Why do you want to be the moral police and have something that has not gotten out of line locked?
out of line is out of line.
We don’t need a solosurfer bash thread, do we?
a discussion is fine, I think there is ample information in the archives on your point(s).
I attempt to make balanced arguments even if I press a bit hard at times for my point. Also…there is ample information in the archives on almost every point being made today. Thats how gabbing about surfing is.
Dave P. has been pushing his mantra on the surfing public for a long time as if he is some kind of big guru star of surfing and surfboard building.
The guy has done more than his share of pushing his opinions down the throats of the surfing public with the help of some of the magazines that print his stuff. Now someone calls him on some of his B.S. and some folks say it’s out of line and ask the mods to shut down a acceptable thread. I think asking for a thread to be shut is like tattling on someone frankly. If the mods see a need to shut it down they have the power to do so. Let them do their jobs at moderating as they see fit.
It’s not out of line. It’s what has kept sways going.
If you want to start a bash solo thread…knock yourself out. I can handle myself and I am a big boy. I have nothing against anyone here that may not agree with me or dislike what I have posted at times. Thats part of posting on a forum. I have nothing against D.P. he wants to go full blown into asian production…it’s a free country and folks have to pay the bills. However…he now looks more like a psuedo guru with some of those he was trying to influence. Some have posted here with that opinion and thats pefectly within the acceptable bounds of posting here IMO. Thats what was posted before the guy started being called a troll.
Kind of ironic and wierdly symmetrical that the calls by Stingray and Epac to lock this thread have bought the two themes of this thread and thrown them into sharp relief. Democracy also relies on freedom of speech which is moderated by the laws of slander and libel, neither of which are being encroached on here. So, let the people talk.
Also, if DP does go to China to protect himself from free speech which might determine histories judgement of him then it looks like Guandong province has some reasonable swell exposure to typhoons traveling south/north in the south china sea.
I don’t undestand the problem? When someone like Parmenter (from day one) is so full of $#!t and hotair that it is obvious that all the guy is trying to do is make buck$ off of your illerate and naive mentallity you complain or lable him as a hypocrite, I have to laugh. Dumb a$$es! The first time the guy wrote an article for “Surfer” I knew he was full of $#!t. And every longwinded thread that has been applied here on Swaylocks has merely confirmed the obvious. Lowel
Not to belabor a point. But from this thread, I feel some are not considering the effects DP had through being one of the first to make a personal crusade out of the growing interest in alternatives constructions to surfboards. His often unsubstantiated bashing of any aspects of overseas production was further championed by highly influential individuals within the industry. From editors of major magazines to shapers to surfers, Dave’s opinions and claims became “truths” that certainly swayed the overall public opinion over the last few years. While he might respond that his statements where often clearly an opinion, as a long-term vocal participant in the industry, he, I don’t doubt was and is well aware of how easily an opinion from someone such as himself can quickly become gospel. As someone who has overtime come to appreciate the array of Surftech’s and other alternative constructed surfboards that I have ridden, I would admit that I first approached riding these boards with a “guilty until proven innocent” mentality, mostly due to the effects DP and other had on me through the media.
For those brushing off DP’s about face in relation to surfboard technology as minor, reconsider. The power of a single voice, especially one as powerful as DP’s as related to the sport of surfing should not be underestimated.
If you want to start a bash solo thread…knock yourself out. I can handle myself and I am a big boy.
No, I don’t.
I wish now that the original poster had been clearer as his last post because the e-mail thing got to me.
I wonder though, how this situation really affects you (any poster here). Some people read those magazines and take the content very seriously. The publisher must have loved the controversy.
George Bush snorts coke, now he’s the leader of the free world.
By the way… Like Dave, hate Dave, whatever but did you guys notice how awesome this water shot is of Makaha??? This is a freaking PERFECT bombing Makaha!!! On a SUP to boot… AHWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! OK resume your bashing…
Some people read those magazines and take the content very seriously.
George Bush snorts coke, now he’s the leader of the free world.
Thanks Solo, DS
Some peeps read your words and take them seriously too.
whad up with your george bush hate spill “veteren” poster? What are you a veteren of???
epac used to crap in his diaper and sit in it and now he’s a “veteren” poster in the free world acting like a socialist. If you want to shut down a thread learn from me.
There. I feel much better.
The point we can all take away from this sad thread.
You think when you bash Surftech in written word you burn a bridge.
Randy French can make the best pop out boards with his tech.
It is sad those involved bringing “new tech” or more board options have to settle for inferior quality and building techniques or get hosed on the business end of things. No grudges are held at ST with any who have bashed ST tech. No matter how bad you feel inside about saying all those bad things we are here for you. The light is on and the bridge has stopped smoking .
Come to ST and receive quality every time. no wirefirings or weak rails.
It’s not too late for you of talent. Barnyard…uh I mean back yard shapers need not apply.
There are unforgivable sins against ST though. When it gets personal and RF gets called a B shaper the bridge has been nuked.
I think my new name will be Far EPAC???
PS. The center stringer on sup in the bottom turn photo says it all. Util the creators start riding the boardworks models the jury will be on recess.
RF rides his stuff
I hope I hae helped in closing this down. One more night to write.
Moderators: I don’t think you should shut down this thread. Otay has admitted thats his goal and by admitting such has admitted to being a troll. Trolls post to piss people off or hijack threads. This post is not about Surftech. Some of this stuff needs to be challenged. I think most people on the board feel everyone has a right to express their opinions…but to come on with the intent of shutting something down and then brag about it is B.S.?
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Some people read those magazines and take the content very seriously.
George Bush snorts coke, now he’s the leader of the free world.
Thanks Solo, DS
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Some peeps read your words and take them seriously too.
whad up with your george bush hate spill “veteren” poster? What are you a veteren of???
epac used to crap in his diaper and sit in it and now he’s a “veteren” poster in the free world acting like a socialist.
So anyone who doesn’t like Bush is a socialist? I didn’t see any Bush hate and I did serve in the military. All I saw was an accurate statment about Bush snorting coke as a comparison to something else. Not out of line. It was a fair comparison.
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If you want to shut down a thread learn from me.
There. I feel much better.
Troll like.
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The point we can all take away from this sad thread.
You think when you bash Surftech in written word you burn a bridge.
Randy French can make the best pop out boards with his tech.
It is sad those involved bringing “new tech” or more board options have to settle for inferior quality and building techniques or get hosed on the business end of things. No grudges are held at ST with any who have bashed ST tech. No matter how bad you feel inside about saying all those bad things we are here for you. The light is on and the bridge has stopped smoking .
The owners of Boardworks don't even surf at all and live in Louisiana. Most boardworks ride better than surftechs...regardless of some of the older models having issues with rails. Surftech is here for you? I forgot....Randy is one of the most important men in surfing and Surftech is the future of surfboards. How thoughtless of me. Also the bit about no grudges. With the exeption of a couple of the big dollar guys (yes money still talks) French holds a grudge against most of those shapers who tried boardworks instead of allowing him to control them and their production. I wonder if some will get their new contracts and get billed for advertising or take a smaller than orginally agreed royalty? Don't know if it will happen...but thats usually how the game is played with this type of thing. You don't believe me about Boardworks and grudges...go ask Randy if he will take some of the boardworks guys on and listen to his response. If you are Randy...pm me and I will remind you of what you told me about one in particular. I have nothing against Randy on a personal level. He certainly has a right to exist and produce his product and promote his business. Just as we have a right to comment on it. He has done a good job with consistent quality and hype.
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Come to ST and receive quality every time. no wirefirings or weak rails.
It’s not too late for you of talent. Barnyard…uh I mean back yard shapers need not apply.
Most shapers started in the backyard. Some that have Surftech models are still back yard shapers and extremely talented ones at that. Nice general statement and half ass insult to those who don't have a factory.
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There are unforgivable sins against ST though. When it gets personal and RF gets called a B shaper the bridge has been nuked.
Sorry....the truth hurts and it's not personal. It's the same as making the claim that surftech is the future of surfboards and R.F. is one of the most important men in surfing. Thats just as lofty a claim as my old saracasm.
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I think my new name will be Far EPAC???
PS. The center stringer on sup in the bottom turn photo says it all. Util the creators start riding the boardworks models the jury will be on recess.
RF rides his stuff
I hope I hae helped in closing this down. One more night to write.
I hope the mods don't buy your attempt at closing it down. Thats a banning offense on some forums and you admit it right out in the open.
Hucksters, shysters and hype merchants get forgotten pretty quickly .
Otay pretty obviously you work for ST. I got no beef with ST, I’ve ridden em at all sizes and have no problem with them at all. As I stated earlier, when lifelong surfer/shapers say to my face they support the ST business model and construction techniques that means more to me than any amount of bleating over the internet.
If Randy has you in his marketing dept than I would respectfully suggest he get you back of house making the coffees again because you are doing a great job of pissing off your target market.
Again, for the record this thread is about DP’s hypocrisy after many years of publicy lampooning offshore mass production. It is not about ST. There are plenty of threads going about ST. Steve
"So anyone who doesn’t like Bush is a socialist? I didn’t see any Bush hate and I did serve in the military. All I saw was an accurate statment about Bush snorting coke as a comparison to something else. Not out of line. It was a fair comparison. "
Wow you really missed the point but you do make a good point why women shouldn’t smoke and drink during pregnancy. Thanks for serving in the military too. Did you get out before the don’t ask, don’t tell President Clinton policy?
Did you notice how I properly put the title of “President” prior to Clinton?
So the fact of the quote “George Bush snorts coke, now he’s the leader of the free world” at the minimum this is disrespectful but I have seen other pics and statements of 2pac to understand it is meant to be hateful.
The DP picture speaks for itself. He is an expert surfer and he is an expert shaper. The board he hand shaped and is riding extremely well in surf 99.9999% of the whinners on this thread only dream about. I suggest he owes no one any explaination.
I have never read his surfing related articles but it seems that alot of hateful hearts on this thread don’t want DP t be successful. Jealously is a terrible thing.
Did his writings somehow change things for you prior to this deal? You all hated surftech before DP allegedly said it was alright to do so, correct?
Even skinhead racists can change their ways.
Just have an election for your new" I hate ST and asian popouts" leader.
I nominate ss to represent me!!!
President George Bush gave up cocaine and alcohol, now he’s the leader of the free world.(my cup is half full on this one)
PS How does one apply to be a moderator? Can I be one in Sep, 2007 for 6 mos??
Hucksters, shysters and hype merchants get forgotten pretty quickly .
Otay pretty obviously you work for ST. I got no beef with ST, I’ve ridden em at all sizes and have no problem with them at all. As I stated earlier, when lifelong surfer/shapers say to my face they support the ST business model and construction techniques that means more to me than any amount of bleating over the internet.
If Randy has you in his marketing dept than I would respectfully suggest he get you back of house making the coffees again because you are doing a great job of pissing off your target market.
Again, for the record this thread is about DP’s hypocrisy after many years of publicy lampooning offshore mass production. It is not about ST. There are plenty of threads going about ST. Steve
Shyster??? compliments will get younowhere with me.
Coffee??? We don’t drink it here. The epoxy resin is flowing like champange at Cobra.
ST target market is swaylocks??? What are you smoking???
This is the I hate ST site of the century. I am trying to convert the lost but not the confused. So I can be of no help to you today.
One question though…Where can I get a copy of DP’s “lampooning offshore mass production chronicles” so I can be as angry and pissed off as you? Seems like a much of a muchness to me.
PS. You are so wrong IT IS ALL ABOUT SURFTECH. From the quality product to the business model. The envy of the surfboard industry.
Wow you really missed the point but you do make a good point why women shouldn’t smoke and drink during pregnancy. Thanks for serving in the military too. Did you get out before the don’t ask, don’t tell President Clinton policy?
Did you notice how I properly put the title of “President” prior to Clinton?
Ok…Whatever you said. I don’t think I missed the point though…You claimed to be trying to tank the thread. I served during Reagan’s term. What does don’t ask don’t tell have to do with anything here. You feeling you missed out or something? Have your served? I can’t tell what your trying to say on this. This is the last I will say on politics on this as it has nothing to do with the thread. When they earn the right to be called President by their actions instead of attacking our civil liberties…I will call them president so and so. A president is supposed to be the represenative of the constitution and the people. When he fails in those areas he is not some king to be given respect just because he occupies the office. Respect is earned.
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So the fact of the quote “George Bush snorts coke, now he’s the leader of the free world” at the minimum this is disrespectful but I have seen other pics and statements of 2pac to understand it is meant to be hateful.
Of course it’s disrespectful…so what? It’s a free country. I have not read any of 2pac’s other post…so I can’t comment. He didn’t seem out of line to me since he was making a crass comparison.
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The DP picture speaks for itself. He is an expert surfer and he is an expert shaper. The board he hand shaped and is riding extremely well in surf 99.9999% of the whinners on this thread only dream about. I suggest he owes no one any explaination.
Read my post. I have said the same thing. He is a public figure in surfing. He has worked hard to gain that status. He has written some highly opinionated articles…just as myself and others that enjoy writing do from time to time. He is taking some heat from some who are likely not anti D.P. but were likely pro D.P. and are now confused at his change of heart. It’s hard on some that felt they had a kindred spirit and then see him turn 180 on his beliefs. People certainly have the right to change their minds and what they do or don’t do is their own business. People here that are critical of D.P. have the right to state their opinions just as he has done. There is nothing anymore hateful about these opinions than some of D.P.'s stuff. Ever read his article on hulls?
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I have never read his surfing related articles but it seems that alot of hateful hearts on this thread don’t want DP t be successful. Jealously is a terrible thing.
Again…I have not seen any hateful hearts. Only disappointment and anger at what some see as D.P. being a hypocrite. Right or wrong thats how some see it.
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Did his writings somehow change things for you prior to this deal? You all hated surftech before DP allegedly said it was alright to do so, correct?
Even skinhead racists can change their ways.
Just have an election for your new" I hate ST and asian popouts" leader.
I nominate ss to represent me!!!
I enjoyed many of his writings actually. Disagreed on some and liked others, but I enjoyed most of them. Correction: I don’t hate surftech. I don’t hate Randy French. I hate the way they run their business in some ways and the marketing they use. I don’t like the B.S. hype that surrounds them. I think they produce a consistent level of quality and provide a service in giving some big shops a board they can easily get their hands on and sell for more profit. They are good for beginners and those that like the way they ride, but they are not the future of surfboards as they claim…IMO. Just another alternative. I think that tech is good for boards under 7’. I don’t care for it on longer boards. D.P. has had zero effect on my opinion of Surftech. I gave them a chance and my opinions are based on first hand personal experience. Not some self promoted guru with some talent for Writing, surfing and boardbuilding. I personally have no issue with D.P. using boardworks. It was likely a business decision. Paying the bills is more important than what some folks think of your decisions. It may hurt some of his credibility with those that follow his writings though.
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President George Bush gave up cocaine and alcohol, now he’s the leader of the free world.(my cup is half full on this one)
The guys has a past. Again…so what. I am way more concerned with what he is doing in the present.
"When they earn the right to be called President by their actions instead of attacking our civil liberties…I will call them president so and so. A president is supposed to be the represenative of the constitution and the people. When he fails in those areas he is not some king to be given respect just because he occupies the office. Respect is earned. "
