Hand Shapers Unite!!!!

You’re doing a great job!

Like most people here by the way :wink:

I’m not a PU/PE shaper, but PS/EP works fine too ;).

I do not believe that there are so many shapers really needed, just a few really good ones and some machines can do the trick and everybody can surf.

But for me and a lot of others with me, surfing is more than just taking a board and paddle out. I like to understand what I’m riding, I like to shape my own boards. Is there a need for my boards? No. Do I enjoy it? Yes.

Edit: Or am I still not getting your point?

Where are you from?

hans sorry if i was abrupt was trying to promote some skills that are fast dissapering good templates hand shape it NO BLOODY MACHINE

THE SOONER THIS DISCUSION BEGINS THE MORE WE CAN LEARN FROM THE PAST

PS ICAN TAKE A WELL DRAWN 3 D FROM COMPUTER TO LOFT FLOOR SPRING BATTEN ANDFIND AFLAT SPOT MY EYE HAND NICE BATTEN WILL FAIR IT ALL OUT

ON THE ISLAND AUSTRAILA

Huie,

You’re shouting at everyone mate.

Little letters please.

This is a great thread and if anyone wants to know about shapping feel free to ask me. I mean that’s why I’m named sirwanksalot.

ALL SHAPPING ASIDE.

BEST THREAD EVER.

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maate where alll eers.

huie,

So what exactly is this thread about? I appolgize for my flippant post earlier, but I;m confused. What is this forum about? We’d probably get a different response from each participant. Surfing and how, what,the way it’s done is diverse and there is diverse users on this site. If you are looking for various opinions then you are in the right place. If you are looking for a consensus then you probably are in the wrong place. If you are looking for debate I’m sure you’ll find that, too. Personally, I look on Sways for fun. I prefer hand shaped boards. My own. MIke

i would love to actually see how one can shape a a surfboard just with their hands and no other tools…

either they’re making it them of silly putty or clay or they’ve got a major case of dermititis, kind of like the after effects to your hands from pouring and smoothing out a cement foundation.

If it can be done with out any form of tool other than just your hands I’d really like to see that…

if not then what’s difference does it make between one tool and another as they are all tools right?

BTW

I strongly advise anyone who can shape a board with their bare hands donot attempt any form of hand shapping unless they can also use that other tool for boring out fin system and leash plug holes…

But I’m sure a person who can truly hand shape PU or EPS foam can do both…

Now if you can do the same with solid balsa, redwood or agave you deserve to be inducted into the hall of fame with AM.

Translation…

How many surfboard handshappers will actually create their art without a major source of electricity for their special lighting, electric planers, sanders. hotwire and close tolerant blanks. Give them a big block of foam tell them to build their own blanks and build a board in their backyard with a handsaw, sureform, sanding block and some drywall screen and see how long 80% of todays hand shappers stay committed to their “art”. Want to call them handshaped? Then don’t use the power tools…

Shaping is just being able to understand and visualize the end product out of your raw materials and knowing how to get there but not how you get there. No one said you needed a Skill100 just like you don’t need the APS3000.

Sounds like a Hawaiian challenge to the Down Unders!

Of corse wee meinlander Americans can use the ladder tool for all these shapping , "hole-broing porpoises. "

And for propulsion too… hunting, fighting, everything really.

Huie

I am new at shaping surfboards and this thread can be something wonderfull if we make it that.

I have steped away from my friends Machine to shape my boards by hand and am developing my board shaping skills and knowledge.

I have two boards under my belt now and have been shaping other various things by hand all my life with hand tools.

I take great pride in the aspect of being a craftsman.

I used to think that getting a machined blank and finishing it off made me a shaper but I was ignorant at that time of my development.

Once your stairing at an untouched blank with a planer in hand, only then, will reality hit you in the face. And after a few strokes of the planer will one realize theres some major effort involved.

Attached are my first two boards

next , 70’s retro gun (fingers crossed)

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maate where alll eers.

Now thats what I call comedy.

Classic.

rooster i have started all wrong sorry my intent was for in put from others as well as me the thread is about eye hand co ordination

help draw up smother plan shapes’‘no flat spots’’ the little half model is to scale one and a half inches eq one foot ihave built 3 boats from this model

and all measurements were taken from it and lofted full size 30’ on workshop floor this practice can be done quit easly whith surfboards it was the only way

in the past if this thread takes a sensible direction i will get things together and show how given that i am a computer dumy be patient

                        oneula  regardless of pu/  ps  you still need a plan shape  and its proper not to steal others 

                         show us some of your ideas  on plan shape

kensurf good work pm me anytime

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maate where alll eers.

Now thats what I call comedy.

Classic.

Man. Nothing for “hole-broing porpoises?”

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maate where alll eers.

Now thats what I call comedy.

Classic.

Man. Nothing for “hole-broing porpoises?”

Sorry Janklow , Replied before I saw the “hole broing Porpoises”.

excellent work , almost peed my pants when I saw that gem.

Huie

Please enlighen me …PM me anytime,

what does that mean?

sorry

I guess the answer again is it dependz.

getting accurate measurements and marks are one thing

as well as having a very accurate measuring device

like starting with an accurate center line off a chalk line to start with to measure against in the first place(Jim Phillips)

second is having an eye to see skew where ever it lies…(again Jim Phillips)

most people can’t see this compared to someone who’s spend the time

a fine measuring device , sharp pencil, flexible baton which an accurate edge

and a good eye is the shaper’ tools of choice.

but then we get back to it dependz again

the flexible baton works great for a continuous curved outline

but with an outline with varying parallel lines and curves a baton might cause problems as it skews

I can foresee the eventual use of measuring and marking lazers somewhere down the road (like a CNC I guess)

that lazer painted grid patterned shaping room is an example

in litmus

greenough is trying to help curren design his board and tells him to see it in his mind then cut it out of folded in half butcher paper. Open it up look at the lines lay on it step on it and make adjustments as needed. In that case instead of scissors perhaps a seamstress pattern makers cutting wheel would be a better tool to trim out smoother line. But I guess the real lesson george was trying to get across to curren was to use his imagination to think out what he’s trying to accomplish and then transfer that to a shape where each component has some intrinsic why? value behind it. This is an extremely hard task if you don’t have a good grasp as to the derived influence of all the implied curves you’re stacking into three dimensional space with an idea or end goal.

I guess you could say its the understanding of the impacts of outline, rocker, pitch, foil and edge curves to create your desired effect that determines the final planshape path you’ll follow. The melding of those five design components along with fins and materials usually helps define the end result. How many people really undertood all that to perfection? Well thats a crapshoot in my opinion as alot of folk seem to think their through their ego that the got it all figured out when in fact its an endless learning cycle. I don’t claim to understand enough of any of those factors to anyone’s benefit.

there are indeed old scaling methods involving grids used to convert models into the castles and pyramids of kings. Pythagoras gave us the foundations for plotting out and scaling geometric shapes

I believe that like what einstein may have alluded to

its the imperfections of the universe that give it a humanity or purpose beyond just the physical laws.

I think all great artists and board makers a like translate this kind of thinking into the idea that it’s exactly those little imperfections within a hand created masterpiece that gives it what some call soul or spirit. Where as the concept of attempting to achieve perfection is really the creation of artificialness or that little David looking for mommy with his bear.

So are you talking about achieving the perfect planshape by utilizing perfect hand eye coordination or have you devised a method to plot a perfect planshape using some form of scaling process to remove the need for perfect hand eye coordination. I’m not sure like others here exactly what the purpose of the discussions was supposed to be.

My previous message was that tools are are tools and in a sense are all the same its just how you choose to use them that differs. The guys with the eyes know that the stuff coming out of machines is as screwed up as anything else and some time worse if the operator can’t see it or care.

I used to be a disciple of continuous curve in both the outline and rocker fom my Parmenter vector upbringing but in re-discovering fishes I’ve seen where straight lines and straight planes like reverse vee panels inplace of smooth concaves can work as well. I grew up on the heavily foiled parish/brewer style beak nosed single pins but now find that wide point back no-nose nuggets, zaps or thumb roundtails or geminis can work even better. I do favor heavily pulled in noses lately…

so again it dependz

something reliable and secure comes in handy at my age…

I think what Huie is trying to do here is have a thread about shaoing and craftmansip skills and hand tool usage.

We all know a true hand shaper can skillfully shape a board without power tools.

but… let me ramble…

The power planer and electric sander take away a lot of elbow grease and gets us to the end result quicker, but they are still connected to the man, who, with skill, removes the correct amont of material. This takes skill, hand eye coodination and practice. these two power tools have been accepted in the hand shapers tool quiver.

Enter the CNC shaping machine…

A wonderfull mass producing, simi exact replicating, almost automatic, board carving extravaganza. And ,yes its a tool…

But its a tool that pretty much needs very little (if any) human attention. the skills required from the human would be …

Clamp the rough blank in the fixtures, enter the shape information into the computer program, hit the go button, repete for the other side, trim excess, lightly sand then get someone else to glass it. Stand there and say look what I made… sort of

My point is that if you can use hand tools, your a shaper and a craftsman

If your using a CNC machine and cant revert to the use hand tools , your a computer programer / surfboard advocate

No disrespect to anyone but thats the way I see it

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ithought this forum was for persons whith those skills who whish to can pass some on p/u shappers potential p/u shapers stand up and be counted

Well said…

But get real…

Close tolerance, cookie cutter, pre-rockered, foam blanks, machined with power tools is simply too easy of a medium for “a craftsman” to claim to be skilled at…

I’m on Oneula’s side with this one…

Go raw resources or go to the end of the line, if you’re looking for substantiation of your genius…

With the possibility of being accused of “pushing my own barrow” I present this opinion:

For a true test of your "skills’ move beyond foam, if you can…

Scarry thought, being different…

Try anything…

Your skill as a designer and craftsman will be evident…

You can do better…

Then, we can talk about skills…

Like spelling…

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Fucking hilarious!