M Sea Rider posted this link on T2S, I'm posting it here for anyone interested. Geoff McCoy shares his theories on a variety of different aspects of surfboard design.
No way…no how!
They’ll have to pry it from my cold, dead hands!
As Huck said…and it was his post to start with, politeness
“…Huckleberry is not a desciple of Geoff. He’s just another poster here
who likes to share. Could be less sinister than you think.”
I think Huckleberry posting about McCoy is at least as sinister as Kooster buying his food at Cole’s!
Every surfer,
Good point and my mistake as i was generalising (silly ol me) based on the history of posts on this subject that go way back.
Appologies to Huck or any others that took offence.
This can all be so easily fixed by Geoff just coming out. Geez if you check the contents of his website (one of the most polished commercial sites any shaper has with a global presence) it is hard to believe he has not enough computer skills to log onto sways.
Why are people getting so twisted over such a simple question? There is no hate, no conspiracy, no personal issue whatso ever
Rocky
Lobster , I think your the only one gettin twisted over this man , it was just a thread about some vids .....remember ?
Hey Kookster , I also am a disciple of Coles . However I blasphemed recently , when I purchased some essentials at the Temple of Woolworths in Tweed Heads.......forgive me....
hey Rock , I work with lots of people , I am not a deciple and I dont live in a temple . The "FFS" was just to nudge you along abit , mate.............I mean long drawnout posts full of snide inuendo and still not stating your point ?..........I.was just tryin to help you spit it out
Thanks Kuyu,
I must have missed something because I thought I have spat it out several times
i don’t know if you have followed previous threads on the McCoy saga, if so refresh your memory or if not maybe too late as not sure if they were removed or just blocked.
Any way the point being is that it is one thing for Geoff himself to get on here and extroll the virtues of his wares (which i understand he has avoided, yet allows disciples to stir the pot while hiding behind them), which is frowned upon as using Sways as a free advertising platform. Many shapers contribute and sure they get a subtle leg over for themselves but they also contribute to debate on a wide range of subjects and offer assitance and advice.
The past on the McCoy posts have been way different and many legitimate questions or challenges to some quite bizarre claims were met with abuse and one being written off as a Geoff basher which in turn fuelled more of the same.
If you have followed Solo’s many contributions to Sways he is a very experienced and considered member. He was a huge follower of Geoff and his boards , so much so he became the mainland distributer…but in rather typical form Geoff moved the playing field and left Solo out in the cold. If Solo now tries to expose the facts to get some balance toward the truth, he is howled down by the disciples while Geoff knows the truth of what happened and plays ‘the poor old Guru who doen’t know how to use a computer’ card…gimme a break.
Funny how Geoff is so pure and has no computer in his temple but is deeply involved with a long and detailed video production…all, I would imagine, using computer editing and shot using latest technology…so someone very close has access to all of that and the net and sways…what does he sit in a half lotus all day in a dark room only emerging to pick up his asian royalty cheque or get instructions from the water as to what to shape next?
Some of us here find this type of marketing and hype very questionable…and that is all we are doing…asking questions and challenging points of view to explore their verasity…i still have not heard back from geoff or any disciples as to why the images of Cheyne seem to show the board bogging badly…maybe I am seeng things, maybe I hit a nerve.
Don’t post proagander without being prepared to substantiate it or be questioned about it…that is what I am spitting out.
Rocky…now with a dry mouth and empty throat.
I think most of this animosity may be because Geoff McCoy has an openly stated dislike of the big-business end of the surf industry , and states his opinion , when asked , in no uncertain manner haha!.........in any case , the videos are on his web-site , and not posted here as 'propagander' , as you call it.............................concerning the 'water has memory ' theory , I can relate to that ....water will always follow the path of least resistance , and so , is very predictable......the same way laminated carbon fibre has mind and memory , ie it will bend, and return to the same shape....................if you understood the comment to mean that " water sits down - reads a book- then remembers what's on page 15" , then maybe you do have a problem........
Maybe we should have a thread....."videos form surfboard makers websites".....there are some good ones out there !
1. Batoes did not say Geoff was the most knowledgable guy on here, he said Solo was - re-read his post.
2. I take exception to the fact that despite me answering directly and honestly your questions you still refer to me as a "disciple". Geoff has no idea I am on here - no-one even knows my name ffs. "allows disciples to stir the pot while hiding behind them" All I can say is grow up or get some medication man because if you think Geoff is behind my posts you have serious issues.
3. Yet again, you have turned what was a brilliant thread with people like me discussing the pros and cons of some simple videos and idea into some deep-seated desire to air dirty laundry from third parties.
4. Quite simply, you are attacking a bloke who is not even on here, and has absolutely no idea I am on here, or you are on here, so you're goading an imaginary enemy.
5. Re the video production. When people want something they can't do themselves it's quite normal to pay professionals to do it. I don't grow my own food - I buy it. Does that mean there's some conspiracy between me and Coles or the farmers they get their goods from?
6. "that is all we are doing...asking questions and challenging points of view to explore their verasity" You seriously can't believe your own words, can you? You're not "debating" a point, you have a vendetta that you have outed yourself as having a relationship issue with Geoff. You haven't allowed one person to say they like the boards without calling them a disciple. I have substantiated and ansewered your ultra-friggin-weird take on all this several times and you are now basically saying I am a liar by refusing to accept my answers.
8. Hooroo, I won't be back.
I’ve no argument in this debate, other than to say that Huckleberry is not a desciple of Geoff. He’s just another poster here who likes to share. Could be less sinister than you think.
Before any one corrects me I’d totally forgotten about the US labelled poly McCoy’s in my above post.
There’s seems to be plenty of Aussies that would love to try a McCoy with more than the standard single or thruster option in a Nugget planshape. That shows that plenty have a McCoy in the quiver in amongst other board types and fin configurations.
I’d be the most stoked if the winds would stop blowing onshore here. All roads to Noosa and the festival of surfing is on which means frothing crowds swarming over even the most insignficant lumps of water.
Looks like I’m paddling my sup in the river again today instead. Not bothering anyone at all.
Hey Huck,
I think our friend Kayu’s little acronym FFS = For F%$K Sake…quite good really…I think he is protecting the right to his site more than anything and rightly so as his site looks very smart, his work looks amazing, seems to have even more skills than the subject of this thread and in a much more subtle way…maybe the disciples are following the wrong Guru…geez he is only just up the road from the other temple.
good point re politeness as this thread is important in so much that it goes to the heart of an issue that has been simmering on here for a long time and was never fully explored because some impolite posters caused shut down, let us move forward on terms that may get abit wobbly but not abusive.
Rocky
OK, I learned a new one there. I'm putting my money on the one that ends in (polite form)
Batoes,
Three simple questions…please give a simple answer…
1.You are one on Geoff’s supporters…yes or no?
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are you, or have you been, a beneficiary in any way what so ever from Geoff’s business or the McCoy label… yes or no?
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If answer to question two is no…what is it that fuels your support for Geoff and the McCoy brand whereby you doubt the word of the likes of Solo who have had legitimate business dealings with Geoff that went sour?
Rocky in waiting…funny how bulls&%t has an odour about it that is unpleasant
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Yes
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No
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I like the nugget, it rides well. I don’t doubt Solo’s word. In fact he is by far one of the most knowlegiable guys on swaylocks, not just in design but in his understanding of the industry. I’m sure he had legitimate business dealings with Geoff and based on a previous posting by McCoy, it looks as though those dealings are finished.
Now my question - you inferred in your post above that Geoff would know you from his first marriage? Were you married to Geoff McCoy?
This is interesting , Geoff McCoy simply puts some explanatory videos on his website and all these posts?...........his boards continue to be ridden all over the world , in all types of waves , by all levels of surfers................for a reason!
Hey Rocky,
There’s plenty of Geoff’s contemporaries that I bet don’t even surf anymore?
Could it be true that they are selling plenty more popouts or ghost shaped boards with their name on them than Geoff?
Could it also be true that plenty of them don’t do more than sign their name on the machine shaped blank?
At least when all is said and done when you buy a poly McCoy you get a real handshaped McCoy which was actually hand shaped by Geoff. (Yes I know he has Surftech ones).
There’s plenty of smoke and mirrors in the surf board making industry isn’t there?
If I didin’t know better it would seem like your’e jealous of the stoke he generates amongst those who are happy about riding his boards and his success amongst those who are sick of paddling submarines.
By the way Mono I just joined the ranks of those who sold a McCoy though I was quite happy with the zap as after a few surfs I had figured it out and was enjoying surfing it. The first surf I had on it was a disaster. It went better the more I surfed it.
I only sold it out of sheer economic necessity. I put it on Ebay and I’ve never had so many watchers,questions and interest for any board I’ve sold and I’ve had boards from THE biggest names (including Simon Anderson and MR and aren’t they the ones that are the big names in the story) in the Australian surboard industry,
I had to sell a handshaped MR rocket (as opposed to one of his Surftechs) at the same time and I was lucky I was able to sell it privately as I know it wouldn’t have garnered as much interest and solid bidding that the zap got.
Just as a sidenote Simon’s got his own line of popout Asian made sups now so McCoy’s look positively anorexic compared to the boards he’s riding.