Eric, do you surf?
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Eric, do you surf?
hahahaha
sirwanksa , do you wa… ?
[sorry mate , couldn’t resist !]
Chipfish hehe. there’s a story in surfermag being passed around about a girl who’s surf trip is ruined by wanking
um a foam maker does not need to surf to make good quality surf foam blanks. Ask the Sandia lab techs . . . who make high quality foam for missiles and space shuttles.
but a Surfboard shaper does need to surf to build a good board.
I always laugh when Chinese corporations are trying to get into surfboards or blanks. There is more money to be made doing something else than surfing industry. Like computer co processors. I mean if China’s enemy #1 Taiwan could make AMD that threatens the very existence of Intel in the microprocessor wold . . . China could do the same. Or clothes. Don’t they know that clothes carry most surfshops, not boards?
Or they could make golf clubs, tennis rackets, or ski stuff. Money is in there. Or get into stocks. Or shoes, just take the Nike market from Malaysia and Indonesia. Or make coke cans, dude Coke is world wide.
or unless there is a move by their government to undermine a capitalistic sport that isn’t professionalized enough to block the attempt. But I think its the money thing.
Like NFL they need to have certain standards helmets by manufacturers before they let their teams use that brand of helmet. But ASP only requires thruster and thats it.
you’ve got to be naive to not understand that it’s some westerner (Aussie, Cali, or Hawaiian transplant) driving most of this “entrepeneurship”…
I guarantee you there’s a new westerner coming off every plane with another BS story of riches to be found in order for these production factories to be wasting energy getting diverted onto such a “non-profitable” and fickle sports industry…
Electronics and creating fake other things (CDs, DVDs software etc etc) would be a better use of energy. The Surftech model can’t be duplicated at this point in time as the window of opportunity has long gone…
From some of the ads they put out, either the ‘Western / Hawaiian’ influence entrepreneur is not watching the marketing or it is possible they are doing it out of their own initiative.
Also some of the Chinese ops are doing it on their own. They had a documentary on fake pharmaceutical drugs, and seems that some pharmaceutical vendors are getting some Chinese companies with Western legit paperwork and American sounding names, and finding that they are mainly Chinese managed / ran. Of course they have Western contacts to pimp out their half drugs.
But I’ve seen some western entrepreneur pimping China’s factory surf equipment in craig’s list.
I could name names of folks trying to cash in but I won’t.
It’s disgusting to see folks who have no incentive other that to make a quick buck and get out
fly over there to spin their tales of the great opportunities in the industry…
I don’t doubt some “western” educated locals also smelling a cash opportunity wouldn’t want to sweet talk some struggling factory owner into tale of riches beyond compare…
Like most things in the west
there’s usually no one else to blame
beyond ourselves
for the predicaments we face.
Ah, you don’t need to name the offenders . . . yeah totally agree with that we are responsible for what goes on . . .
Yeah I know, it sucks, exploiting surfing, then exploiting the workers / factory . . . Also there are talks that China has over capacity for its manufacturing which could explain why they are so readily accepting anything that has the possibility of making money. But here am I saying I’m laughing at their business misadventures / decisions while the ramifications is someone gets exploited and possible they don’t eat . . .
Have to apologize for that . . . . just have to remember just be a responsible person and do the best I can . . . See the goodness in others. Anycase I’m rambling.
Always learning something everyday.
Why all this China bashing on Swaylocks? I just don’t get it? Is there some kind of Chinaphobia epidemic going on in the states? Give these guys a break, if they want to try and make blanks why not let them.
The world is a free market, make a better blank anywhere else and it will sell if marketed correctly etc.
Are You guys scared of losing Your world domination or what?
There’s nothing anyone can do about China but to try and cooperate with the chinese and influence their society to change in a good way.
Free world trade is the best way to do this imho.
/Erik
p.s Has anyone actually tried these blanks? I can’t get white XPS in Sweden so I’m interested in anyones serious opinion!
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Free world trade is the best way to do this imho.
I disagree with that statement. I think that free trade is only good when markets are comparable in terms of cost factors. This is clearly not the case. In Sweden, your country, workers will be provided protection and social services and this has a cost. Is it good then to make these expensive Swedish workers unemployed so you can import products from a country where there is no social system and there is no form of protection for workers? Lets not even get started on the environmental concerns… In short the terms social dumping and eco dumping are relevant to this debate.
I have no problem with Chinese but I am very concerned about the erosion of what imho constitutes civilization. Being a democratically inclined person I think that a society cannot ignore taking care of its citizens and treating all citizens with respect. This is a concern that I also think applies to the US economy mind you, it is not limited to the Chinese.
This all being said, I also deplore the simple-minded china bashing. But I also dislike spam posts. If a Chinese or other company wants to advertise their products or services then they should contact the maintainers of this website for advertising services.
As for XPS blanks?? What good are they? Can you laminate them without problems? If you can than I very kindly implore you to share your secret sauce on the matter!!! In my limited experience XPS=delamination!!!
Discussing free trade is a bit off the topic, but lets just say that a totally closed up China might have been like a bigger version of North Korea… pretty horrific thought!
As for Sweden well You know what Dave, Sweden aint what it used to be since mass immigration really started…But this is also o.t.
This chinese guy advertising his blanks should buy an ad I agree, but You know this time around we got to see some pictures of the factory.
I’ve only made one XPS board it went real well and no delam until I screwed up a little bit and had it lying in the sun a warm summers day.
Next board I’m gonna try venting it like that Javier dude does, I don’t know if he does some other things as well to his boards but people seem to be happy with them and he lams boards for big companies like Lost, CI etc.
Minimum order for blanks from China is 30 pieces, You wanna go half?
LOL!
No I use EPS… thanks for the offer but perhaps some of the Scandinavia swaylockers could hook up with you on an order. shipping would be killing for a pile of blanks from SWE to NL or vice versa anyway.
But how do you laminate? Do you vac bag them? Hand layups will always come loose afaik…
Shipping blanks is expensive, I live in the very south of Sweden. I don’t think it’s the distance in it self that costs but the handling.
No I haven’t gotten into vac bagging yet, might in the future.
I don’t think the boards being made with XTR in California are vac bagged, They’re all hand laminated as far as I know.
I don’t know what the trick is with these boards except for the vents?
www.epoxysurfboards.com doesn’t open on my computer, if you meant www.epoxysurfboard.com then you are talking about Bufo and they are made in Germany and the XPS is scarred with grooves to root the fiberglass in the foam and then vacuum laminated in an autoclave… a little bit over the top for a homeshaper… strong boards though…
Just to answer your questions about the vents…yes you must use vents if you are using epoxy resins…no matter what eps/xps foam you are using. Epoxy resins are completly sealed unlike poly resins. They are like a barometer in the heat…when it heats up there are no microscopic holes to vent the air inside so they blow holes or delam. the vents allow the air to escape without cracking or bubbling your board. Epoxy does not like the direct sunlight…so bag your boards when not in use and try to avoid roof racks when possible if you don’t like using vents.
Don’t want to get into the China market…my Blood pressure cannot handle that topic!!!lol
Good luck with your epoxy venture
Try the link again Dave, it should work. It just did on my computer
I’ve tried to contact this Eric Zhang? Where’s the Blanks? A lot of talk and no action? He say’s there are samples? Where are they? Where is your product?
sorry
but you are wrong
there are plenty of ethical reasons not to business with the big C
they are a huge polluter and have a shocking human rights abuse record
anyone serious about surfing should just make there own boards with eps and epoxy
and screw the industry
all it does is make our wonderful surfspots overcrowded with label wearing kooks
fcuk the surf industry
and fcuk china
The big USA has a shocking human rights record too, and is a big polluter.
The USA based global surf industry has been expoiting surfing for decades, total market domination via virtual franchises driven by magazines and comp circuits, all of which I might have ignored if the product (surfboards) had been consistently functional but the fact that the entire planet had to put up with ‘shortboards only’ for most of the seventies just proves how cokced up it all was. . . like as grommets we basically didn’t get to actually surf much for like 5 years because the only boards around were 6 footers which didn’t work at the Mount. . . . countless swells wasted. . . and the shapers wouldn’t make longboards because the frigging USA surf industry dictated that we were in the middle of a ‘shortboard revolution’. . … . some frigging revolution, all it did in my area was turn surfers into drug addicts as they went crazy looking at swells they couldn’t ride !
Now that same McDonalds of a surf industry bleats and pleads ‘Soul’ when another player enters and beats them at their own game !
That industry didn’t care about surfing then and it doesn’t now, let them rot
Rolls eyes to heaven
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