Is this true? Email from Matt Biolos

I saw this in surfermang forum. I did a search and someone mentioned Matt Posts under Mayhemb3 handle or something like that … MaYbe he’ll post?

Anyone know if this is true?

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title is this: Email I came across. Straight from Biolos’ keyboard

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Email I came across. Straight from Biolos’ keyboard.

    #859411 - 11/17/05 10:43 AM     

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Unedited by me:

I have been looking at the internet gossip sites and following my

crucifiction with a bit of a sigh.

Who do these people think they are, After all the work I alone did to slow

down the rampant growth of ,and enforce the trade laws being trampled by,

the various surfboard importers here in this country?

I told everyone I could that if it went unchecked the entire landscape of

the surfboard buis was gonna change and if we all didnt get together and

do somthing we werent gonna be happy.

Only 3 manufactures in the whole country offered support or asked me what

they could do to help (the ones that did were all so small, I couldnt ask

them to do anything)

One guy, Pat from WRV helped tip me off on some clown imoporting “American”

brand surfboards into Norfolk Va.

Less than 5 Shops actually contacted me and said they supported it all the

way and asked if they could help…5 times that amount told me I was crazy

and should keep my mouth shut.

Who do these internet gossipers think they are to judge me and my buisness

after I have done so much to inspire, ignite, and drive the buisness we are

in.

These are for the most part men making uneducated accusations.

If people are gonna point fingers( as I tend to do) at least go do your

friggen research!

A short list of some of the positives Me and My cmpany have given to the

surfboard industry in the last few years follows…

EX:

  1. The …Lost Round Nose Fish.

Its the mid 90’s, No One was riding twinfins outside of a few underground

type guys, NONE available in retail…we put the hottest groms in the world

at the time on a bunch, made a movie about it, and 6 monthes later every

shaper in the country was gettin orders for Twin fins. Many shapers (like

Xanadu) thanked us for sparking a spike in board sales and making it

manditory to have a quiver for even non traveling small wave surfers. To

this day, we are yet to see better surfing on a twin fin than in that

movie. "The whole Kane garden keel fish fad we have now is a direct

derivative from the …Lost rnf movie and the constant retail sales of the

rnf in surfshops for nearly 10 years"

Joel Tudor told me that at Velzys funeral.

  1. The “thanx4-3” Simon anderson project.

With total repect to history and what he did for the industry, …Lost , as

you know gave him $1.00 for every thruster we sold 3 years back…It was a

total of more than $5,000.

In the press release, Derek hynde wrote " I (Derek) once sent Simon a buck

for every thruster I ever owned". He chalenged all manufacturers to do the

same as …Lost and send a buck per board and we hoped private surfers

would do as Derek and send 1.00 for each they owned as well.

NONE…NO Manufacterers, NO persoanl private surfers…NO ONE steped up

and sent a dollar (to the best of my knowlage)…Where were all the

swaylocks, Surfermag design forum and other internet Western Lynch mobs

then… When they all had a very good chance to step up and do somthing

special??? Easier to sit and stare at the monitor and jump on the whiping

post bandwagon.

A bunch of Modern day Salems Lot witch hunters!!!

  1. MR…In the last year, we made over 500 MR retros and super twins. All

with a steep and margin shrinking (for me) royalty paid to Mark. This gave

a FULL time shaping job to a great shaper here in SC, a nearly full time

job to an airbrusher, 500 sets of domestically made glass fins (unlike all

the rtm molded import fins on most of the Witch hunters boards I am sure),

higher priced consistent glassjobs to a glasshop here, not to mention about

$15,000 worth of royalties into the pocket of the second greatest contest

surfer and GREATEST SURFER/SHAPER of ALL TIME.

We spent a ton of un recoupable money on air flights and hotels etc to have

Mark here and we are doing it again for the Janurary '06 tradeshows as

well.

But I am the bad guy.

What about other less known things we do to make the board thing better and

try to build better boards in a more and more difficult enviornment…

  1. XTR…We have made more XTR Waterproof foam epoxy hand shaped boards

than anyone in the country the last couple years. We spend and extra $90.00

per board to make them but sell them at no extra markup (just adding the

90.00, and making margins next to nothing). This is the strongest lightest

best perfroming commercially available option for hand made epoxy custom

boards.

We at …>Lost are at the forfront of this buisness and its continued

development.

  1. I have worked extensivly with Hank Johns of Graphite masters (he supplys

the Glass distributors and delivery trucks with most of the cloth and

materials used in the worlds board market) trying new and diffent materials

on both Clark and XTR and Beaded styro blanks. More work on this than

anyone in California. The end result was trying to make Clark foams cost

efective and easily obtainable foam and mesh it with epoxy resins and newer

glasses in order to make better boards…Lots of time spent , lots of money

spent and some pretty rad boards came out of it.

To no avail though, because They cost more to make than tufflites and still

arent as strong and shops would prefer the tufflites.

  1. We were the first to introduce the “Blue stuff” into resin here in the

USA. This is the agent we add to the resin to make the boards a “cool”

white instead of w warm white, It gives the effect of whiter boards and

clearer resins …This soon changed the “whitness factor” overnight, for

all manufactures and surfshops across the country now had whiter boards on

the racks, that stayed white longer (thus increasing time to sell it while

it still looked good on the surfshop floor) Rev Chem and the other resin

distributors sourced my connection and now the entire industry has access.

  1. Same goes for Soar glasson and FCS replacement fins…we imported

directly from Oz, because they are the best…Now readily available to the

whole market. No one knew they existed till we brought them here.

  1. While we are at it…How bout those Posca pens???

Started bringing them in my duffle bag from Japan in 1991.

(Timmy Patterson had them a year earlier actually) But we all know who got

them into the market and helped give the DIY paint jobs to every one who

wanted to make boards in the USA.

Now, They are available in every coastal art store int the country.

And these guys Judge me because I have studied more about, have

specifically traveled and worked on boards world wide more, and make more

boards, visisted more shops than nearly everyone else in this buis, And

because of this I have made a very educated desicion and realized that its

either Join them (Surfteck) or beat them.

Because I will not stand by idely while the unfortunate offshore surfboard

revolution happens around me while I begrudgedly and foolishly keep typing

on a typwriter as everyone else moves on to computors.

Not sure if this is common Knowlage yet, but…

  1. T Patterson just signed a contract with Surfteck (he is one of my IDOLS,

his dad and uncle practically INVENTED the way we make production

surfboards).

Timmy will have about 8 modles in Tuflite at the Jan shows.

  1. RUSTY will have about 12…yes 12 Tufflite surftech Rustys available

this spring.

  1. Webber…Perhaps the greatest and most misunderstood shaper I have ever

met…The one who inspired Al Merrick to try deep concaves and hyper

rocker, not only has his Tufflites, but was at ASR and Surf expo in

September this year with Asian Made Polyester hand shapes… He was

standing in the GSI (Best known for their “Seven” and “Blue” brand

Polyester cheapo boards) Booth all three days of each show.

All Webber, LSD, and other top Aussy shapers Polyester handshaped

handglassed boards will be imported into the USA and Europe next year from

Thailand…Nothing you or I can do about it (allthough you and I Tim are

probalbly the 2 in our own right who tried to stop it from Happening).

  1. Heres the icing on the cake.

AL Merrick is now making Most if not ALL of his High end Polyester

surfboard production in Asia .YES…The Single fin Machado, the Keel fish

and others are now being made in Thialnd. No more St Peirre, San Diego

resin tints, No more California made acid splash gloss and polish

glassjobs. All going to the Orient…This isnt the hackm it out, all

clear sand only fcs Flyers. This is the cream of the crop artistic highend

beutyfull ones here we are talking about.

NOW, once again, I tell you, Like I did when Channel Islands decided to do

Tufflites… This sets a precidence, Because when the top dog (the god of

shaping and board making) All Merrick tells everyone that now its OK to

make your high end Cadillac Polyester boards of your line in Asia, Well ,

who are you and I to tell them its not?

This now sets another newer and far more damaging precidence than when he

did tufflites.

What are we to do?

Understand, that as preceidence, NO ONE has put forth more of an

concentrated, unassisted effort into the slowingdown of the imported

surfboard Pariah.

Hundreds of hours, close to 30,000 dollars, mutliple air and rode trips to

Customs depts around the country, a couple thousand in longdistance bills

and basically setting my self up as a bit of a martyr in order to get the

word out that this will eventually spell the demise of the domestic

manufacturing industry.

Exept for a few hardcore shops making a stand (like you), and a few slaps

on the back from industry “bros”. The thing, for the most part, fell on

deaf ears.

I am soley (with the help of my lawyer and some financal backing)

responsible for the law that made the tracking of boards by volume and $

manditory in the US. The numbers dont lie. The volume has increased nearly

10 fold in 04 to 05. While the number surf shops in the US have DECREASED

from 04 to 05.

I once said on line and in print in late 03 that the there is…quote " NO

excuse for Al Merrick to make Tufflites, UNLESS the market and customer

demands or prefers this product"

"Once he does it the precidence is now set that is is accepted and ok to do

, and the time will come that this is the norm."

Unfortunatley, he did and it has.

Randy French is in this months FORTUNE magazine…They did 70,000

Surftecks this year alone. Tim, this is more than CI, LOST, RUSTY, WRV,

HIC, T Patterson, JS, DHD , all of the Florida top shortboard brands,

Stewart, Hobie and more put together.

The writing is on the wall. The public wants it, the shops want it (I have

been told I am a fool for not doing …Lost surftecks by way more accounts

that told not to do it…)

So now, I will tell you “why I am involved in starting Placebo”

Late last year Cory Lopez’ came to me and asked about being compensated for

riding our boards exclusivly. All other surfers at his level and status in

the world are payed well by the board brand they surf for.

Cory had ridden "mayhems " nearly absolutly exclusivly for the last 3 years

w/o one dollar of compensttion from My company.

A huge show of loyalty and passion for our relationship.

Before that Cory had ridden for …Lost surfboards for about 5 years and

was compensated by us for it.

He signed a very lucrative deal with Oniell International in Jan '02 that

included the removal of the “…Lost” logo from his boards. So from then

on, only "mayhem " appeared on his boards.

No one in my shaping career has stood beside me as unfaltreringly through

it all as Cory Lopez. Year in/year out, hes out there getting big results

and big publicity on the boards and all most never, if ever, orders a board

from another shaper.

This is completly unfheard of today in the world of pro surfing…even if

you do pay the guy!!!

So, Cory said he had been getting offers from Board companies to pay him

alot of money to jump to another brand. He explainerd that as an athlete he

has a short career and needs to make it count.

It became open that the two companies going after him and offering up the

big bucks were SURFTECH and BOARDWORKS…they each offered alot of money

and alot of royalties to do Coy Lopez models.

You see, a normall domestic board builder cant afford to pay the type of

money these brands were offering because our margins are so small.

Some board builders can offset costs of team by selling tees and hats to

help bring in more money.

I cannot do that because my brand is licensed out allready and I dont

reserve the right to make “surfboard” tees.

Anyway, we quickly realized that “Mayhem” not even being the brand of

boards we actually market and sell can never afford to compete with the

money being thrown at Cory without going overseas to manufacture.

I couldnt do that, Mayhem and …Lost stand for somthing more than that. As

a brand, we owe it to our customers and followers to keep the Brand the

last of its kind to not go overseas with production.

At the same time, We owed Cory the respect and the loyalty he afforded us

over the course of our relationship.

So he says “Lets start another brand and do Cory Lopez models”

Fast forward to Freddy James of Buxton North Carolina, Son of Ted James and

heir to the family buisness/surfshop of “Fox Watersports” in Buxton .

Ted and Freddy and his brother Ted (Not larry darryl and darryl) had been

involved in the early and ongoing development of molded surf and sail

boards for 20 years or more.

They were there when Surtechs were still molded in the USA.

He was buddys with Mike Reola (Co Founder of …lost with me) and had just

come to the table with a “Tufflite” type of building technology that he

claimed was “Better than surftech”

It flexes more, feels more natural under your feet and has a simpler

manufacturing process that allows less seams and less margin for error in

the layups.

Freddy was on board, Cory was on board.

I, after seeing all the he growth at a retail level and in the water of

Surtecks in the last couple years knew that one way or the other it was

coming… good or bad , and we moved forward with a plan.

We would think of a way to do a new brand with new designs, new image, new

art , shapes, and manufacturing .

Cory would get his board models, and his compenstion and Freddy had an

opportunity to start a buisness with a world class surfer and the expertise

of people like MIke and I behind him as well.

The name “Placebo” is a joke…Get it?

It means an artificial or fake surfboard, the icon is a pill that does

nothing, Like a Placebo drug.

It just happens to be a statement on the world today in general…not just

surfboards.

The shaper is a robot!!! He has little wheels and a smoke stack out his

head emmitting little death skull icons as he chokes boards out of his

mechanic belly!!!

It is so sarcastic and tounge in cheek…we are making fun of ourselves

while we do it, But its all very catchy.

Every board has a PERMANENT Country of origion logo screened onto

it…Placebo is the first and only imported brand to do so.

Placebos will be hand painted by the artist here in the USA giving the

boards a more personall touch than any other molded or imported board, thus

customizing the boards in a superficial way.

I am not the face of Placebo any more than Paul Naude (president of

Billabong and over see’er of the brands under the Billabong umbrella like

Von Zipper, Element and Honolua) is the face of Element.

Freddy James is the President, VP of Marketing, Vp of sales and production

and even board boxing and shiping if need be.

Pinky Taylor (an artist from South africa has come up with all the imagery

and is totally seperate from…LOST, in look and message and feel.

There is no overlapping.

Rick Hazard will be calling no one about Placebo, I dont think that any of

the …Lost sales reps will be selling them either (Allthoug Freddy might

lean on them for help).

Freddy and Cory and Pinky will be at the tradeshows in a Placebo booth,

doing their thing.

I will be where I belong, In the Friggen /…Lost booth drinking …Lost

and Vodkas talking with my customers, checking out all the girls and

showing off the latest from …Lost…and having a good time like we

have for the last 12 years.

This is all the explaination I am prepared to give.

I hope it works for you Tim, I value your buisness and your input and your

steadfast unfliching honesty.

Sincerely

Matt Biolos

After reading some of Matt’s posts in the past, I’d say that is him. Or a very good imposter with the very same writing style!

I have one question: Did the …lost twin fins pre-date Al Merrick’s twinfinner? I saw a blurb about the twinfinner in Surfer when I was living in Japan in the early to mid 90s and had a friend buy one off the floor in the Santa Barbara shop. This board developed a huge cult following and in my opinion has much more of a connection with the current Fish buying crowd than the Lost boards (the guys who buy Fish now are not getting inspiration from …Lost type shortboard radical surfers. So I think his claim on being solely responsible for the twin fin resurgence is a big exagerration.

It seems the point of his whole message is that he tried to fight the Asian thing, and no one helped him, so he shouldn’t be criticized for joining the outsourcing thing with his own line. This seems like faulty logic to me. The other shapers may not have joined him in fighting the Asian thing, but they continued to make their boards here. Just because Matt fought it for so long doesn’t mean he can excuse selling out in the end. Those that haven’t sold out are not going to cut him a break for his past stance. In fact, it makes him look even more hipocritical.

Also, despite his claim that all CI boards are now shaped in Asia, it sure seems like plenty of CI boards are going through Moonlight still. J.P. St. Pierre posts photos now and then on the Surfer Mag design forum. (saw a pic of a stack of Black Beauties just today in fact).

I know for a fact that came from Matt. Also, Matt just took over san clemente surf co. and renamed it catalyst. The glassing area is still in the back, and from what i can tell it’s business as usual back there.

The LOST video had a huge impact. There is no way to play that down. The kids who were mainly influenced are now in their mid 20’s, but there for a while they all wanted fish. Now many still do have them in their quivers.

He deserves credit for that.

There is a long American tradition that goes like this,

“If you can’t beat them join them.”

We take our vanquished enemies into our hearts.

For example check out this quote: President Theodore Roosevelt described General Robert E. Lee as “the very greatest of all the great captains that the English-speaking peoples have brought forth.” We Americans have a great capacity to forgive and accept even our bloodiest enemies. I don’t mean to compare Matt to Lee, I just wanted to point out that it’s okay to change direction in business and that it’s not safe grounds for criticism. In fact it’s time better spent figuring out Black Hawk could become a folk hero after losing the Black Hawk wars. That was an amazing image transformation.

Matt made a good case and fought the good fight. He won the battle, but lost the war. It is not correct to compress the time line to appear as though others kept their lines here while he is going overseas. In fact Matt states the timeline very carefuly and correctly. If there is any question read it again. He is complete concise and easy to read. Very interesting, too. We should be studying Matt not criticizing him for every little thing. That is just knee jerk, but that too is the American way, so it’s something Matt will have to come to terms with on his own. Sure I don’t agree with everything he says or does, but I would rather take this up with him personally or not at all. But in all honesty I learn from him.

His ads are inspired and imaginative and that Gorkin Flip poster is art. He and Mike together are marketing geniuses.

Read his letter again. It’s text book how to move on and move ahead and not be bitter. Even when he’s being squeezed for big bucks by a loyal friend who, too, is under pressure from big bucks. Never loses sight of the respect. Refreshing to see. Swaylockians can learn from him. I am paying attention. I hope others are too. This could be a better place if we do.

Howzit Jim, Didn’t the San Clemente shop belong to a guy I think was named Nudo, He always gave me glass scraps and materials when I was in town so I could do repairs for friends of mine and his. I guess that’s over now.Aloha,Kokua

Hey Kokua. Yes, Matt took it over from Jimmy Nudo. He’s been there since way back. Matt fixed it up a bit but kept the glass shop more or less the same. He put a little window in the back wall so while you browse wetsuits you can watch the boys in the back lammin’ up and tacking on fins! Kinda cool. I think one attractive feature was that since he would own it, it would mean he could stock all different types of boards instead of just the status quo thruster squashtail. His mind is going so many different ways right now, and he’s into all these different things. Fins, materials, different construction methods…etc. Saw a bunch of salomons in there already.

Spindler said it right, not argueing for or against him, but if you know him you know he’s anything but a sell-out. San clemente is a bustling surfboard manufacturing hub, and Matt’s as involved as anyone. Don’t see that changing. You put a product out there, and if it’s good…then people start wanting it. Then there’s this demand thing that rears it’s ugly head (right about now the partners come in) and you start figuring out how to supply it. Decisions get made and usually not by one person. In many cases making what you feel is a good decision in your heart may not be the best decision business wise and vice versa. He did what he needed to do, and he’s getting lynched for it. I doubt you’d see him claiming his contributions otherwise. If the consumer didn’t want it, we wouldn’t make it. We have to fill this demand in order to remain competitive.

Yea why anyone would want to bust his b*lls is beyond me.

He took a stand for what he thought was the right thing to do and did something.

More than anyone else did so what’s the deal?

Bottomline

Basically the world of business sucks

whether you can accept it or not

the rich keep getting richer and the rest of us…

well who really cares?

obviously we don’t or it wouldn’t be happening

law of the jungle over and over again.

there’s only a few drivers the rest are along for the ride…

The more you know the more you wish you didn’t…

Really enjoyed Matt's letter...excellent, I applaud him.I disagree with his twinfin comment though. Rich pavel was making fish and quadfish  nonstop since late seventies.Even today few make as fine a fish. I use to joke with him way back then,  that his fish are catching on......ask him.This was many yrs before the Lost video.

Great read, pretty insightful for those of us who are on the fringes of the ‘industry’ board-making world and more impacted by macro trends than involved in making industry-changing decisions.

The facility with which some use the internet forums to criticize is an issue which comes up from time to time, with little or no consequences for those who rant and rave, and sometimes major impact on shapers/shops, especially smaller-production establishments. I once had an ongoing on-line debate about the use of personalized pre-shapes for certain boards,standing by my position that there is a certain place for it, and loosing some local credibility in the process. A few months later I was introduced to the guy on the beach, and he’s standing there with a Bic 7’9" in his hands… stammering something pathetic about it being a “theoretical argument” more than a “real” one. I have the feeling that it’s not an original scenario.

I personally can’t criticize Matt’s decision to do imports, because I’m not in the same situation as he is. Even if I wanted to, I don’t have the financing to bring in a container of boards with my logo, and the marketing/resale aspect of moving those boards was never my calling. The world of business is generally ugly, and one usually has to make some concessions just to stay involved.

Another thought: I hear much more criticism about those who import boards than those who purchase the imorted products. A container full of imported boards could stay on the shop racks for two years unsold, and the owner would never repeat the purchase. Individual customers have the final say, and their arguments to support their behavior are usually lame at best. “Yeah but they’re cheaper and I don’t have a ton of money” or Yeah, but I wanted a Merrick" doesn’t hold when one then criticizes certain manufacturers for whom the same concerns about money and/or notoriety hold true.

In any case, on a happier note, I’ve got a garage full of vintage balsa to shape so I’m personally set for boards for the next sixty years or so. It’s nice to be back to being a gargage shaper.

excellent read…

so Merrick is the God of design and shaping…everyone over here seems to be riding one…everytime i see him on tv being interviewed he’s in the ‘shaping room’ wearing his dust mask around his neck…

Yet he is one of the biggest reasons why the domestic industry is dieing…what a con job! He’s gonna retire soon, take his money and run…if anyone should be getting dissed its Merrick

i always found the surfboard industry and market to be very strange…board rep is always tied into the craftsman who designed/made it…the shaper has always been the brand…“i dont ride a Channel Islands i ride a Merrick”…it seems like the Placebo is an attempt to break that status…marketed the way wakeboards, snowskiis etc are marketed…Brand X’s “Produde” model

times are a changing fast…looks like the big dogs are all scrambling for market share…like mentioned, business does suck…big business sucks even more

I have got to respond to this and hope that Matt reads it for what it’s worth.

We all have to have the ability to look at ourselves and try and see ourselves as others see us if we want to influence people to our way of thinking. I have admired alot of what Matt has said in articles, but had a really hard time taking him seriously because he has been little different than Rusty or Merrick when it comes to promoting and hyping lightly glassed, thin, and geared towards mostly kids surfboards. His Clothing company might as well be Volcom with a different name, it helps promote much of the same youth against establishment crap those guys do, which is nothing but a line for a a bunch of tees.

These guys sit in back offices and count their money and try and figure out the next big hyped up thing for the dazed and confused surf industry. They paint a picture that every young surfer is a dope smoking, drunk, slacker whose only ambition in life is to surf and they paint that as if it’s the cool way to be. I am not speaking against those folks who want to party, smoke dope and etc. but that image is a sold image and does not fit all of us that surf. Neither does so called surf fashion. There is no such thing is a way a surfer is supposed to look and there is no one board or lable surfers are supposed to ride.

As for his heroic battle to fend off the imports. It rings hollow with me, because frankly the imports are doing the exact same thing Lost, Merrick, and Rusty are doing by mass producing surfboards, with light glass jobs to be consumed by an uneducated and non experience new surfer market, fueled by magazine adds and pro tour whose only real influence is with kids.

The only real argument that Matt can make against the imports and the popouts is that they have simply done a better job or at least as good a job hyping their product as Lost, Merrick and Rusty have and they have done it where both them and the retailer can make more profit. There is no differnce in quality between many of the chinese imports and Lost, Rusty or Merrick and many of the other complaint are semantics than can be and I suspect will be fixed. So, how are we to know Matt has really been fighting this battle or if it was simply more magazine hype so he and his company could later jump on board and sell it that they were the last heroe hold outs. In the case of Lost, I would have had more respect had they been the first jumped on board. It would have been more consistent with their image. IMO>

There is another little dirty secret Matt forgets to mention and that is when it comes to distribution, these guys play their little games with the small core shops (they claim to love) that still care about their customers and they sell out too and protect the department store monstrocities with no soul, no morals and crappy service form kids that don’t surf or have much knowledge. They play the same protection game Quik, Volcom and all the rest of the clothing companies play and you know what, it’s crappy business. This is the only business I know of that lets some Rep. ruin a line because he wants to help his buddies at shop “A” or the shop with the largest showroom instead of simply trying to find the best shop for the product. In the end they end up everywhere anyway.

As for the give Simon a Dollar: Not until he agrees to send $1.00 to Mccoy for creating the planshape Simon put three fins on, and to Velzy’s estate for creating that same tail driven design modified by Mccoy and others to put Simon’s three fins on. To be honest, there are just too many shapers and craftsmen that have changed our sport and the boards we surf to give credit to one single individual. Simon sold the thrusters, because Simon had alot of help and because he himself could back it up, just like M.R. in the water.

On Bringing M.R. to the states: So what? Great! Take a legend and use him to jump on the retro bandwagon. I think this is good for the industry to see these boards, but it’s still advertisment to bring in dollars, not some selfless act on the part of Matt. I still say the so called Supa Twin is nothing but a modern thruster swallowtail with an M.R. logo on it if it’s to be ridden with three fins. Twin fins are Twin Fins. Thrusters are Thrusters.

As for T. Patterson doing Surftechs: How does the Queen song go: Another one bites the dust. What does he expect and since Matt himself is now jumping on the Bandwagon, why mention Patterson.

On Matt being responsible for bringing back twin fin looking short stubby boards: I think Tom Curren riding the Fireball really started the experimentation along with Joel Tudor killing it on retro boards in some of his earlier movies. 5’5’’ 19/4 was a cool movie showcasing a very one dimentional surfboard, but I am glad it helped bring back float. There are some shapers out there who never left that idea and in fact make way more functional boards than that lost in the movie, but get little credit for it.

On bringing Robert E Lee in as a comparison: Lee had high integrity and never faultered in his integrity until forced physically by utter defeat to do so. He was a president of a college after the war and tried in his last years to continue to produce something honorable and good out of young men and for his country. He was offered numerous opportunities to make gobs of money and was even considered for president at one time, but he would have none of it. Instead he tried to help bind the wounds of the nation and not live for personal gain.

Need I point out the huge difference between someone like that and Matt? Sorry Matt, nothing personal, but it is Robert E Lee after all.

On Lost and Mayhem doing popouts: Don’t make excuses or rationalizations now Matt, a popout by any other name is still a popout and a Chinese import by any other name is still…a chinese import.

I see nothing new in Matts response. He is still painting himself a mesiah looking out like a hero for the best of the industry. Regardless of how he and his company have used the very tactics to sell surfboards that the popouts, clothing companies and chinese board makers have. If he truly had the conviction he paints himself to have had this entire time, he simply wouldn’t do it. He is already making plenty of dough, why worry about making gobs more if you have such high standards?

Plecebo: In the words of Easy E, " You better check yo self."

Sorry, no time to check spelling or errors.

Yes tammy and jerrie its true.

I never rode a twin fin,never liked a thruster

maybe rode five total waves on em.

hate it when ever somebody insists on having em on a board i’m involved with makin’

simon sold the licenceing and didn’t get a lawyer

Hoyle schweitzer got the lawyer

tail chasing in the “industry” has been the game for some time.

the dogs are still chasing each other’s tails’

soon they will be chasing their own tails.

the grade is getting steeper

its up hill now

the Industrialists are pushing numbers

The Fortune guys are about to see them as food

the venture capitalists see this whole deal as chump change

but 70,000 can become 70,000,000

and 3.00 a board profit is enough to get these guys

to switch to a blonde tupee and a palapa

at the mall with mass produced coconut hats.

I said it once about turning surfboard into a comodity

common as mayonaise.

name a mayonaise.

there are three even if you dont eat em

we can all recite the brands in our sleep

we all know what they look like dried on a park picnic table.

all these mass produced renderings

will eventually litter the land scape.

the High rolling mucki muck industrialists will

be riding $20,000 hand mades in deepest neverland

dropping in on the ferrel surf kids.

the Pros are turning thirty soon

they invested their run.

these those industrialists are coloring their hair

god bless all their sacrifices.

when they move to your town watch em closely.

they are the ones that comodified the implement of our

life time facination,the surfboard,surfing

surfing ocean waves will out live us and them.

selling out?

all the porkers that told us not to sell out … did

are we to believe the line of krap again?

and again and again?

the were selling out differently story is true.

now they are stopping the buck.with their pockets

and redirecting the spending trends

the ASP revolution

iconified the snake that cleopatra comitted suicide with.

comodes are the final resting place of comodities.

the industrialists are gathering arround the toilet bowl

they are marking their territories for the trade shows in 2007

the 2006 show is a done deal.

surf tech is gonna be more than ever the business hub

all the clothes guys will want their endorsement sticker on a surf tech

just like The Bull sold to sports ways

the last guy to sell out wont be the winner

the guy that wins will be the sweetheart

that sweetalks all the real guys into contracts

and then sells them [at an undisclosed cash out with a salary] to

Archer Daniels Midland

}maybe thats happening now behind closed doors{

or some oher remote corperate entity like

Virgin Air/records/resorts/

or SONY

or litterally any of a million

corperate entities big enough to swallow it all in a gulp w/out an antacid

the game cycle hasnt played out yet

get a grand stand seat to watch.

all the former Citadels of soul will be carpeted with popouts

surfing them will be a remote thrill

dig the picture of giant pipeline last week

a carpet of soul surfers caught inside

the Banzai pipeline…???

good grief charlie brown

.

good bye rincon

you used to be the queen of the coast

when we turn the corner[en espanol el rincon]

(the patriarchal is intentional)

the past will be instantly obscured

the whole retro sales pitch

is a ruse.

the industry is morphing the past to better fit their plan

they are staking out claims on stuff they could never own.

we owe it all to someone that will never get paid.

surf with aloha

aloha from waipouli

…ambrose…

I aint lost.

I rode a mat yesterday

it was hand made by dale solomonson

Another great thread on Swaylocks eh!

Here’s one thought for you though… Speak about labels and pirate marketing and rip offs and the way that large manufacturers make shitty boards for an eternity… FORGET THEM. THESE GUYS WILL ALWAYS HAVE MONEY! BUT what about the Glassers, Sanders, Wet Rubbers, factory sweepers etc that signed into this game in the first place for their love of surfing and a way to feed the family while not having to go and get a regular 9 to 5 in a suit somewhere where people really know the meaning of scams and brutal business. Outside of this idyllic bubble there’s a world of real business just waiting to eat you for lunch.

What about the grommet that has grown up surfing and who’s heroes arent pro surfers but pro surfboard manufacturers. He hangs out at factories offering to fix dings or clean out shaping bays for free. He stops by after school every day to try and steal that job from that other lucky kid that get’s to cut out decals at the famous surfer/shapers factory. The grommet that wants to work with surfboards for a job because he knows that if he can make boards for a living for others that he’ll always have time and money to make them for himself. These oppurtunities are dwindling, just try and find a shaper under 40 in your local area!

What about the workers in the domestic industry?. Buying a board from Asia is not only a slap in the face and a big up yours to some major label, it’s taking money right out of the mouths of the families behind the guys that work in the dusty dungeons…

What I am saying is that this stuff has a major impact on everyone that works or has aspirations to work at whatever level in this manufacturing industry. Jobs are being lost daily as wholesale numbers decrease and Asian board numbers multiply infinitely. Myself I wish I had the energy to explain this to people everywhere that their cheap boards come at a cost, not to them but to the standard of living and ability to make a living of their own fellow countrymen.

I know it’s reality and this stuff happens to every industry but surfing is different isnt it? Isn;t that idealism and freedom that attracts people like us to this sport part of the fun?

I personally hate Asian Surfboards with a vengeance, to me they are destroying the lives of the families of regular working people that I have known for generations.

The big question though, after the industry is dead and all that remains domestically are the specialty houses. What happens when China finally decides to float their currency on the global market and the price of a surfboard goes through the roof again? Will their be any one left to reinstate this beautiful way of making a living???

Good one Gumby,

I had the same conversation with one of the masters of the industry not long ago. There are few master shapers left who learned to carve works of art from blobs of foam left who care or still shape enough to pass on their knowledge. Matt B with all his bluster simply does not fit that bill.

The true problem and the one that allowed the asian garbage in the industry in the first place are the shapers who sold out to allowing their products to be sold by surf shop owners whose primary purpose was to make money and who had no care what so ever about a shapers plight. In fact, in most cases the shop owners like having numerous back yard beginer shapers to keep pressure on the masters for lower prices. The shapers who at one time had the power, gave it willingly to the promoters. Some shop owners care, but the modern surf shop owner for the most part loves kissing up to the guys at the Volcom booth or Quiksilver booth and pretend to be important themselves because they kept the newcomer from getting Surftech or Billibong. Even Hurley and Rusty who should know better play the game.

Now the shapers many of them are selling out again to popout mania for the free advertising, ego trip and hopes for retirement in an industry that simply does not care about it’s own.

Surfers as a rule are the most self centered, imature and ego driven bunch you may care to find (exeptions excluded) they have sold out to hollywood, department stores, souless giant so called surf shops etc. Because things are subjective in the sport of surfing, it’s one of the few places a kuk if he hangs around long enough and brags long enough can actually convince other surfers he is somebody important. It’s a suckers industry mostly.

The exeptions to the rules are the gems. What makes all of it worthwhile are the waves and that personal relationship those of us who stick with it and love it experience. I love the variety of surfboards and histories of this sport, but I have been in it enough to see it for what it truly is at it’s best as well as it’s worst.

The industry is just as you say, built by a bunch of guys who don’t want a real job, so your going to get loads of deperate characters within it.

As for those workers within the industry whose jobs are at risk and at risk they are; they had better start trying to make kuks out of those who ride and make chi com boards. The cool factor still exist in this industry and has turned a many a fad on it’s ear. Unfortunately, alot of the power brokers in the industry are the biggest kuks of all and birds of a feather.

At least Randy French is trying to include some of the shapers in his profits and at least he shaped surfboards, the chinese board makers have come out with their own labels and are putting shop labels out with shop owners names that don’t even shape.

I have never seen a time in my 30 years of surfing that there are more kuks with big mouths in the water than there is right now. There are no enforcers at most local beaches so these fellows who just got sold a line of junk at the local surfshop show up in mass with their Motto, “the best surfer is the one having the most fun,” and simply get in the way and most never learn to surf properly. Many actually injure people.

One of these guys from my local area who reads every magazine cover to cover and can literally barely surf, actually sits in the lineup giving advice to those he thinks surf even worse than he does. He went through the entire line up of name brand popout before trying a nice hand shape and now wants another board. This is what we are dealing with. Surfing has become business or at least is trying to imitate business instead of simply being the cottage industry it has always been.

speaking as a consumer, which we all are on this forum, and everywhere, since we no longer wear animal skins or even know where our food comes from for that matter, i am forced to agree that i am the final say in all that is wrong, and right with every industry.

we are cheap. we want something for nothing. all of us. that doesn’t mean that our hobbies/pass times/lifestyles don’t afford us opportunities to purchase - ie consume - a nicer board/car/stereo/whateverdoodad. how many times have you said, 'jesus, this resin is expensive!" or what about gas prices for that matter? we definately want that for nothing.

face it we are all to blame for this, and unless we educate the other consumers about the 1. loss of jobs, 2. crappy quality and 3. environmental chaos cuased abroad by these factories, the game is on its way to being over. that famous quote, “an educated consumer is our best…” load of crap at the time, but maybe it was prophecy.

shop owners - quit selling the wrong board to the kuks just to make a sale. it only hurts you in the end. and all you kuks out there, don’t fall for the bullsh*t being fed to you by all the magazines. you have a brain. use it, or you will always be a kuk, no matter what you ride.

i went from a california factory where things were cheap, to the bahamas where everything is almost 3x as much, to brasil where it is half of US cost. business is the same everywhere. the consumer wants everything for nothing.

figure out how to get us consumers to pay or at least understand a little more. that’s the problem, as i see it.

i don’t know matt, so i cam not going to say what he is/isn’t. before i got ‘old’ and was a dedicated skater, there was alway crap flying about who sold out for what to whom. and what about the music scene? who cares who sold out anyway? you know who sold out, why give them more air time than they already have?

oh i got an idea… how about we actually praise someone doing something good in our industry instead of always talking shit about each other?

I can’t believe that is a real email.

bringing in paint pens from Japan as an accomplishment on a resume is up there with Columbus bringing veneral disease to the native americans. Just think about all the airbrushers he put out of business. So he is the one to blame???

A free market is a great thing but you can’t have it both ways. Why waste your time hating asian imports. Try making something unique that people will want to purchase in the surfboard industry. If the grass seems greener on the other side of the fence you can either join them or ask if you can mow their lawn. I just sold one of my “export” boards to a guy in America Samoa today. I wonder if they have a swaylocks equivalent that is cussing me out now? The guy says there is no surf shops there at all. I am the epoxy king on Americal Samoa. Now that on a resume will really rock!!!

Exporting surfboards from America regards.

cp

Lots of interesting things. Personally, I feel that Matt is running a business. He realizes he can’t beat them, but he can join them to be able to stay afloat and spead his message, his take on how surf industry should be.

Educating consumers does help, but the thing is people need to realize they have to give up something to help others. Like surfers have to paying higher prices for surfboards, maybe a few hundred dollars more. But at the same time, surfboard craftsman and builders must make a better product, and put time into reasearch and development, find out what local surfers that really do spend time out in the water feel or want. In short everyone’s going to have to put profit for themselves on hold.

There was this statistics test run. If everyone in the US gave 10% of their income to help out current issues poor / healthcare / etc, there would be no poor people. There would be enough $ to fight the rising tide of drugs etc.

The leaders of the surf industry have to reorganize things. From a manufacturing, supply / warehouse / to retailing level.

Rules have to enstated . . . Like how government regulates electric power.

Backyarders that want to break into the shaping or glassing . . . they join a local guild. Local shops can only hire local glassers n shapers to make entry level dudes in the backyarders guild.

Professional shapers also look for help from backyarders guild. They mentor them etc. When a professional shaper retires, he chooses someone to take the name and carry it on. Or when a backyarder boards are in great demand / etc or they decide to go pro, they leave the backyard friends You could do the same with surfers too . . . The professionals shape boards and often interact with the swaylocks guild. The swaylocks guild’s goal is R&D to make surfboards better (environmentally friendly, last longer, flex better, colors more vibrant etc).

People don’t demand money from innovations, only recognition etc . . . everyone shares knowledge . …

You know something like that . . . of course then you get into discrimatory laws etc . . .but I mean you could use the same tactics that HR depts use to weed out job applicants . . . etc.

But there needs to be some rules and controls to keep

i don’t mind rules. but, who is going to set them up? and who is going to enforce them? who do you trust with your livelihood?

i openly admit to be the new guy on the block. hell, my website looks like crap, and i have more to learn about - hell everything, but i am not sure i trust anyone to look out for me. surely not any ‘big’ business types, including lost, et al. maybe that is too skeptical, i don’t know.

swaylocks is a godsend to all of us, and i can’t thank everyone here enough for the information, and stoke. maybe we could elect someone?

i still believe that the end consumer is going to have the final say. after all what good are super strong, pretty, high/low tech, high performance/soul boards sitting in the rack while the cheapos are flying out the door? origination labels help, but i just checked my tshirt - made in thailand. my cup - signapore. don’t ask about the tv/vcr/dvd player, or the car outside. still bought 'em all. hell aren’t half of ford’s car part from overseas? my point is it all boils down to what the huge seething mass of consumers is willing to pay for a non-necessity/luxury item. until surfing goes out of the limelight, and the entire world is not beach blanket billabong-ing, price is king.

i promise i won’t always be so negative…

edit: when the world is not beach blanket…

So many points to ponder. Being a surfer for 25+ years (resume not required, nor relavant) things have changed and continue to change. The only true tell tale is “give the people what they want” it’s no different in most any other industry that is controlled by the people with money. If you want to find quality you have to creatively search it out. Branding is more important then quality, everyone is obsessed with being cool. Wear the same clothes, listen to the same music being played from the same music gadget. Every now and then you see a bastion of originality and creativity and it gives you hope. Hard to find unless you look deep…real deep. The fight is over for the “industry” it was screwed the second it became an industry. The other shoe hasn’t even fallen yet. Just Wait till the kids in Oklahoma (and every other inland city) gets a wave park. 70,000 pop outs will be 7,000,000. We can’t manage this turf, it’s out of our control. All you can do is try and educate friends and the groms to try and look outside of the “industry” put the magazine away, stop paying $80 a piece for a shirt and baggies and get to “IT”. In the end they’ll put in a couple years and move onto the next thing that is spoon fed to them. Hopefully somewhere the chain is broken and we get back to it. But don’t count on it>> The internet was suposed to liberate musicians from the record companies and distributors , it never happend. It doesn’t mean that you can’t find a creative voice, you just have to look, cause they are out there somewhere>>

Industrialism is poison…just as it was feared to be by those that fought against it in 1860. Industrialism demands a huge population of consumers and the natural human tendency for power, control and luxury will make sure, that regardless of human suffering, jobs lost within the borders of ones own country or the long term damage the industrial push will cause …the cats out of the bag and it’s now human nature at it’s worst.

Capitalism does work to create more comfort for many and those with the brain power to use it, but to the uneducated or less fortunate it also breeds gross unfairness and separates the haves from the have nots with a giant chasm.

Surfing is a beautiful sport, I personally choose to not stink it up with filthy lucre personally, nor aid in anyway those that do.

There is a place for promoters when they hold integrity, but promoters with no integrity are what rules the surf industry. Good post cgyver.