How were they different (if at all) from what the current crop of traditionalists surf? Similar basic dimensions such as 9’6 x 19 x 23 x 16 x 3? Similar 50/50 rails, up in tail and down in nose? Nose concave, and middle to rear belly? Less nose rocker and more tail rocker? Also, what were some of the better noseriders of the later '60’s ('65-'68 or so), other than the Lightweight, Performer, and Ugly? Were the best from '65-'68 or so? Were the popouts of the 1960’s machine made as they are today? Did they surf differently as they do now (say, Surftech)? Thanks for any help- Connor
How were they different (if at all) from what the current crop of > traditionalists surf? Similar basic dimensions such as 9’6 x 19 x 23 x 16 > x 3? Similar 50/50 rails, up in tail and down in nose? Nose concave, and > middle to rear belly? Less nose rocker and more tail rocker?>>> Also, what were some of the better noseriders of the later '60’s ('65-'68 > or so), other than the Lightweight, Performer, and Ugly? Were the best > from '65-'68 or so?>>> Were the popouts of the 1960’s machine made as they are today? Did they > surf differently as they do now (say, Surftech)?>>> Thanks for any help- Connor I had a 9.0 Oceanside “Spoiler” somewhere around '68 or so, that was a great board…relatively light, great noserider, ( with a floral deck as was popular in the day ) Coming from a 9.6 -3 stringer Hobie that was glassed like a battleship, it felt like a sportcar. At 140 lb’s, I was finally able to turn instead of just trim… I’d be interested in how the popouts were made back then also. Can remember a kid in the lineup with a bright orange “Malibu” that had mold marks around the rails…how he ever sat on the board without cutting his thighs to shreds was a miracle.
How were they different (if at all) from what the current crop of > traditionalists surf? Similar basic dimensions such as 9’6 x 19 x 23 x 16 > x 3? Similar 50/50 rails, up in tail and down in nose? Nose concave, and > middle to rear belly? Less nose rocker and more tail rocker?>>> Also, what were some of the better noseriders of the later '60’s ('65-'68 > or so), other than the Lightweight, Performer, and Ugly? Were the best > from '65-'68 or so?>>> Were the popouts of the 1960’s machine made as they are today? Did they > surf differently as they do now (say, Surftech)?>>> Thanks for any help- Connor Bing / David Nuuhiwa / noserider
Bing / David Nuuhiwa / noserider Hey I worked at Oceanside for a while.As for popouts they were made in a mold…first they applied glass and mat…poured foam in, and slammed the lid closed.They were then sanded and pigmented with a gloss like any other board.There was still a lot of handwork on these logs.You could get em a places like sears roebuck for $89.95.New customs ran around $150… R.B.
Hey I worked at Oceanside for a while.As for popouts they were made in a > mold…first they applied glass and mat…poured foam in, and slammed the > lid closed.They were then sanded and pigmented with a gloss like any other > board.There was still a lot of handwork on these logs.You could get em a > places like sears roebuck for $89.95.New customs ran around $150… R.B. I know of some '60’s popouts (a Velzy and Royal Hawaiian) that are available to purchase but I am wondering how they surf? Are they corky like Surf techs? Anything else? Thanks- Connor
I had an older Velzy popout (I think it was a popout - you could see layers of mat in the glass) that was a blast to ride. With the big blade fin, hips and plenty of tail rocker it turned better than you might think. It was still a big heavy log by today’s standards though. Weight and big fins were the biggest obstacles to performance in most of the early 60s models… in the late 60s, lighter boards, thinner rails and better fins made a big difference. In my opinion, this brief period (late 60s) generated many good refined longboard designs that were overlooked and left behind when the short board revolution hit.
I had an older Velzy popout (I think it was a popout - you could see > layers of mat in the glass) that was a blast to ride. With the big blade > fin, hips and plenty of tail rocker it turned better than you might think. > It was still a big heavy log by today’s standards though. Weight and big > fins were the biggest obstacles to performance in most of the early 60s > models… in the late 60s, lighter boards, thinner rails and better fins > made a big difference. In my opinion, this brief period (late 60s) > generated many good refined longboard designs that were overlooked and > left behind when the short board revolution hit. I am convinced some of the “Signature” Models are representative of the apex of design in that era.
I had an older Velzy popout (I think it was a popout - you could see > layers of mat in the glass) that was a blast to ride. With the big blade > fin, hips and plenty of tail rocker it turned better than you might think. > It was still a big heavy log by today’s standards though. Weight and big > fins were the biggest obstacles to performance in most of the early 60s > models… in the late 60s, lighter boards, thinner rails and better fins > made a big difference. In my opinion, this brief period (late 60s) > generated many good refined longboard designs that were overlooked and > left behind when the short board revolution hit. A friend of mine had a pop out, the label too scratched up to distinguish what brand it was, but remarkably it rode quite well. It rode better than the 9’8" Wardy I had at the time. I think it was due to the fact that it was shorter at 8’11", and lighter. There is an article in a 1967 Surfer Magazine called “Men and Their Models” which is one of my favorite reads. It features all the models, and some pictures, available at that time, along with a brief description of shape, design, and price (which is rather amusing, $175 for a brand new Da Cat). My favorite models of that era are the Blue Machine and Peck Penetrator from Morey Pope. There are also excellent articles in Longboard Magazine featuring different models from the longboard era, and one on pop outs too. Sorry I don’t know the specific volumes and no.s. As far as the present pop outs, I did own an early Surf Tech wood veneeer Randy French shape. I thought it rode good, but my involvement with my own shapes kept me from using it too often, so I sold it. It was heavier than I expected, but the one thing I did like about it was its ability to plow thru whitewater from behind the pocket. It felt like it held its momentum really good.
A friend of mine had a pop out, the label too scratched up to distinguish > what brand it was, but remarkably it rode quite well. It rode better than > the 9’8" Wardy I had at the time. I think it was due to the fact that > it was shorter at 8’11", and lighter. There is an article in a 1967 > Surfer Magazine called “Men and Their Models” which is one of my > favorite reads. It features all the models, and some pictures, available > at that time, along with a brief description of shape, design, and price > (which is rather amusing, $175 for a brand new Da Cat). My favorite models > of that era are the Blue Machine and Peck Penetrator from Morey Pope. > There are also excellent articles in Longboard Magazine featuring > different models from the longboard era, and one on pop outs too. Sorry I > don’t know the specific volumes and no.s.>>> As far as the present pop outs, I did own an early Surf Tech wood veneeer > Randy French shape. I thought it rode good, but my involvement with my own > shapes kept me from using it too often, so I sold it. It was heavier than > I expected, but the one thing I did like about it was its ability to plow > thru whitewater from behind the pocket. It felt like it held its momentum > really good. I am trying to remember some of the old popout names…Tiki,Ten Toes,Aquasport,Duke Kahanamoku,Velzy,Malibu,Sportflite…there are more but thats it for now…R.B.
I am trying to remember some of the old popout names…Tiki,Ten > Toes,Aquasport,Duke Kahanamoku,Velzy,Malibu,Sportflite…there are more > but thats it for now…R.B. – Dextra, Phil…
–>>> Dextra, Phil… 35 years ago, did anybody think we would be recalling names of pop-out boards in a discussion of surfing hisory??? Dave Sweet made some well-intended, carefuly constructed pop-outs. They surfed almost as good as custom boards.
35 years ago, did anybody think we would be recalling names of pop-out > boards in a discussion of surfing hisory???>>> Dave Sweet made some well-intended, carefuly constructed pop-outs. They > surfed almost as good as custom boards. about 15 years ago i had an old Phil, and that thing was fast!what was kinda strange about it is that the belly configuration under the nose looked more like a step deck than what I assumed to be some sort of concave.it looked as though it was a step deck that accidently got turned upside down when they installed the fin!
about 15 years ago i had an old Phil, and that thing was fast!what was > kinda strange about it is that the belly configuration under the nose > looked more like a step deck than what I assumed to be some sort of > concave.it looked as though it was a step deck that accidently got turned > upside down when they installed the fin! I think “Phil” supplied the American Independant Pictures beach movies with their prop boards.
I think “Phil” supplied the American Independant Pictures beach > movies with their prop boards. yes indeed-in a couple of beach blanket movies they are plastered/propped up everywhere in almost every scene.
I think “Phil” supplied the American Independant Pictures beach > movies with their prop boards. By the time his Hollywood days were over, he
d made liars out of everyone whod ever said there wasn`t any money in building surfboards…
The early 60’s 9-5 Duke K. pop out with a big old wood fin seemed to want to “pop out” of the water like a cork the one time I rode it. It has a routed out stringer. Was that typical? I think I’ll give it another try this summer now that I have more ballast than before!!
The early 60’s 9-5 Duke K. pop out with a big old wood fin seemed to want > to “pop out” of the water like a cork the one time I rode it. It > has a routed out stringer. Was that typical?>>> I think I’ll give it another try this summer now that I have more ballast > than before!! Yes, PM, routed out stringers were standard on 60’s era pop outs. They actually were very effective. Good strength to weigh ratio. I think Dave Sweet used them on many of his hand made boards.
Yes, PM, routed out stringers were standard on 60’s era pop outs. They > actually were very effective. Good strength to weigh ratio. I think Dave > Sweet used them on many of his hand made boards. I stripped the glass off a broken early sixties Noll longboard once. I was surprised to find to 2 inch balsa stringer had been inlayed. Anybody remember Diwain Boards?
I stripped the glass off a broken early sixties Noll longboard once. I was > surprised to find to 2 inch balsa stringer had been inlayed. Anybody > remember Diwain Boards? Diwain??? Good one, Jim! I completely forgot that one… Didn’t know Noll inlayed stringers. Do you supposed that’s why it broke?
Diwain??? Good one, Jim! I completely forgot that one…>>> Didn’t know Noll inlayed stringers. Do you supposed that’s why it broke? Now that I think of it, my first board was a pop out called Bohemian Surfboards. It was 8’6", and straight as a ladder. I think I pearled more than I didnt with it. But hey, it only cost me $25 from my dad’s poker buddy. I sold it for $40 and with some money I had from my paper route then got serious with a 9’8" Wardy. I too was surprised when we stripped down my friends Noll to find an inlaid stringer. I do remember some other brands like Cutlass and Sting Ray. FD