Respectfully…
The traditional problem is people trying to figure out how to do these things while sitting in front of the computer.
The best way to learn is by DOING. Much easier to skip the ‘noise’ that way.
But if you prefer reading instead of doing, with less noise, just read Paul’s posts and skip all the rest. Problem solved.
I still don’t understand how the claim “it picks up were Bert left off” applies. It still is muddling were Bert left off when I read it.
I’m not sure if you took my suggestion personally or what?..
If it’s supposed to be a how-to tutorial for beginners, which I thought it was, I’m merely suggesting
that making it concise and compartmentalized will be easier for the intended audience.
as a suggestion for those who like prefer watch versus do may I recommend that you hunt down the original “how too” documentary on the subject, Tom Sullivan’s “Vacuum Bag Board Building with Tom Sullivan”.
This probably should be mandatory viewing for every composite board builder and a prerequisite to the Cerritos course.
I belive it was released by Victoria Video Productions maybe a decade before Bert’s post and well before the incarnation of Swaylocks. Unfortunately it’s out of commercial print so tracking down a copy will be an adventure in itself.
Tom was an early poster here in 2000(check the archives).
The only difference between Tom’s 1990’s technique and bert was the use of high density rails and wood for skins otherwise the process is exactly the same.
Might look good on a 50" high def for the many swayloholic keyboard shapers out there…
Maybe I did.
But how are people posting here supposed to react to this:
eliminate the noise from the threads like "hey,
this is cool" or “I prefer to do it this way”…
Some people have this ability to sift thru noise w/o complaining.
What youre suggesting is that Paul takes time from HIS (busy) schedule to edit threads in order to satisfy your needs, instead of ‘editing’ the thread yourself in your head or on printed paper. Its must be hell for you to read “hey this is cool”. You must be too busy to go thru all that.
Maybe youre one of those millinials i keep hearing about.
sift through is exactly what I did. I searched and lived in the archives for quite awhile pulling all the info needed to make my own how to. It’s all there just gotta work for it a bit.
I started doing the same, putting bookmarks in to a directory structure…got bored and started on page 1 and worked forward from there.
I checked my backups…pre swaylocks bookmark backup file is 2k.
post swaylocks…almost 100k…and that’s just the cream…and the first 100 pages or so.
Hey Otay,
What is your muddling? In my language, there are 3 explanantions,
<span style="font-weight:bold">muddling</span> [the ~] (bungling) <a href="http://www.interglot.com/thesaurus.php?word=gemier&SrcLang=2&DstLang=1" class="bb-url"><img src="http://www.interglot.com/images/icon-1.gif" alt="" class="bb-image" /></a> <a href="http://www.interglot.com/toclipboard.php?b=2&d=1&t=muddling&s=bungling&w=gemier" class="bb-url">gemier</a> [het ~] basically small talk <a href="http://www.interglot.com/thesaurus.php?word=gezeur&SrcLang=2&DstLang=1" class="bb-url"><img src="http://www.interglot.com/images/icon-1.gif" alt="" class="bb-image" /></a> <a href="http://www.interglot.com/toclipboard.php?b=2&d=1&t=muddling&s=bungling&w=gezeur" class="bb-url">gezeur</a> [het ~] <span style="font-weight:bold">muddling</span> [the ~] (bungling) <a href="http://www.interglot.com/thesaurus.php?word=geknoei&SrcLang=2&DstLang=1" class="bb-url"><img src="http://www.interglot.com/images/icon-1.gif" alt="" class="bb-image" /></a> <a href="http://www.interglot.com/thesaurus.php?word=gemodder&SrcLang=2&DstLang=1" class="bb-url"><img src="http://www.interglot.com/images/icon-1.gif" alt="" class="bb-image" /></a> <a href="http://www.interglot.com/toclipboard.php?b=2&d=1&t=muddling&s=bungling&w=gemodder" class="bb-url">gemodder</a> [het ~] not advancing. working in mud <span style="font-weight:bold">muddling</span> [the ~] (messing) not working neatly, spilling <a href="http://www.interglot.com/thesaurus.php?word=geknoei&SrcLang=2&DstLang=1" class="bb-url"><img src="http://www.interglot.com/images/icon-1.gif" alt="" class="bb-image" /></a> <a href="http://www.interglot.com/toclipboard.php?b=2&d=1&t=muddling&s=messing&w=geknoei" class="bb-url">geknoei</a> [het ~] <a href="http://www.interglot.com/thesaurus.php?word=gemors&SrcLang=2&DstLang=1" class="bb-url"><img src="http://www.interglot.com/images/icon-1.gif" alt="" class="bb-image" /></a> <a href="http://www.interglot.com/toclipboard.php?b=2&d=1&t=muddling&s=messing&w=gemors" class="bb-url">gemors</a> [het ~]Wouter
Here’s a very quiet step by step:
prepare yourself to spend time, money and effort…especially money
gather equipment
gather materials
make/assemble your core
shape your core
make or prep your skins
vac press skin or skins on to your shaped core
final shape your assembled blank
glass your shaped blank
add fins or fin system
sand & finish
go surfing
That’s it. Twelve or so steps with no noise.
(the devilsh little details at and between each of those steps should be learned by DOING. When your done, go back to step 1 and re asses your desire to continue making more. Just dont forget to check your credit cards and bank accounts make sure youre still in the black)
It’s all there just gotta work for it a bit.
Thank you. Here’s to you!
Here's a very quiet step by step:
prepare yourself to spend time, money and effort…especially money
gather equipment
gather materials
make/assemble your core
shape your core
make or prep your skins
vac press skin or skins on to your shaped core
final shape your assembled blank
glass your shaped blank
add fins or fin system
sand & finish
go surfing
That’s it. Twelve or so steps with no noise.
(the devilsh little details at and between each of those steps should be learned by DOING. When your done, go back to step 1 and re asses your desire to continue making more. Just dont forget to check your credit cards and bank accounts make sure youre still in the black)
even your technique fails to mention how to get the wood or composite material on the rails or when to do it, Do you do it pre skins. post skins, are they parboiled?? Also I don’t understand # 1 either. All I hear is 4 hour builds and 40 dollars spent. If I do 2 boards at once and both skins together should #6 reads "make or prep your foreskins??? Does smegma have epoxy like properties??? I need to know
even your technique fails to mention how to get the wood or composite material on the rails or when to do it,
hopefully sometime before your finished. when does surftech do it?
Also I don’t understand # 1 either. All I hear is 4 hour builds and 40 dollars spent.
Correction. Thats 8-10 hours and $100-150 depending on fin system
If I do 2 boards at once and both skins together should #6 reads "make or prep your foreskins??? Does smegma have epoxy like properties???
Excellent question! Please let us know when you find out. Please feel free to start a new thread with that info…it should be a dandy! Take photos.
The dcell goes on the rails right after the button is pushed.
No can do on the photos cuz my camera is pixil rated not dixil.
Also I will take 100 of your $100 dollar boards and I will pay $200 dollars each for them. Your choice of fin box, no fins needed.
Ah yes, the special button…
So when you guys say 8-10 hours is it the kind where I show up at your house at 8 am, give you the money,go back to my car and listen to the radio until 6 pm and you bring me out a board ready to ride? Or is it more like an hour here, 2 hours there, 25 minutes here, and 10 days later I have my board? Just curious.
It took me 14 hours just to read the how to section.
you must have missed the bit about ‘filtering’ on page 1…
the blank takes 3 hours to construct and ready to glass in 3 1/2
i have put one together a lot faster with basic gear
im doing 12 hour shifts at the moment
will update the next step today
now i use 60kg PCM density airex foam for my perimeter stringers and it works great and shapes well .dvynicell or corecell will also work.
i buy a 15mm thick sheet and cut between 30mm to 40mm wide, straight strips the length of a sheet(a sheet is usually 8ft by 4 ft)
lay out your rail on some paper like here and then you can get width/height measurements before you cut your strip of pvc
its is unecessary to cut the rocker into the strips, as you can bend the foam easily
it can be warmed with a heatgun and bent over around a simple jig and clamped for a few minutes
this is less wasteful then cutting a curved strip as in berts thread
also with this little drawing you can work out your rail band cuts
so you cut the outline
true up with a sanding block if neccesary
then you glue on the tail block first
that way when you clamp on the stringers, they have a strong material at the tail to glue on to
the stringers are glued on with a fast setting epoxy and held in place with masking tape
its best to let some overlap on the bottom of the board a mm or so
So when you guys say 8-10 hours is it the kind where I show up at your house at 8 am, give you the money,go back to my car and listen to the radio until 6 pm and you bring me out a board ready to ride? Or is it more like an hour here, 2 hours there, 25 minutes here, and 10 days later I have my board? Just curious.
thats the good thing about being self employed
i can just say rack off man im not making you one
same as with the high class jewellery
i find the fusiest people also cant make up there mind and want the cheapes price and are never happy
luckily i can spot these types a mile away
but to answer you question
i only make boards for people i like or are polite and nice and friendly
and i make them wait at least 2 weeks to a month
lucky they can go and get a popout from the local snake
Some people have this ability to sift thru noise w/o complaining.
I’m with afoof on this. The thing is, this is ‘advertised’ as a how to for the newbie. If you need to sift through a how to to figure out what’s relevant and what’s not, then IMHO it’s not much of a how too anymore. How does a newbie even know what is relevant? The information is pretty much already here and on compsand if you sift through it all. But that’s part of the problem, there is too much information already. Just figuring out how to put on the rails will give you about half a dozen ways…
Paul and the rest of the gang at compsand should have the right tools to keep it nice and tidy without having to spend extra time editing others posts.
That said, I appreciate the effort.