I will also answer your questions. Yes I'm a massive McCoy fan. No I have never benefitted in any way from his business or his label, I am simply just a buyer of his boards. What fuels my support of the McCoy brand and the reason I post is a) I love surfing. b) The boards I have ridden from Geoff in the past two years have allowed me to surf twice as well as anything it took me the previous 13 or so years to achieve and now I love surfing even more.
And what bugs the shit out of me is that people on here are saying I am wrong because they think the boards don't work or something the shaper said doesn't sit well with them.
If I am the worst surfer on the planet then so be it, but don't tell me what I do an don't know about the way I surf and how these boards can ride. When I went to Tonga last year and pulled into DOH at ETs on a 6'0 Stumpy Nugget deeper than the rest of the lineup and a 17" tail held beautifully and shot me down the line time after time - well basically everyone else can eat shit because it happened. My mates are still talking about it and I'm stoked every time they mention it because I was the worst surfer in the crew by a long shot (I am a rubbish surfer 38yo who took up surfing at 22 and only surfs a couple of times a week).
And by the way, not trying to stir you up but saying some video of a board bogging is like have a vid of me riding one of Mick Fanning's boards and then saying DH is shit as a result.
For the record, Geoff is flat out turning a computer on. I waited four weeks for his missus to get home from a trip away to send me a spray design by email because he didn't know how to send me an attachment.
I like the nugget, it rides well. I don’t doubt Solo’s word. In fact he is by far one of the most knowlegiable guys on swaylocks, not just in design but in his understanding of the industry. I’m sure he had legitimate business dealings with Geoff and based on a previous posting by McCoy, it looks as though those dealings are finished.
Now my question - you inferred in your post above that Geoff would know you from his first marriage? Were you married to Geoff McCoy?
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Thanks for such a nice and quick reply…very refreshing.
Nice also were the comments re Solo…he has been dealt a hard card by what has gone down and it is apity that one with so much to offer has been drummed out when trying to elighten us to the real facts.
You say you enjoy the nugget, nice to hear you are happy.
You also say Geoff ‘is by far one of the most knowledgeable guys on Swaylocks’…problem here is HE IS NOT on Swaylocks…only persons peddling his marketing hype…so please stick to the facts mamm…just the facts.
No I was not married to Geoff…when surfing one day the water advised me against such commitment.
Maybe your second paragraph highlights the issue here…I am not saying YOU are wrong for enjoying and riding Geoff’s boards…I am saying that if every shaper on the planet with Geoff’s experience (and there any are many) used various disciples and followers of their personal beliefs, to post here on Sways promotional and blatant commercialism which is self supporting, non contemporary and downright questionable theory as to the properties of H20, then we would have a really screwed up forum of self satisfying jargon that would spiral into anarchy.
Likewise if every surfer who rode their proudest wave posted it here and gave all the credit to their shaper, we would either get NO pasts or plenty from those who simply do not comprehend that …yes your board played A paert in that ride…but geoff was not there to hold your hand or tell you how to ride the wave…who knows ya might have got twice as good a ride with one of Geoff’s pop outs from Asia or if you were riding a park bench.
But, hey taht is for you to know and believe and for us to wonder…so let the great man himself grace us with his knowledge here on Sways to enlighten us past the marketing blurb, what it is that he purports to know that will encourage me to step back in time. Where is the REAL McCOY
FFS Rocky, you blind ? McCoy didnt plaster Swaylocks with videos ......it's just a thread , buddy , by someone else.......about vids on a normal , legitimate website .........if you got axe to grind , just aim up and spit it out !
The most critical opinions of the mcCoys seem to come from
people with the most limited experience of different styles of boards
ridden. Rideing these Mccoys seems to be like getting married where your
committed to something your not sure of where its going but your
enjoying the trip . They seem to cause enthusiasm in your surfing. I
got a call a week after i picked up my zot and it was Geoff McCoy
asking if i was happy with my board as it was the first one in that
size he had made . Yeah im happy but you can always go smaller!
What happened? And Who’s boards are you riding these days?
How you read into a personal viewpoint of the marketing hype Geoff has spewed out as “disdain for Geoff as a human” is bizarre. I have known geoff for forty years and just because I am not one of his disciples and swallows his views as a religion and the only way is not to deride him a a human…that is of course unless there is nothing more to him than what he represents through his videos and boards.
I have had many McCoys and still have a zap in my collection, but it owes its place to how i surfed a long time ago and admitedley would by ‘fun’ to get it wet again but I simply have too little time and waves are too precious to not choose to enjoy other craft that I know will provide much more fun and enjoyment. Bit likemy old skateboards, fun to look at but shit to ride.
Thanks for acknowledging my right to see it as a crock…much appreciated and I also respect your right to believewhat you will…except i seriously do not think you really believe Geoff when he goes on about water having a memory etc etc…see a doctor quick if you swallowed that or even had a little sniff of it. I will say no more on that.
Nothing constructive eh? Maybe not depending on how you seeit. I think my obsevations of the boards bogging in the video, the way Cheyne was surfing last week are a way of adding genuine opinion to a debate centred around design and performance…I hold that it was a positive point of view that no one so far has written any comments to challenge or discuss…just critisism for me, solo or anyone who dares to question the Guru’s ramblings.
Solo tried his hardest to bring some truth and sanity to this whole debate once before until it was shutdown because the blind disciples went feral on any suggestion that their might just be another story other than the one Geoff puts out. It is about not letting any shaper or commercially oriented person use this forum as a happy hunting ground to peddle their wares dressed up as doing us a favour. Geoff (or his clan) are trying to do just that…it sucks and should be challenged especially when some utter rubish that defies any sane persons way of thinking is put forward as a basis of their wares they are flogging.
I don't buy into the "pinnacle" and "grail" hype I hear about, in fact I find those kind of comments laughable. But all the hyperbole and inflammatory remarks notwithstanding, I respect his experience and find his comments about design to be of interest, nothing less nothing more. The fact that his "shaping is all aimed at the average recreational punter" makes it all the more interesting to me, since I'm well over the hill, and can't surf like Kelly or Mick, but still want to paddle out and get a few fun waves.
I have never ridden one of his boards, and probably never will, since I tend to ride boards I make myself. I just enjoy listening to shapers talk about their design theories, of which there are many.
I don't get too excited about his "water has memory and a mind" comment, since I've never discussed with him what he meant. Yeah, the argument could be made that it sounds bogus. I've also heard people say the sun rises every morning and sets every evening, and I can assure you from a scientific standpoint, that statement is also equally bogus - the sun does not rise, nor does it set. People use expressions with some latitude, and unless you know the background and intent of their words, there doesn't seem (to me) to be any point in getting worked up about it, or measuring their sanity by such statements. Like I say, that's just me - to each their own.
If I hated his boards, I would still look at them and wonder - what was this guy thinking when he made this? If I watched his videos, I would know. For that, I like them. I don't know anything about his sanity or his disciples, and don't really care to. Mainly I come here because I like discussing the very subjective subject of surfboard design.
Instead of putting scorn on Rocklobster for being a dissenting voice against the McCoy hype machine, ask yourself why so many people that buy one... sell it not long after.
It might also be time that a grudging apology for supplying equipment that wasn't up to the job for Cheyne in 'the day' was also given.
It would certainly be more plausable than the urban myth that is perpetuated even on Geoff's website that ' The power's that be' fixed it so they could take down the McCoy super power of surfing (that was presumably about to name names ? )
Thank you for having the guts to speak out…that is all that is lacking here, people who are not afraid of the clan behind Geoff…the disciples of Zap etc to bring a logical and measured debate and not get hoodwinked into swallowin stuff because we are led to believe it emulates from someone who has a following or has been around for half a century peddling his wares.
Some one please tell me why Geoff himself does not post here…this begs the biggest question?
One thing is certain…he knows the old rule that ‘any publicity is good publicity’…and so he sits today in Byron secretly reading these posts (hi Geoff…wondering who i am, think back to your first marriage??) rubbing his hands and frothing at the publicity this all generates for him…he knows his shapes and designs have a place, and it is in history. His contemporaries have moved on and gained fame and credibility he can only dream of. The surfers who made him famous have long moved on (except Cheyne) and surf boards today that have zero similarities with what Geoff peddles and flogs, except that they float and paddle well.
This is not about beating on geoff…it is about stopping him beating on sways and what it srands for.
No Huckleberry, the logic for success that can be derived from that quote would be the number of "older, larger surfers, beginners, average recreational surfers wanting to catch more waves and accomplished surfers looking for something new" that acheived that goal, not the selective subset that you arbitrarily selected from the quote. LOL
If it's all so easy why do so many shapers fail miserably at figuring it out?
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Now that is an incisive observation. A great many ''shapers'' simply copy what is popular at the moment, and never apply any critical evaluation of the design, and therefore do not gain an understanding. They end up parroting the promotional hype that is offered by whoever is offering the ''new hot thing.'' I watched the full presentation. Quite a few of his principles, and theories, were what I was exposed to, by the late 50's Windansea crew of shapers and designers. He has his own way of expressing his principles, which are, by and large, correct. Not 100% mind you, but close enough to produce an excellent performing surfboard. I think I'd enjoy a chat with the gentleman!
Rocklobster, leaving aside your obvious disdain for Geoff as a human and his theories as a shaper, how many McCoy boards have you ridden, and which models? Before you take me to task, you're well entitled to think the whole thing is a crock, but other than saying it's all just utter shit in your opinion, you haven't added anything constructive that anyone could use to advance their surfing or board selection.
If it’s all so easy why do so many shapers fail miserably at figuring it out?
Seriously! Here we are into several decades of surfboard evolution with the last few decades becoming ever more serious and surfboard shapers still spend so much time arguing about the most basic of hydronamic principles on forums and the poor non-shapers read it all and try to figure out who’s got it the most right.
Furthermore why do so many of us ageing surfers of non-pro ability keep wasting our money with shapers who’s claims to be able to shape such boards fall well short of the mark?
The surfing footage in the Rocker video could be Shane Herring.
Interesting how the dome bottom has evolved, on my 1995 McCoy which has a pointed nose, the bottom has 3mm of convex the whole way along the bottom of the board, whereas in the Rocker video there is more convex in the nose and tail.
Does anyone know how much ?
One question I would like to know is, does the apex of the rocker/dome correspond to where the wide point is ?