Yeah I can’t wait to see Surfco’s Dave S. when he gets back to hear how they went…
He said Florida is more serious while Cali is just an all out get drunk and party event…
Bet they’ll be more chinese there this year selling factory capacity…
Bit of a discussion I got going here, pretty easy to do when you start talking eps. Interestingly, i read an interview with Beau where he said he snapped the board and he glued it back together. Didn’t sound right to me but I have no experience with any of this stuff (ie sandwich construction, epoxy).
Thought I’d also add a comment as well. From what I gather, the state of epoxy resins in Oz is nowhere hear the quality offered by Resin Research so the only option is to go the Burger way if you wish to deal with epoxy. I think it will be a slower change in Oz, despite Bert’s growing profile, at least until we get RR in Oz or some other company lifts their game or some pro starts getting results on a burger.
I’m looking forward to one day making a sandwich construction style board but it’s a while off. when I first started reading the posts it was like reading another language - and I’m still learning it slowly. I certainly hope someone manages to put the whole process on DVD one day, it certainly makes learning easier (I’ve learnt so much from the Carper and Damascus series)
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Yeah I can’t wait to see Surfco’s Dave S. when he gets back to hear how they went…
He said Florida is more serious while Cali is just an all out get drunk and party event…
Bet they’ll be more chinese there this year selling factory capacity…
Wow… Cali must be crazy. I went to the one here in September and it wasn’t exactly tame.
There is a bit of windows media video of Beau surfing on one of Berts boards at the Billabong site:
http://boss.streamos.com/…ay_4_bestheat_lo.wvx
Seems every time I’ve been to Loehr’s FL digs his guys are gluing two pieces of someone’s favorite old Loehr Design together so the owner can take it to HI and ride Pipeline on it. This may be because Greg stopped shaping and guys won’t give up their Loehrs. But it’s business as usual at Resin Research. They glue them up and they keep them going. No big deal.
OMG, what sort of beast has Bert wrought and let loose upon us?
(In case anyone is wondering I was attempting to be complimentary. I am referring back to the insane gaff in picture beaujpg.1)
hey i just checked out the video …
normally beau spends most of his time in the air , but he still looked like he was enjoying himself …
hes actually got the boards kelly was supposed to get , hes been riding that one since august , a few other team guys were trying to claim it after riding it , but beau wont let it out of his sight now …
hes dinged it a few times , mainly from doing huge airs and spliting the deck ,when its in for repair he will ring me everyday until he gets it back , i think hes paranoid someone else will get it …
i think hes earned his right to keep it now …
to the cynics / critics …
in my eyes , these boards have proved them selves over and over again …
no matter where in the world you might be , everyone will have a different surfer they look up to , and what he rides will have influence on a group of people …
no ,one, single surfer will influence everyone …
so unless you have every known , pro, ex pro , local ripper and contest surfer with any influence riding your boards , then your boards will never have credibility in someones eyes …
i dont really care what the naysayers have to say anymore , the bottom line is i enjoy my job , every subtle nuance and detail is considered when making a board , and thats the reason ive got a list of the worlds best surfers either riding or waiting on a board …
i have Nev to thank for giving me the opportunity to make boards for so many of his friends and team surfers and for putting these boards in front of people that know the difference …obviously Nev is stoked to brand the best tech available to date , that actually really does perform and has a 15 year history of data and results , a far cry from so many hyped up new ideas coming from other brands as they rush to jump on the epoxy bandwagon …
i could just type out the list of all the known names currently riding surfburgers , maybe it may change some peoples opinions , on the other hand maybe it wont and nothing ever will …
as far as publicity , yea , here today gone tommorow …
its always nice while it lasts in one sense , but on the other hand ive always found it just complicates things …
wish there was a way to refine surfing equipment and work with good surfers to improve things without all the hype …
i suppose i better get used to it , the rollercoaster is about to begin …
its going to be an interesting ride …
thanks bish …
got a number of calls and messages from all over australia today about that same press …
havent spoken to beau yet , gotta give him a pat on the back when i do , hes got a huge future , not only because of his surfing , but you couldnt ask for a better teamrider , even if he couldnt surf , his personality and charisma , organisation and professionalism would make you put him on the team anyway …
regards
BERT
“hes dinged it a few times , mainly from doing huge airs and spliting the deck”…
I couldn’t help but notice in a recent surf magazine that Nev is shown jumping out of a truck on to a board. He is also pictured trying to take a bite out of one. The implication is that the boards are nearly indestructible. The article’s headline title read’s “NEV’S INDESTRUCTIBLE BOARDS.”
Now we read that one of the team guys (a junior at that) has dinged his “a few times” and that the deck is “splitting.” I realize that this is prime fodder for yet another PU/PE vs EPS/epoxy battle but would it be fair to assume that at least some of the claims surrounding the boards are hype?
NO.
I can counter that with personal observation.
Last January at the 1st Globe Pro Sebastian Inlet Quarterfinals in barely head high surf I and the whole beach and judges saw CJ Hobgood, all 145 lbs of him floater a section and air drop on his NEW PU/PE and go right through it. I’m sure there is video, and I may even have it.
These guys go through on average more than a board a week. If Bert’s board lasted from August '05 till what is this January '06 well that’s a statistic for you.
CJ had to swim for a new board and consequently never advanced past the quarters. Bert’s board w/dings splits and all won. That’s another statistic.
Even the cover of the cover of the mag, in an intro to the story, touts something about never breaking a surfboard again and provides the page number of the story. Maybe the magazine’s words, maybe Nev’s? In any case, not exactly true.
Bert has provided a photo of a broken board - does that count as a statistic?
My gripe is not about PU/PE vs EPS/epoxy compsand… just claims that maybe aren’t panning out in the real world.
August '05 through January '06? For a thousand bucks or whatever they’ll cost if/when they become available to general public, I’d expect more than 5 or 6 months out of a board. Especially in light of the claims.
I guess the devil is in the details…wonder boy Walker got ousted half way thru the event - round 3.
Until a household name wins a major on one the status quo is still ahead…im sure that’ll change with time
looking forward to a Slater thing…video of that would be epic
1 13.17 Dustin Cuizon HAW 2 9.33 Beau Walker
AUS
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August '05 through January '06? For a thousand bucks or whatever they'll cost if/when they become available to general public, I'd expect more than 5 or 6 months out of a board. Especially in light of the claims.
John, your taking a pro board that has lasted 6 months and is still in use (all thought with some repair), but you need to compare that to a pu/pe proboard that last 1-4 weeks. Even for $1k that is a good improvement. So it looks like that is better (since it is still in use) than 6-24 times the life span.
true not industructable but will last the average consumer as long as they are willing to keep the same board
You saying Dustin beat Beau and his surfburger in Australia?
if so good for him…
Surfed with that Ewa Beach boy since he was a pup (still is kinda) but that boy can rip.
We grow them good out here (Dustin, Joel C, Kekoa and all the others before them).
Like big Ben Aipa said you want to be a world title contender you better rip in the sh*tiest of waves…
And Ewa Beach has the sh*tiest waves on all Oahu.
But even Sunny cut his baby teeth out here.
I used to hear Ben from the lineup screaming at Conan from the beach way back when watching him struggle in the mush coaching him for his to move out from the amateurs…
Just look at all the florida boys too…
Issac Kaneshiro’s glory moment was beating Slater in Australia during his run…
Geez imagine an Ewa Beach or Florida hottie on a surfburger… Might be unstoppable
What 4est said.
I’m not really sure who you are mad at. The mag for saying the boards are indestructable or Bert who has his picture with a broken board?
Consider this, who is makeing the claims? Bert Nev the mags?
Then lets go from there.
This is s good topic and I’m totally into it.
yeah well they can be built to vary degrees of strength and performance
same as any board
“but you need to compare that to a pu/pe proboard that last 1-4 weeks.”
4est… as predicted, somebody has tried to turn this into a PU/PE vs EPS/epoxy compsand issue. That was not my point at all. I have no qualms about an EPS/epoxy compsand being a stronger end product than PU/PE. I think that much is a given.
and Mark - I’m not mad at anybody. Just griping. When somebody (magazine or whatever) comes up with a claim of unbreakable, well… that’s a pretty bold claim.
It is simply a matter of truth in advertising. I’ve been around plenty long enough to have heard plenty of claims about this or that new thing being the latest, greatest revolutionary thing to hit the surfing world. Hollow WAVE, graphite, epoxy, kevlar, etc have all been tried, marketed and fallen along the wayside for one reason or another. How many users have been burned in the past by bogus hype?
Surftech seems to be able to produce what it claims (indestructibility not being one.) They’ve managed to create a product, market it effectively and grow their market share. No false claims that I’ve seen. Even Randy French admits that they’re not ding proof or break proof.
Bufoboards seem to be on to something great but not available in the US yet. They’re not prone to the grandiose claims that I’ve been hearing elsewhere. They seem to be quietly doing their thing and they have a video clip on their website that still blows my mind.
There are certainly some options out there that are superior to PU/PE construction. Only one is claiming to be the Ferrari of the industry… the holy grail. I’m just looking for some substance to back those claims up. I could certainly be wrong but IMO a board that is failing in 6 months, even if a PU/PE board fails sooner, may not be the holy grail after all.
“and Mark - I’m not mad at anybody. Just griping. When somebody (magazine or whatever) comes up with a claim of unbreakable, well… that’s a pretty bold claim.”
This is exactly the point. Who made the claims? If it was a paid advertisement there is one set of rules. But if you have ever seen the paid for ads in newspapers that parade as articles touting miracle cures there is not much to legally stop that. But if it is just a claim then it’s up to the injured party to sue. Freedom of the press has a high cost. Not much can really be done to stop anyone from making outrageous claims. Especially if it is the paper or mag. Look at the crap that sells in the grocery store. I just don’t see what all the upset is about? Maybe you are just trying to liven up Swaylocks which has become rather dull reading lately. That’s not good for advertisers or raising money for the site. So what are your motives? huh? huh? huh?
If someone is selling something in this counrty they can pretty much say anything they want. The truth be known it’s still buyer beware. That is a beautiful concept when you really understand it.
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If someone is selling something in this counrty they can pretty much say anything they want. The truth be known it’s still buyer beware. That is a beautiful concept when you really understand it.
True
unless you are a regulated business…
Then either the State’s Attorney General or the Feds can shut you down or even worse send you to prison especially if I become rich at anothers expense for being “stupid”.
“Buyer beware!” Caveat Exempor doen’t take affect if the feds or state are running the show…
So please don’t listen to all that tax-free, tax-shelter, you don’t have to pay taxes hype out there, cause my lawyer friends at the US Treasury and the IRS would not hesitate at locking you up and throwing away the key. Cause according to them, It’s their (the goverment’s) money not yours.
sorry off soapbox…
It happens alot in my line of business.
We are highly sensitive of federal regulations and consumer protection laws cause there are significant penalties if we violate them.
As we say around here compliance is mandatory the consequences are serious…
Depends on being regulated or not?
K Mart can publish a price for say Skippy peanut butter in a flyer or magazine and I can go to Kmart and pick up a jar and carry it to the register and anywhere in that time Kmart can change the price and there is nothing I can do about it. The price is set at the register. They can say any price they want. My only legal recourse is to say no and walk.
I can call the better busines bureau and call the store manager, but that doesn’t change anything. K Mart can set it’s prices however thay want. That is buyer beware. When a store offers price protection that is a storen or business policy.
Now if they happen to collect sales tax on a no taxable item that is subject to a ten thousand dollar fine per offense.
What constitutes a regulated business in your account?
Banking
Investments
and of course Taxes
Rip off folks in some of those areas
and you’ll be accused of stealing and do time
unless of course you’re too big or too little to worry about
but if they want you you’ll go.
Most major white collar criminals end up in jail due to tax issues than the other crimes they commit check it out…
Uncle Sam carries a big stick if he don’t get paid…