser he has ever had.
His sanders are knowledgeable shapers that can read my lines and speak my language.
The fin man, as well as the whole crew can look at something and KNOW if something seems out of place or doesn’t look right and have the initiative to flag Bob in case I spaced and mismarked fin placement or whatnot.
These guys pump 70+ boards evry week and they are very good at what they do.
None of them live in China.
I like giving local guys work that get a good paychck and spend in our domestic economy.
If I shape 20 per week, I can compete with anyone from anywhere.
…another thing that upset me from day one is when I see those shaping bays…you bet, that belongs to one of those “n shaped” shapers, with the pictures on the frames…inmaculated, the speakers…without a nylon bag…and super clean…almost no dust in the walls (remember, static) and with planers without vacuum hose—however, even with that hose, you have dust in the walls, more if you shape dozens every few days
that is a proven thing about almost all those BSF shapers did not shaped and /or handshaped those thousand and thousand boards themselves
Howzit ds, I like your thinking and I think we have some of the same traits except that due to my health situation I am out of the business now.One thing is I always was setting the board up for the next step so it would make it easier and better. The boards that you have posted pictures of are unreal whih just goes to show us old guys still have it. Those of us that have been in the business for a long long time can only hope that the people we give our knowledge to respect us and listen to what we learned the hard way. When you think about it there are quite a few of us veterns here and I like teaching the guys who really want to build good boards. I was talking to my brother one day about my capabilities as a board builder and he goes to his computer for about an hour and proceeds to tell me he now knows how to build a surfboard,I just about choked I was laughing so hard. Aloha,Kokua
Howzit reverb, I know what you mean since my shop was a mess because I worked most days till it was almost night and never had much time for clean up and if I was lucky the shop got a good clean up maybe 2 times in a good year but usually once was enough. A dirty shop is a busy shop and who has time to clean it up for a picture,right. Aloha,Kokua
I’ve seen some real pig stys in my day. At The Underground we always strived to keep things pretty orderly with limited degrees of success during max production times.
Hawk’s factory is clean, organized, and well lit. The two sanding rooms have air movement pulling the dust thru large openings. Those setups are the kind you turn on at the beginning of the day and just let the thing run. Of course you know those days because the group is moving through to the sanding stage.The glassing aprons that catch resin keep the floors clean versus the ordeal of ripping up floors covered with 15 or 30 lb. roofing felt. What a chore that was!
I know some people feel repetition can be boring, however, in the case of surfboards, it results in people getting faster and very good at what they do. Do you think you would get good at glassing or sanding thousands of boards per year?
People should ask themselves “were was I in 1967?”
Were you even born yet?
How consistent and good are you at whatever job/career you do?
It makes a lot of sense to appreciate history & reward experience.
Bruce;
Glad to see the shots of Bob's set-up. He has always done great work.
Back in the 80's I hadn't adapted to shaping modern thrusters and wanted a state-of-the-art
ride so I drove up to SB from LB and ordered a CI. Joe Curren had just started working
the counter and I asked him who the best shaper was to custom order and he said Alan G.
I had all my numbers and did the order. I had a choice of glass shops and Joe said pick
the Hack. Picked up the board 3 weeks later and it was perfect. (I still have it to remind
myself when I was thin). Great glass work, & color. (glass-on fins) Great shape also from Alan.
There is no substitution for quality work!! When I glass my own stuff (infrequently now) I try to match that old time quality.......