"et tu, Brute!" = Surftech Rusty @ ASR show

aHH i I don’t like surftech . . . it’s very stiff . . . and for a longboard (which mine was) it just wasn’t right. When I got a used Harbour, it was just more enjoyable (plus my skills were progressing incrementally). Plus when riding a wave, and the chop, surftech just bounces around. Sometimes that’s cool, but you can get tired of it.

You have to remember that the top American shapers are running a business. I think it’s weird, they are going the “microsoft” route . . . (taking a long time to bring quality improvements, using propaganda, knowing they will always have a place to stay did you know XP still uses same software architecture as windows 95?). Rather than seeking new ways to do things better, they just rehash old stuff to new.

This outsourcing stuff isn’t new. But with CnC machines, the master (say Rusty and his top ghost shapers) come up with the design. The machine spits it out, and all it needs is the nose / tail block that the machine held the blank to be sanded off and someone to glass it. It’s labor from that end. Unfortunately US labor isn’t cheap, however it is high quality. But outsourcing to areas with similar quality . . . you can see it textiles, mass production lines … stuff that requires doing the same thing over and over again . . . US labor in those areas are expensive (for the same output / quality etc) as compared to 3rd world. Plus outsourcing allows you to get past health / environment / standard biz practices rules, and basically make up your own . . .

Just like Information Technology. I think I must’ve lost 4 jobs because at $18/hr for computer techical support over the phone, most companies realize they go to India where people have good education and pay them at $5/hr, which rocks (for India standard of living) for them.

Rather than capitalizing on the strengths of the American worker and American workplace, they’ve decided to go cheap.

Look at Rusty’s Ads. Foam Fiberglass Fabric Fun. They’re going for the old PU is the way we’ve done it, so we’ll do it the right way. Most of you know the stagnation surfboard industry is . . .

They (surf industry) didn’t see surftech as a threat. Also several of their own were perpetrating in the mix.

But then came along China. World class at copying. Someone posted in another forum, that their surfboards were cheap. But then they have some knock offs of top shapers that look identical, right rocker, rails, tails , , , with excellent glassing.

Now they realize there is competition. There is a threat. But if you can’t beat them, join THEM! Rusty’s decided, we’ll outsource. We’ll use cheap labor they have, lessened restrictions on their soil, plus the Rusty name! Yeah, we’ll get them!

Now everyones in a switch. See American surfboard shapers shouldn’t focus on a weakness (cheap labor), and getting away from strict regulations and use that as leverage in the business place. They should focus on what makes America uber, use that as a leverage point. Like using new technology, the creative and intellectual skillz of Americans.

You don’t fight the way the other guy fights best, like going toe to toe on cheap labor. You don’t focuse on being able to flout environmental, government, societal etc rules, to build better and win. Dude, that’s their strength. They will win. 3rd world n Cobra’s strength is no rules and cheap labor.

You fight on a level you choose, using creativity, which they can’t copy. You fight using well developed technology (computer, manufacturer, robotic, materials etc), which it’ll take them 10-20 years to come around to, if that. You fight with the dedicated American worker, and loyalty to your cause . . . Nike starts paying 4 cents more and Cobra just lost its top car paint mixer. Does Cobra have access to people who surf and can give good feedback? But I hear America does have people who surf. YOu fight using creative and intellectual scope. Can cobra bust out chambered balsa? Or hollow boards al la Jensen. They wouldn’t even know balsa if a block hit them in their face! Do they have nearly 100 years of surf background to draw upon?

I think in the long run this will hurt Rusty . . . And other American shapers that choose their business competition on the advantages that outsourcers posses

Lost is looking outside . . . it’s good to do that . . . There’s other posts in other forums how Aussie shapers get together and have pow-wow’s and form shaping conglomerates and put $$ into R&D into surfboards etc . . . Maybe explains Bert’s mad skillz? The reasoning is there are ‘ghost’ shapers that are well known in the ASP top 44, that are go to’s for magic boards . . . Lost wants a piece of the action, since they don’t want to improve technology wise or material wise, so they need new shapes to go along with it. Look at how they brought back the Mark Richards twin fin . …

Anycase Lost realizes it can capitalize on this . . . using Aussie shapes . . . plus Lost doesn’t have to spend much on R&D, they just wait for the Aussie shapers to do that, then allow them US market penetration and a chance to handle the shapes the top 44 so love.

But Lost is lost because they aren’t really making themselves better. They’ve contained surfboard shaping in a box. Only hand shaping . . . and borrowing outside R&D, instead of their own . . .

I gotta give props to guys like Bert, Segway, Greg L etc for showing us other means of surfboard shaping . . . Like that long post on Flex . . . dang, that was good stuff. . .

Personally I think the surf industry can do better.

Does this… http://www.mfgratech.com/

Have anything to do with this?.. http://www.avisosurf.com/

Or this?.. http://www.bisect.com/

Note that Pope Bisect line up now includes shapes by Santa Cruz shaper Bob Miller. Also note that Aviso is featuring boards branded as “Lost”, “Velzy”, “Surf RX”, etc…

IF, (big if) Gratech is manufacturing those boards, I would say they are as technologically advanced as anything out there. Hollow prepreg Carbon Fiber/Epoxy cured under heat, tuned flex patterns, etc.

The Aviso website claims to have workers experienced in composite “Radome” manufacturing. Gratech makes Radomes. I’m not sure if there is a connection. Obviously the hollow carbon fiber thing has been offered by Pope for at least three years now.

In any case, Gratech is USA and Lost, etc. are stepping up to the plate with high tech construction technology. Big question is will the surfing community embrace the new technology and open wallets?

Nice research selection, John. Writing as one who once was involved in the manufacture of small aluminum radomes using at the core basic Bronze Age forming technique, I can tell you the materials (composites) opened up the manufacturing methods and allowed the size of the potential product go from about a max of 8’-12’ diameter to the advertised 180’! Huge!. Certainly design requirements dictated material usage in many cases, and material and manufacturing methods dictated cost/price, but it was a whole new world.

I would like to be kind and not mention the ominous ISO-9000 compliance note at the Gratech site, as I have issues with that whole concept when forcibly applied with a wide brush. However, for them to claim compliance or certification indicates a corporation which has serious resources and intentions. As customers require this now almost across the board, so to speak, it means the manufacturer maintains a core base competency the surf industry can only dream of. This is also part of the reason the governments buy $50 hammers and $65 toilet seats…the basic shop rates are high.

The Aviso and Bi-Sect websites are also great examples of how surf manufacturers should all be operating if they want to be more than mom-and-pop size. Their products are apparently among the most expensive in the surf world, but they show and explain why they are worth it. No Bro/Ho mojo advertising. No giving a starving dog a rubber bone. Also apparently no surfwear product line tie-in…

with all respects—iso 9000?! give me a break, riding down the face of a wave, i could not care if the shop i got the board was iso 9000, iso 2000 , or whatever.if that was the case , in the future, surfboard companys would be few and far apart.

“In 2001 Cobra received ISO 9002 certification by Bureau Veritas Quality International (BVQI), and claims to be the only manufacturer of windsurf and surf boards to have this quality systems validation.” (Cobra website)

Cobra International (parent corp of Surftech and the entire Global Surf line) has claimed ISO 9002 certification since 2001… as Nels points out, it can be taken with a grain of salt but does indicate some sort of commitment to maintaining quality control. Certainly Gratech, whether they make surfboards or not, adheres to strict quality control standards.

In the future, surfboards companies may indeed be few and far apart…

Yea John

When I talked to Jeff Johnston he said they start at $1500 for a 6’2" AVISO so you gotta be committed.

But like he explained when the serious guys are looking at breaking 10-15 boards a year those numbers don’t look bad at all…

But the new tech is expensive…

Kolstoff and Bisects are just as expensive as are the Hydroepics

As far as ISO9000 for those who don’t understand

it means alot to the big money people if you’re looking for investors…

How do you think Cobra can support such a big operation in such a finicky market such as sports lifestyle…

You want me to drop 10-20 million on your idea? well you better not be a BS fly by night operator like most surf shop operations look like to wallstreet check writers…

How many shops actually run on a well developed business plan and can bring a major profit week to week, month to month, quarter to quarter and year to year… When you’re using someones else’s money to finance your lifestyle you better deliver or you’re history just like all the other failed great ideas…

If you are an artist off course none of this matters, but then you don’t care about the rest of the world anyway…

I like what Lost did with MR and Cheal… getting those guy more exposure as well as their venture with Aviso but the question is why isn’t he promoting Bert’s stuff.

So you ask yourself there some type of ostrich head in the sand problem going on here or is there no validaty to the promise of the new tech… Only Matt knows his motives as does everyone else not serving as distributor for “Surfburgers”. When are they gonna show up on a rack some where you can touch feel and buy…

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with all respects—iso 9000?! give me a break, riding down the face of a wave, i could not care if the shop i got the board was iso 9000, iso 2000 , or whatever.if that was the case , in the future, surfboard companys would be few and far apart.

I’m with you - but in this era of consolidation and mass manufacturing it is an improtant conceptual thing to be aware of. First off, this is about manufacturing products, not retailing them. As such it pretty much will never apply to shaping, but certainly could have applications to glassing shops (really these are factories or job shops). There are a lot of beneficial things to the ISO world, but they require a lot of time and money to maintain and thus are relegated to bigger businesses. Thre is also a certain dehumanizing, lunatic thought process inherent in parts of it. For just one example, to be certified you have to pay thousands of dollars to outside auditors to examine you periodically. One of the things which you must be compliant in has to do with job instructions. The concept insists that you have detailed job instructions for every position, right down to instructing the secretary as to the proper procedure for turning on the computer. It insists that the job instructions allow anyone who is physically capable to simply pick up a manual, read it, and be able to perform the job duty…pretty much on the spot, if the auditor is a buggering wanker.

Again, this obviously isn’t going to take over the surfboard shaping world, but there is significant potential for this to somehow get legislated into the glassing or alternate construction methods. City or county bylaws which might require ISO compliance or certification for glass shops to get permits…that kind of thing.$$$$. It forces the cost of quality/environmental complance/inspection onto the business.

Anyway, the new technology John’s websites were about comes out of that world, seeking new sources of income. The technology itself is benign in a social sense, but the business concerns and background isn’t Velzy Hip-pocket 101.

I don’t know anyone who hasn’t talken religious vows that is not interested in making a buck!

I’ve seen a couple surftechs that I really liked. The Phil Byrne 6 channels are my kind of board. You never see them on the rack, I think because they’re hard to shape and glass. But I couldn’t stand the price, and didn’t like the plasticky look. I’ve ordered my last custom board because I’ve decided from now on to make my own.

Like some mentioned I called every surf and glass shop listed in LA, one of the world’s biggest cities, and could not find one that would glass in epoxy. Not even as a more expensive alternative.

Now I know this is really another post, but what saddens me is not the Surftechs, it’s the fact that a few companies have monopolized the industry. It used to be that every shop had its own boards. Now every shop has Merricks, HIC, Lost, Rusty, and a half a dozen others. I grew up in Palos Verdes (don’t hate me for that) and it used to be that even “shop” boards were looked down on and everyone rode Zen Del RIos, Angelo Ferraras, Joe Barks and J.Lessings, none of whom have ever had a shop. Now I see the groms on…Merricks, Lost, Rustys. OK great shapers, but are those boards really any less a mass produced pop out than a Surftech? Or does the fact that the guy making the board is some Asian guy trying to feed his family make it that much more disgusting?

nels , btw- i love your product, and im just the type of person to pay for a higher quality, higher PERFORMANCE, and higher durability product.why buy the same thing 4 times over? i and others have no problem plunking down ,lets say $1000 for a GOOD poly longboard, tints, polish , and all that, or other shape. but heres the problem, "or solution"the surfboard industry is starting to resemble the computer business of 10 years ago, or auto business 75 years ago, in that smaller firms got bought out, or run out by more savy outfits , with lower operating costs with better marketing etc… do you remember the thousands of computer companies that would make you a pentium 100 , with a 1 gig hardrive for $3000 usd?, where are they today?. now it seams like there is just dell. hell you can go and pick up a kick ass system for $500 at wall-mart right now. next time your in wal mart check out how cheap they can make, ship, and make a profit off a mountan bike from china $75!!! if they can do that with a fabricated steel product think of what they could do to the surfboard business ,yeah its low quality but they sell millions of them. surf -techs, nsp, china boards ,ron jons, blue, realm, and other imports are every where in the lineups , its scarry, in my area “florida” id say almost a 50% market share now,one would have to be totaly clueless to not figure out whats about to take place-------the writing is on the wall. ten years from now the ranks could be alot thinner

As for the Rusty Surftech, the only thing I’m surprised about is that he waited this long to sign on. Rusty at this point is just a “brand”. The more things he can put his “brand” on the more money he can make. That’s the bottom line.

shannonk, this comment seems off to me

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its scarry, in my area "florida" id say almost a 50% market shar

I’m in Central Florida and all this talk of pop-outs and Chinese boards taking over the market has seemed weird to me since I rarely see any Surftechs or many of the other imports you mentioned. I only know two people personally that have bought Surftechs, and they’ve both sold them after a few months of riding them. Quite the contrary, I know about a dozen guys who ride custom handshaped eps/epoxy boards around here. These are guys I personally surf with. I’ve been seeing ALOT more locally made epoxy boards lately as well from a variety of local shapers. Not that I think Chinese boards aren’t here, it’s just I don’t see the numbers of people riding them that would warrant any concern. Maybe the proximity to the RR factory and the multiple shops in this area that solely turn out epoxy boards has isolated this area a bit.

Hmm, one thing about this forum, is I’ve learned more about the surf industry and surfboard manufacturing than 6 months of reading other forums, surfing magazines . . . and some factors that go into it (such as flex, spring etc).

I was wrong about some points regarding Lost, I didn’t know they were looking into carbon fiber stuffs . . . maybe they are looking into new tech, and alternate construction methods? Maybe they are thinking ahead and realizing how to leverage American strengths for competitiveness.

I have a question . . . how does these new composite boards use the flex, spring, torsion, shape, surfer’s weight and type of waves . . . that Bert / Greg were talking about?

Only here have I heard about that. When I used to snowboard, other snowboarders spoke about flex and spring were spoken, as well as shape to different types of snow. . .

Also I noticed how they don’t get 100% away from black boards.

One experience with a dark purple surfboard (even with blue label wax) and warm LJ waters . . . is enough.

Also I’ve noticed French’s Surftech model is being used with Adviso’s foray into the surfboard market . . . given their market share, it’s a good biz model to follow . . .

But word of mouth is what gets people. Most of the products I’m loyal to are because someone swore up and down it was the bomb, and I tried it, and agreed with them (AMD, toyota, honda etc, Al Merricks . . . Harbour, sex wax) . . .

But $1500 for a shortboard? Even if it is new tech . . . I’d only plunk that kinda billz if I could demo it and I loved it . . .

Nels, I agree with you . . . surfboards are personal in that nature . … I think why surftech is gotten a bad rap is because they aren’t customizable . … If shapers could get new technology that allowed customization that current pu or wood does … It’d be easier to swallow.

What went across my mind when I came to the aviso site was hmmm I like the dims of that board, but like the fin system of that other model, and I like the shape of that one . . . I know I can get a Merrick my way, (but not right away) . . .

As for the ISO 9XXX stuff, I think it’s good. Standards help define things, so everyone involved knows it. NASA had some FUBARs because of calculations that were borked due to Metric conversions … You know the composites you’re getting from ISO will have a certain level of quality, cost etc . . .

its all marketing, if the higher volume surfshops in my area, or someone elses push southcoast,bic,nsp, on all thier newbies, then thats what will start to slowly “pop” up in the local breaks.it all comes down to supply demand marketing. alot of the people into surf lessons etc…dont even know what they want untill they show up in the shop.in some other markets they could be pushing local or shop brands"good for them=)"they obviously have more class.it still kills me that some one can pull up to a surf shop to a $40,000 suv and then give the sales person a hard time over a $500 merrick or whatever brand. surfers can be so damn cheap

Looking at that Aviso site,

I’m struck by the radically different viewpoint it presents on flex and bottom contour.

They’re saying that the deck is independent of the bottom, because the board is hollow,

…and that this is an advantage because the shapers intended rocker line does’nt change!

So does that mean your foot pressure never changes the bottom line?

Thats about as different from the sandwich composite flex theories as…

The Avisos are’nt “Composite” right? They have no core. There’s no change in densities anywhere.

Hope nobody who does’nt like them does’nt have a cordless power drill…

Very interesting to ride, I’m sure, but as with surftech, the intention is to make more durable faithful replicas of “proven” shapes, by famous guys…

Who have only ever shaped in PU…

Whats the point of making a “Faithful replica” in materials which have entirely different characteristics?

Speedneedle

Just a comment on iso ratings for people who are interested and know little about it. The comments from other above are true.

It’s easy to find out these things, but the numbers relate to different applications, development, production, manufacturing, different industries, etc.

The company I worked for received it’s iso rating while I was there, and I had to develop our original workshop procedure. This procedure must include everything, from how and who you aquire materials, how you accept and undertake work, storage and use of materials, quality control, etc, etc, etc, etc.

All very good for a financially secure company who want to be recognised internationally.

After an exhausting auditing process, which I’m sure is also covered by some iso rating somewhere, I found out something interesting from the auditors, each of who were specialists in their own field.

Even though the company being audited complies fully with all the requirements, the iso rating does not guarantee that the product the company produces will work.

It will cover how it’s made, who it’s made by, when it was made, what it was made from, how it was inspected, who inspected it, how it was released, where the materials came from, etc, etc, etc, but does not guarantee it will work.

That was made very clear to me by seperate auditors, who I guess were doing iso rated jobs themselves.

Just something to keep in mind.

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Now I know this is really another post, but what saddens me is not the Surftechs, it’s the fact that a few companies have monopolized the industry. It used to be that every shop had its own boards. Now every shop has Merricks, HIC, Lost, Rusty, and a half a dozen others. I grew up in Palos Verdes (don’t hate me for that) and it used to be that even “shop” boards were looked down on and everyone rode Zen Del RIos, Angelo Ferraras, Joe Barks and J.Lessings, none of whom have ever had a shop. Now I see the groms on…Merricks, Lost, Rustys. OK great shapers, but are those boards really any less a mass produced pop out than a Surftech? Or does the fact that the guy making the board is some Asian guy trying to feed his family make it that much more disgusting?

Good points: Merrick, Rusty, and Lost are just as guilty. They continue to make and push inferior glassed boards that will tear up so customers will come in and buy another. I have seen good glass jobs on all of the above ( well, maybe not Lost) but most of the shop boards I see are light glassed.

Also, Merrick’s good quality is that he has surrounded himself with good shapers more than being such a great shaper himself. I remember how his boards used to look back when they were handshaped. Not bad, but Many Many Many other shapers boards looked better. He obviously knew something about bottoms and rails though.

Merrick was smart though and saw where the martket was headed and got himself a couple of surfers that would change the way boards were sold. Without Curren’s superstar status, which then followed with Slater, I serioulsy doubt his company would stand out as it does today. Rusty, on the other hand was one heck of a good shaper. He did have that magic touch, and his boards were highly sought even when he was with Canyon. It’s funny even he ended up mostly pushing thin lightly glassed surfboards. Lost, nothing but marketing. Should not even be considered with Merrick and Rusty, both of which paid their dues and learned their craft for years prior to their sucess.

The difference between the mass production of these and Surftechs is that with the Merricks and Rusty’s they are not making claims of superior product as much as they are saying ride us and you will surf like…

I suspect in the future they will do as I have heard Walden has done, and have production moved to China. Americans are an anything for a dollar cheaper society.

The real crisis is NOT the imports or the mass machine produced Merricks and Rustys, but the lack of young shapers learning a craft from true masters and learning it right. Not simply shaping easy to shape blanks and pointed noses.

I don’t see any future Geoff Mccoys, Steve Forstalls, Terry Martins, Skip Frys, Jim Philips, Ricky Carrolls or many of the others. The master shaper of old is the last of a dying breed.

The soul of a surfboard comes from the craftmanship of it’s builder and the interaction with the customer. When Merrick said there is no soul in shaping a board, he was partly right, but there is soul put into the craftmanship and there is soul in educating your customer. How do you think we got the varied culture we have within surfing. How is it that us surfers can meet anywhere in the world and pretty much relate when it comes to surfing. You can’t bottle that, because the surfboard buying masses will never get it. They will only read about it and pretend as they are riding their poopout or chinese made comodity. The real deal means less today in mass, but most experienced surfers I know eventually end up back in front of a master.

That is why, I don’t think this stuff will take over. It will eventually simply go out of vouge. Problem is, if all it leaves are the mass production places like Rusty, Lost and Merrick, what does that leave us?

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As for the ISO 9XXX stuff, I think it’s good. Standards help define things, so everyone involved knows it. NASA had some FUBARs because of calculations that were borked due to Metric conversions … You know the composites you’re getting from ISO will have a certain level of quality, cost etc . . .

I need to tidy up a couple of things on a quick hit here…don’t have the time I used to anymore…

ISO ratings: Hiro comment above is absolutely right and illustrates probably the peak of ISO benefit…materials, components. Standardizes process when manufacturing long run products, eventually reduces cost (in theory this allows the business to reduce prices to icnrease their sales…this is the reason this is being mandated by Boeing and the aerospace people). If you buy materials from an ISO rated company, especially one which takes it seriously, you will have just about as much likelihood of good product/good business experience as you can hope for. Even the paperwork is audited: customer returns, complaints, resolutions.

Where the ISO stuff gets really hinky is when it is forced on manufacturing operations which really are more of a craft than a machine cranked assembly line. Handshaping a surfboard is a craft, one-off items. Scrubbing a machined blank is not so much. The Surftech thing is not a craft at all; the plugs all had to originate from a hand shape, which in general business would be called a prototype, but after that its all in the machines. Glassing businesses, on the other hand, are just the type of thing which could benefit from ISO operational procedures. The problem there is the cost of it- totally prohibitive. My earlier mention of this had to do with the ominous thought that local governmental entities might take it upon themselves to make that some sort of requirement in hopes of forcing all costs of inspection and compliance onto the business with obvious catastrophic results to the business. This gives the agencies plausible deniability - after all, they didn’t force the glass shop to close…the shop owners just didn’t want to spend the money to be certified ISO compliant …everybody may surf these days or own surfboards at least but all the NIMBYs don’t want to be near industrial work sites.

When you see any company with ISO certification you know you are dealing with a manufacturer on a level so far above 90% of all surf businesses that the “Bro’s” can’t even comprehend it, and they have the economic and technical resources to make an impact. That might be a good thing too, since all the material innovations in surfing since wood seem to have come from other industries first.

Marketing: I enjoy slamming the marketing aspect of surfing, mostly because it has been so richly deserving of almost every kick in the groin it gets. In general, with occasional exceptions, the marketing to surfers is an insult to basic human intelligence. It is the proverbial rubber bone being given to enthusiastic starving surf dogs. The surf media, in particular, has failed pretty much since the inception of modern pro surfing post Mark Richards, certainly since 1990. It isn’t real journalism, at best is advocacy journalism, and really doesn’t reflect “Surfing” as the huge majority experience it. I won’t go into the economics of the thing, ties with advertisers etc. The websites John posted earlier were good examples of how a couple of new-tech surf equipment builders can use media/marketing to educate consumers about the value of their products.

Edit/add: The differentiating between “craft” of a hand shape and the blank scrubbing or Surftech aspects of board manufacture isn’t meant to be judgemental on my part…this just illustrates a difference of process

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Sooo…

Let’s just say that YOU are a domestic shaper looking for a contract glasser who does the full composite thing at a high level of quality control in large volume on a deadline.

Who you gonna call???

Call HDX 714-379-5533 I can do any layup glass kevlar carbon sandwitch vac bag you name it. Foams XPS EPS PVC PU I can make any blank foil. All boards shaped with cnc one off computer designed in 15 min right in front of you. Concave Vee Channels you name it up to 12’ Epoxy or poly. One off custom EPS epoxy 6’-3" cnc shaped with 4 layers 450.00 in 30 days or less.

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Call HDX 714-379-5533 I can do any layup glass kevlar carbon sandwitch vac bag you name it. Foams XPS EPS PVC PU I can make any blank foil. All boards shaped with cnc one off computer designed in 15 min right in front of you. Concave Vee Channels you name it up to 12’ Epoxy or poly. One off custom EPS epoxy 6’-3" cnc shaped with 4 layers 450.00 in 30 days or less.

When heat is applied the water begins to warm towards a boil…philosophical rocks chucked into the cyber seas create ripples which may turn to waves…anybody in the 714 want to buy a little gasoline to throw on the fire?

for the new swaylopedia dictionary section …

releasing a surftech model = im retiring …

oneula …

hey dude it doesnt happen over night …

you think that 1 year back log just disolved into thin air???

slow and steady wins the race …

so many points got made that were right on …

right now with so much happening all at once , survival is probably the most important thing on most peoples minds …

if board builders think aligning with cobra will ensure there survival , thats the choice they made …

a feeding frenzy has been started , cobra was the first big fish in for a feed , all that did was alert the bigger fish to the action …

everyone will look back and say , wow the good old days , remember when it was only cobra we had to contend with …

rusty and merrick , are just pawns , the real players are on another level …

sorry if this sounds cryptic …

its just that i had no idea until recently how many players were out there looking for pawns …

survival in this business in todays enviroment means your either doing something real different or your on a bigger team …

randy just collected another playing peice …

just as woraphan did when he picked up randy …

ultimatly thats the price you pay for not developing new technology , survival means alligning with a bigger team …

everyone who has joined the surftech team has sent out a strong signal , we cant compete on our own anymore …

its a sad day indeed when my 10 year old son could clearly explain to either rusty or al how to get performance out of a modern composite board and what it needed to make it work …or what pressure to dial in the vacuum regulator so the desired flex is achieved for the resin ratio being used …

like i said , retirement …

let me put your face on my product and i will pay you to go fishing …

the surfboard industry is just evolving to cater for the first generation of retirees …

thats not where the future of the sport is …

what anyone can do to a piece of urethane will have about as much influence on performance surfing as rubbing 2 sticks together …

i gota get back to the kitchen …

regards

BERT

Howzit Bert, Aloha! Soon to licen$e the technology= retiree= back to the kitchen. What’s for dinner? Aloha…RH