I can’t spell either. I get the Google toolbar to do that for me.
paul read last post it is about ariving at a nice plan shape iyhought you might have understood the half model but opps’’ it has gone over your head’’
your work is good but were did it come from boatbuilding’’ you ask of my skills aprentice boatbuilder at 16 1956 built surf skis frame up much the same
as your doing to day not parabolic stringer there chines many surfboats double diagonal ceader no epoxy them days shaped balsa pigs 1959
done all that stuff in sixtys still shaping in 80s 4 fins 6 channels sound familiar''
to day i do it for kids whose parents have little money free iwas not looking for fame just tryingto help your personal atack on me is unjustifed i have been working outside foam before you were born dont take that as personal its just fact
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oneula plan shapes if you want to put bumps in put them in iwas trained to use a batten to fair all lines was just trying to pass on some of that
my computer skills are not great and i have probally worded this threed allwrong my intention was to make a patern for a plan shape whith a few measuremnts
patern making is a skill for me to take the time to get it all together whith pics and then recieve criticism no thanks paul you make a ships wheel i will make a balsa anything you like under 8’ deal
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i have probally worded this threed allwrong
lol! this thread just gets better!
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paul read last post it is about ariving at a nice plan shape iyhought you might have understood the half model but opps’’ it has gone over your head’’
your work is good but were did it come from boatbuilding’’ you ask of my skills aprentice boatbuilder at 16 1956 built surf skis frame up much the same
as your doing to day not parabolic stringer there chines many surfboats double diagonal ceader no epoxy them days shaped balsa pigs 1959
done all that stuff in sixtys still shaping in 80s 4 fins 6 channels sound familiar’’
to day i do it for kids whose parents have little money free iwas not looking for fame just tryingto help your personal atack on me is unjustifed i have been working outside foam before you were born dont take that as personal its just fact
I stand clarified…
Why didn’t you just include your full bio when you started this topic, instead of spoon feeding us all you’ve done…???..
You got skills bro…!!!..And a good heart…
Move to the front of the line and accept accolades of your accomplishments…
Especially helping the kids…
Better keep working on that spelling and punctuation…
Seriously…
It’s one of our windows into who you are and how you think…
BTW: Nice boat wheel…
How about I don’t build the wheel and you send me your 8’ balsa, and I make a board for some kids…
Better yet let’s get together and we teach them how to build their own 8’ hollow…???..
Now we’re going in the right direction. I thought this might decay into one of those tired machine shaped versus hand shaped debates. Huie, thanks for posting. I loved to see some more. Boats and boards. Boards for kids. Let’s get that started. I’m giving two away and am always trying to get the kids to build their own. They’re not ‘hollows’ or balsa’s, though. Mike
huie, you keep doing what you’re doing. Like Paul said, we could use more like you. You could have told all at the outset, and I know we’d have spared you the fun, alternative spelling, punctuation, and all. Great stuff. Hope you’ll share some of your work with kids on here. By the way, some of the elder gentlemen can’t even figure out how to post pics, so your computer skills aren
t that bad.
What’s woith the random quote marks, tho? and give me a period every oncet in a while, will ya?
kidding
greg
All you need is time
Boardbumps
Ok Huie, introductions over.
WELCOME
Now teach us something, like how to select a fairing batten and use it correctly
Huie apologies for any misunderstanding…
the discussion confusingly seemed the same old product retailer disguised as artist ramble we hear here all the time.
I too prefer the word “give” versus “sell”
more aloha in that word
the ability to visualize and draw out smooth and perfect curves(without the bumps) without assistance of a baton or edge is truly a gift and usually only from many many years of experience.
But it comes back to the concept of having the “eye” to see these things which is also a gift
I’m all eyes here if there’s ways in achieving smooth compound curves without utilizing many points of measurement. I presume it’s kind of like achieving a sweeping brush stroke of a great artist. Again seeing the curves in your head is probably is the prerequisite in getting there.
I look forward further elaborations on technique…
Huie,
Been following this thread for a couple of days have some thoughts…
Hand shaping: If ever you needed proof that hand shaping was alive and well, all the proof you need can be found right here on Swaylock’s.
The volume and variation of what is being/has been posted of hand shaped boards is astounding to me.
Also, the sharing of information and techniques could fill volumes - wish I had access to it when I stripped that Da Cat in '68 and took a belt sander and sand paper to it…
Look at how many people with little or no experience post what, to some, seem like the silliest/stupidest questions and the many helpful, on the mark responses they get from seasoned veterans.
It’s obvious that many here take shaping seriously and are very willing to share.
You seem partial to PU/PE…as am I. But, there’s more than one way to skin a cat as, again, we see everyday here with some mind blowing results. Really inspirational stuff that, as a boat builder, I would think you would very much appreciate.
As for skinning that cat…Techniques of craftsmen can vary. Some come to them through apprenticeship, some by trial and error. Both can result in same or extremely similar results with the all critical result - performance - being as intended.
You obviously have developed some techniques that work well for you but, I hope you’re not implying that your’s is a “My way or the highway” way to shaping a surfboard.
Of course, if you have some techniques that you feel would be beneficial to all shapers please, share all you can as thoroughly as you can. Because, as I’ve learned here, you CAN teach an old dog new tricks.
Also, please check the archives for Paul Jensen and see if you can find, besides some great boards, some of his boat work and other projects - I think there’s a very well done camper/surf wagon there amongst other things - and I think you would appreciate his commitment to “craft” a bit more.
I just had to sound off here because your tone seems like you’re a bit pissed off and I don’t quite get why…
Pete
WOW,
I’ve been camping for a few days and I come back to this! HUIEEEEEE
As all you know, I have no arms or leggs,(horrible combine farming accident, 1974) so shapping is extremely difficult for me too. But through preservence and sheer intestinal fortitude I have taught myself to shape with a tool made exactly like Huieee’s
My tool is a bit smaller than the one pictured, it has to fit in my mouth comfortably so I don’t choak on the foam dust…But I am a true beleiver in the hand shapping. I’m glad to see old world hand shappers, just like me keeping the art alive.
Oh yeah in case your wondering how I went camping…well I was placed in a box and strapped to the side of a mule team to reach my final destination. Once I was there it was real easy, they just put me in my big wheel and pushed me around.
See Ya at Swaylocks 2007! Just look for the Big Wheel!! And Welcome Huie!
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Ok Huie, introductions over.
WELCOME
Now teach us something, like how to select a fairing batten and use it correctly
fairing Batton, yes yes I need to know about those!
I plan on picking up a stip of flat rectangle moulding to use but I hear tapered is better
???
let the knowledge flow forth
Ahhh…just couldn’t help myself. I saw some buttons that I couldn’t resist pushing…
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That’s a tugboat.
That’s a half model.
That’s a souvenir.
That’s a (state of the art “compsand”) wheel. It might even qualify as “gay.” I know I’d be gay (as in happy) if I had that wheel in my hands and 20 knots of wind abeam…
That’s a boat.
That’s a…bigger boat.
Just playing. Don’t take the comments too personally. It’s just an internet forum after all. I’m just messing with you. It’s good to have another boat builder on board. I did lofting for Dencho for a couple of years and some of the skills do translate to board building. However, what I like about board building is I can actually realize my ideas, whereas my boat dreams remain dreams. If I win the lottery I’ll come back and edit this post.
Don’t get too riled up…just share your work (looks good, by the way) and…ahem…use your spell checker!
hi huie
i agree with your post
good skills in any craft are hard to come by
as you know im in to the new epoxy sandwich thing
and i do feel superlight PU boards are crap
but i love the look of a hand shaped classic board with colour work and all
basically i love good craftsmanship
your boards look timeless.
whats design is that boat you built
ive got a copy of herreschoffs book and ruel parkers
i had a 30 foot yacht called tango built after the war by Jim Young
it was the first ever yacht with a spade rudder and is still reasonably competitive
sorry to see her go
welcome to sways
have you read Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance
its a great book and defines the concept of "quality " very well indeed
dont worry about the spelling/computer thing btw
im a good spella but my typing is shit
and i cant be stuffed spell checking every word
sorry about the shit fight your in
i think the guys are getting withdrawals on someone to hang shit on now that roys gone
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duh ‘’ i was talking of skills not ‘’ dills
I started laughing at this point. . .
I remember Jim Phillips saying, “Everyone has time to do it over but not enough time to do it right” and the famous, ‘measure twice, cut once’
Anycase welcome to the board, have fun, learn and teach. Its good to have someone w/ your creds and helping the kids . . .
youcan mate all you need is a backyard like this a heap of copper nails lots qld maple hard work
great stuff but i am not high tech wooden boats only high teck wooden surf boards underway’’ thanks to everyone for calming this thread down
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Enter the CNC shaping machine…
A wonderfull mass producing, simi exact replicating, almost automatic, board carving extravaganza. And ,yes its a tool…
But its a tool that pretty much needs very little (if any) human attention. the skills required from the human would be …
Clamp the rough blank in the fixtures, enter the shape information into the computer program, hit the go button, repete for the other side, trim excess, lightly sand then get someone else to glass it. Stand there and say look what I made… sort of
Wrong, wrong and wrong. Ever tried shaping a board without even seeing the thing? Also with CNC shaping there’s no stop starting and fixing things along the way. You can’t redraw an outline once the machine starts. Once it’s going that’s it. Get it wrong and your going to have an ugly board on your hands.
To me hand shaping is blending the curves once the donkey work is done. Blending the bottom contours into the rails, rails into the deck etc is what I consider hand shaping to be. And the rest is about eighty percent donkey work in my experience.
CNC just takes care of all the eighty percent leading up to it. If you know how to draw that is and drawing is an art form. Even in a surfboard shaping program.
I haven’t laughed this much in months…the neighbors are looking at my open window wundering whats going on. Great thread…reminds me of roy from NZ a few years ago with his wood boards. Almost had a protien spill!
