Making Surfboards and Making Money

I was reading the website of one respected shaper and noticed something that kind of sums up the feeling of many about Hand building surfboards vs. having them made into popouts or mass produced for profit. In this write up the shaper stated that he began making his own surfboards because he liked to surf and wanted to ride his own designs. He believed that neither surfing nor the making of surfboards has anything to do with the material world and that getting rich was never the reason for continuing to shape. Making a surfboard like surfing in many ways seems to me to be a celebration of something vey personal. Something none of us can explain in words to those who don’t surf. Think of it; how do you explain to a non surfer the facination we all have with a piece of carved foam and some fibreglass? You cannot and even if you could they would probably think you nuts.

The thing we all call soul is nothing more than that unexplainable feeling we all get when we go surfing or buy a new surfboard. It’s that image that burns in our minds days and years after one memorable session. We think of our boards in many ways like we think of our pets. When we lose a magic one or it’s gone, we miss it and think about it years later. How does this carry into surfboard making vs. making money? When you have a surfboard made for you by a master or if you build it yourself, you are following in the tradition of the ancient hawaiians. You are fullfiling a ceremony. It is being made by a human being for a specific purpose and that purpose is something felt on a very personal level by those who have chosen to follow the waves. We are tuned into the earths pulse in this area more than your average human. We feel it. thats why we have sayings like, “only a surfer knows the feeling.” When you mix in the love of money or materialism into something like surfing, you are subtracting from the ceremony and turning it into the daily grind that many of us began surfing to escape. Surfing is not about materialism, profit, or political views, it’s about a celebration of life and escape from the material industrial world. Even if but for a moment in time.

The entire industry that we call, "The Surf Industry, " is built around the same greed, corruption, hassle, and competiton that the industrial business world is built around and has the same dark and heavy feeling that that world can bring with it. Capitalism is not a bad thing in and of itself, but it has no place in the act of surfing or the act of building a surfboard. Certainly for those to keep building boards a profit must be made, which is capitalism, but seeking riches from within surfing to me seems to go against the reason we were all drawn to the waves to begin with. It becomes competition instead of feeling.

Those that are trying to get rich from surfing are simply using the art like a parasite to follow their own personal goals and push their own vision on everyone else via advertising and hype. They are making surfing products not for surfers themselves but for those who do not surf or are easily impressed enough to overpay for their products to make them rich. Thus we have something now called, “The Surf Industry.” Which is supposed to represent something that is only really felt not something to be looked at or admired on a wall. What surfers used to do was go surfing, now what many want to do is talk surfing or look surfing. Entire generations have grown up thinking this way or that is how a surfer is supposed to LOOK or supposed to ACT.

The guys that built our boards for us in times past were given almost guru like status because they represented the ones who made our magic carpets to enjoy our celebration of the sea and life. Now many of them have taken a step down into the cauldron of ,“The deal.” Step right up ladies and gentlmen and see the new latest and greatest! Only one of a kind and you can have it today for the low low cost of…

Is this the future…or the past…?

Hello solosurfer,

I was reading an article by Derek Hynd in The Surfer’s Journal a while ago. Derek has similar feelings but said that there is nothing wrong with money being made out of surfing as long as the ‘social contract’ stays true.

The ‘social contract’ forced upon the surfing world by big surfing industry corporations is about as fake as it gets.

Regards, Roy

My post is not against shapers making money, but rather money being the primary goal in shaping or entering the industry. Most parts of what we now call the surf industry are about mammon and nothing more. Anyone who has been to a trade show and listened to the crap spoken there will know my meaning.

Money is just another tool. Learn to use it, and not the reverse.

Love your vocation. Devote yourself to mastering it, but never cease being a student.

Listen to and respect your customers. Create that which makes them happy.

Raise your level of craftsmanship so high that on the worst day it exceeds your customers’ best expectations.

Embrace the lessons of life that teach patience.

Be faithful and honest when no one is looking.

Work hard. Old dogs can learn new tricks.

Give more than you take.

VELZY’S FACE ,THOSE RUBBED OUT LAMINATED FINS,THE WOOD BOARDS ON END IN THE JOURNAL PICTORIAL…ALL HAVE THE SAME WRY SMILE THAT YOU KNOW VELZY IS THAT SYLVESTER THE CAT THAT JUST ATE TWEETY … ambrose … he may not be related but he is an uncle to many of us every time we pick up a block or plane, treading the line on the crest without losing the glide

Hello solosurfer, I can’t help agreeing with you, but just now I was merrily posting pictures at surfermagazine.com’s forum and I realized that although I might not like everything that’s out there, the existing surf industry is actually creating free opportunities for those who want to have a say (just like Swaylock’s). So I suppose there are those in the surf industry who put a bit back into it, and I am personally grateful for that. Regards, Roy

its funny , coz this topic was only being discussed yesterday around here…

whats the real cost of making excess money???

i had a customer come in , he was sorta complaning about the wait for his board…

said some of his mates had got surftechs…coz they werent willing to wait a year for one of mine…he said he would have got one as well , but they didnt have a model that would have suited him…him and the others have all been long time customers(so they know the value of sandwich contruction)…

he says to me , “why dont you employ more people and crank it up again?”…

i said " look , i value my freedom to much now,i can surf when i want, no doors obliged to be open,i can travel freely , without having my foot nailed to my business, if someone finds me ill build em a board , if they dont , theres always surftech,i can work when i want , play with the kids when i feel like it …if the bills are paid why stress myself out , im the one who has to live it…"

then i ask him “so what would i really gain from cranking it up again?, a few extra dollars at what cost???”

he says “everyones reckons your a looser for shutting a perfectly good business”

i said “its not about the money, its life satisfaction, im free now, whats freedom worth???”

just then my oldest boy runs down to the workshop and asks for help on a plane he made from scrap balsa and foam offcuts…(perfect timing)

he says “ok i get your point, but when is my board gonna be ready???”

i say “when its done”…

these days i make surfboards coz i want to and enjoy it ,not because i have to ,its not just a job anymore,i got my passion back…

if i had to use this expression…theres definatly more soul in sunova’s again…

realisticly ,the surf industry treadmill will always exist…

some people just die while there on it…

i laugh when i think about all the surf shop owners , who thought they were gonna get to go surfing more, but find there in there shops 60 hours a week , having to listen to customers coming in all the time reminding them how good the surf is …

and the customer saying “yea i saw bert out there again today”…LOL…

life is fun…

enjoy it …

regards

BERT

There’s some truth to behold in all these threads. Money itself is absolutely beautiful, it provides security, liberty, freedoms, not to metion, real handy when bills come due. Great stuff to have around. If you start to chase something it’s probably going to act like it doesn’t want to be caught. Sit there contently, and it will probably eventually come up and nuzzle you.The wisdom on this has been around for a long time to back it up. It’s the love of money that’s the root of all evil.

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Those that are trying to get rich from surfing

Exactly the point of my post. The love of money has little to do with going surfing or building surfboards. That is not the enviroment that has been growing since the so called Surf Industry has been born. BTW: Money gives you nothing. Money can be a blessing to some and a curse to others.

Bert, you sound like you are totally happy with what you do. I think after you have weighed up lifes good and bad you have been able to achieve the balance that you are comfortable with. Age has something to do with that too.

I too hope to be able to step up to self actualisation one day.

Well done

Hicksy

Solosurfer,

I get what you’re saying and it’s beautifully idealistic but how could you make the distinction between the very hard working master shaper and the “in it to get rich” greedy businessman.

Take Bert for instance, if he did crank up his production (to the detriment of his family time and lifestyle) and started pulling in more dollars, at what point would you say that he had overstepped the mark and become greedy vs just a hard worker? Some people are driven internally to work harder and harder and happen to make more dollars as a consequence, instead of chasing the dollar in the first place.

Actually following on from your original post, I think more blame should be placed on the clothing and accessory manufacturers rather than the board manufacturers. It’s the clothing and accessory manufacturers that have really cashed in and effectively created the modern “surf industry”. They primarily are the ones that do the “it’s so cool to look like a surfer” type advertising and the result are millions of “closet surfers”. They’ve got a wardrobe/closet full of surf clothes but most haven’t even been the the beach.

It’s a tough question isn’t it, at what point does the soul of surfing leave and greed take over??

Kind Regards,

Matt.

so true solo…so remain a surfer…and keep charging your next surf…my biggest excuse is IM 2 BUSY SURFING…SURFERS HAVE TO MAKE MONEY…why not from a business we know? dealing with the almighty dollar is always a compromise of the soul…karmaless work is the best…something that leaves the world a better place…we dont all have this luxury…the guys chopping down the trees wouldnt do it if their family was housed and fed and they had a surfboard under their arm

Matt,

There is no denying my post is idealistic. No doubt at all. Again, I am not cutting on those who make a good living building surfboards. I am happy for them.

I am aiming more at the clothing companies and the new popout and Chinese companies whose sole purpose is to make money from the sport. Not to make a living from within the sport to enjoy a lifestyle. Turing the surfboard into a comodity and trying to pigeon hole every surfer into a certain look or way of speaking etc. It’s here to stay as we are a capitalist society, but many Surfboards are becoming plastic toys and the so called Surf clothing companies are trying their best to define surfing by their ads and the latest in Surf Fashion.

To answer your question on where the line is drawn: I am not passing judgement on anyone. I am simply writing a lament to some of the things of the past that I feel made our art so unique. I would say we are losing our individuality for the sake of industrialism. Our art has had some characters in it and has always been on the fringe and not the mainstream.

Fortunately there are still some of the craftsmen around and plenty of surfers who simply love being out there. Swalocks is a testiment to that.

I still have one of my very first surfboards handshaped for me in the Mid Seventies. When I look at that handcrafted board; I think of all the waves I enjoyed on it and the fellowship with the guy who made it for me. You aint gonna get that buying a board at walmart or Sams.

i probably see it a little different to most manufacturers…

i dont have a problem with cheap boards existing…in fact , i hope that cheaper boards can be found , to encourage more kids into surfing…

the crew who make custom boards are a limited number…

now if more and more people take up surfing , then the customer base broadens…

leaving the custom guys having there positions more firmly fixed at the top of the triangle…

after youve brought a cheap board (maybe secondhand) next say an asian popout,eventually that surfer will start buying custom boards…

chances are he would never of started surfing if he couldnt get a cheap board to start on in the first place…

i went down to k mart and got my boy this insane bmx bike for 80.00 i couldnt believe how cheap it was …if you could get surfboards that cheap, there would be way more grommetts in the water…

all those extra surfers in the water , would help stimulate the board market…

if the world was full of ferrari makers , most of us would be walking, and there wouldnt be much of an automotive industry…

but on another note ,yes there are those in the industry who have profited on the image of surfing and used board builders as the sacrifical lamb…

one prominent retailer over here ,on sells surfboards at wholesale prices to the public…basically making no profit on the boards…but reckons now there cleaning up…how???

that surfer will need a wetsuit,legrope,deck grip,boardbag,wax,some boardies,sunnies,a few surf vids,rashie and the list goes on , some of those items have a 50% profit mark up…

if they never sold the cheap board , they would never make the profit on the accesories…

so where does that leave the board builders who helped create the whole surfing culture in the first place???

feeling pretty ripped off …

ive seen first hand , how the retailers have led the push for cheaper and cheaper surfboards , continuing to squeeze board builders for cheaper prices, saying stuff like “if you cant match those prices, i can get some cheap asian boards”…

the bottom line is most of there customers are gumby’s with out a clue , who have been suckered by hype advertizing and wouldnt know the difference between a good or bad board…they just see pretty colours and labels …

those customers eventually wake up and start finding custom board builders…

i know good retailers , they make a good living , charge the going rates , look after there suppliers and customers…

they can show up at the beach and there part of the crew…

then theres retailers , who are nothing but grubbers…you dont see em at the beach much…

we all know whos who…

grommets eventually grow up and figure out whos who as well…

things even out in the long run…

i know who id rather be …

regards

BERT

“… if you could get surfboards that cheap, there would be way more grommetts in the water… all those extra surfers in the water, would help stimulate the board market…”

Over-crowding is a problem, not a solution.

http://www.surfpulse.com/dtl/dtl-6.shtml

not here…i have trouble finding someone to surf with…

i work with a grom …nearly every surf we have during the week , we have it to ourselves…

for some reason surfing is losing popularity over here…

when i was 14 there was 30 other kids in my year who surfed…over 100 surfers in the school…

now that same school that i went to has 6 stand ups and about 20 boogas…

figure that one out???

regards

BERT

That`s simple. Cheap bodyboards = way more grommets in the water…

OK, I’m admittedly playing a bit of Devil’s Advocate here, but the way I see it the answer is that there is no easy answer which addresses all the issues. There are “Custom” shapers out there who do not want to waste their time grinding out large numbers of stock boards, yet slag the companies who do churn them out. Others rationalize having Surftech reproduce their designs by saying that it “frees” them to work on the boards which keep their skills up. All seem to acknowledge the need for mass produced boards on some scale, but few seem to want to be the ones who actually make them.

The retailers want boards as cheap as possible to draw in the clothing and accessories customers because that’s where the profit margins are. Someone should do a study of how much the average consumer spends on the board vs. the clothing and accessories, I think it would be very enlightening.

One thing everyone seems to agree on: no one makes any real money on surfboards. Yet everyone aspires to somehow live comfortably while trying to surf as much as possible. So what do they do? Try to make a living off a surf related business in an effort to live as close to the dream as they can. And who are we to judge? Is it any less of a sell out to work in a chemical plant to pay the bills and surf in your spare time?

Given the system we currently live and work in, there is only so much room to be an intentional outsider without losing the power to control one’s own destiny. Think about efforts such as Surfrider, which succeeds primarily due to it’s ability to co-opt the system and make it work to acheive a specific end. If all they did was rant and rave they and their goals would be dismissed in an instant. Like it or not, money is a form of power in this society, and the “surf industry” grows more powerful each day. Sure, we could all hide our head in the sand and act as if it were possible to live on a desert island with no other people and surf empty breaks every day, but that the ain’t reality for most of us. Money and votes are powerful things.

To summarize, I think the “surf industry” will shake itself out in the end as all businesses do. There will be Boom and Bust cycles. Think about it: although the “industry” seems to get bigger every day, no matter what you do there are not going to be many surfboards sold in Ohio. You can’t sell one to everybody, and even if you did you would not be seeing all of them in the line up. If everyone who bought a board did go out it would be so crowded that most would give up and the “industry” would die.

As for the pop outs some will buy them and go on to eventually want something better. Others will try to surf on them once and give up. The simple reality is that surfing is not for everyone, there are skills and resources which are necessary, and most people simply don’t have the will or the way. Watching surfing on TV or buying surf clothes is a different thing. Personally I’m not worried about how many people wear surf clothes, etc. because it does not translate to actually surfing.

Again, my 2 or maybe 3 cents worth, at least for now.

the newspaper yesterday said 250,000 surfboards are made each year. if 150,000 are mass-produced then 100,000 are custom. if a shaper makes 500 a year (10 a week) that means the world is big enough for 100,000/500 = 200 professional shapers.

I am always hearing how there is no money in surfboards. When I first opened my store, I sold about 168 Surfboards in 9 months of one shaper. That did not include the other two shapers on my shelf. None were cheap. All of them were shaped by some of the best in the business and right in with the current prices. I only marked them up $100 dollars. The ticket is keeping your overhead low and actually selling the quality and experience of your shaper instead of cutting hime out of the equation for more mark up. It’s too late now of course because many shapers have learned they can go direct to the public and make more money and less hassle.

The shaper retailer relationship was always the weak part of the system because most retailers can’t shape and most shapers can’t sell. The retailers helped to make the shaper, but without the shapers skill there would be no surfboard retailer. There are a few that figured out how to make it work. Very few. The real culprits of selling out are the silly clothing companies who have pretty much sunk beneath the decency level with some of their identities they sell: From Bruce Irons with a needle in his arm for DC shoes to Reef sellling Arse. These guys pretty much have tried to create an image for the surfer to follow rather than simply letting things take their natural course. That part of the industry has become the sport of punks instead of the sport of kings and unfortunately many shapers have followed right along with them to see if they could get their 15 minutes, instead of realizing THEY were the ones who really held the purse strings.

Money is a powerful motivator, but had they banded together early on, they would have got the payout instead of some of these people who now have their names on surfboards that don’t even really shaper or were never any good at it.

In the Words of the wicked Witch of the North, “What a world, What a world!”