Member banishment announcement

General Discussion
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It seems Roy has been banned. And since his last post announcing this banning has been removed, I felt it is appropriate to mention it in a new thread so that those who were in a conversation with him will know why he hasn’t replied.

Personally I don’t see what the big deal is and suspect some people read way more into his posts than is there. Clearly, any disruptive influence he may have had on the forum pales in comparrison with the negative effect of accepting a policy where members can be banned because a single other member, or minority of members, wanted him to be.

I’ve been told that if he behaves himself, he can come back. First, if he can’t post, how can he do that? And secondly, who decided who gets to decide what “behaving” means? Is this not a community with community standards? Can the community not policy itself in real time without taking the easy way out?

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Furthermore, why are DrLee, Halsose, Meecrafty, Halcyon, Keith Melville and others allowed to continue to post when they have repeatedly broken the ‘no personal attack’ rule,and why do we have to be subjected to the Burger Spamatorium which breaks the ‘no advertising’ rule? What about the ‘check your spelling’ rule: it is obvious to me that several members on this forum don’t bother with this.

BTW I have been reading this forum since Roy joined.

Emma Stewart

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Roy brought a few unique ideas, but he also brought a caustic attitude into almost every thread. He was warned, backed off a bit, then went on being Roy.

In the end it was all too penguinesqe!

Somewhere in Kiwi-land surfs a orange helmeted man on a very long log.

Cheers to Roy!

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I vote that DrLee is also banished: Here are 2/3rds of his posts, all addressed to Roy.

You so full of bullshite, maybe it propel you faster when you

release gas out your rear end? 22 July 2004

An obvious hazard of large wooden boards is being hitten in head

You’ve obviously been hitten in

head alot 26 July 2004

You guys need to go easy on Roy

he been hit in head alot with wooden surfboard

and dallyance with alcohol. 26 July 2004

yuk , that picture of you in plaid underwear is gross.

get rid of the woodie. 27 july2004

I think Mr. Spritzer was drawing attention away from the pictures

of your crotch panties to the ‘addict’ lable, then again I could

be wrong. 07 August 2004

Get this Dog-Eared Boy/Idiot-Savant out of here! 19 August 2004

Mr. Roy you very impetuous an arrogant man. 17 September 2004

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Oh no Mrs Stewart seems to be mad and knows how to rite oops I mean write.

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So much for free speech.

"Don’t follow leaders

Watch the parkin’ meters"

-Bob Dylan 1965

-Carl

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And here are a couple of 220grit’s posts:

"Roy Stewart is an a*shole that touts pro-Al Qaeda propaganda overt at surfermag.com

Everyone there stays VERY clear of this New Zealand maggot".

“Roy baby, dozens of us in here have already talked about your suspect behavior and we all have come to the conclusion that you need to take that “stick” outta your ass. Use your hands, pliers, or have your gay roommate do it. Just do it. You’ll be happier in the end”.

Are these personal attacks or what? Mike Paler allows this filth to pass without comment!

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well that kind of sucks. I mean, yeah he was caustic and abrasive and VERY penguinesque in the way that he pimped his designs… And he was warned to chill out and didn’t… Yeah, I guess you have to do what you have to do to keep the peace.

And Roy, oops, I mean Emma…

Really dude, just take it in stride. Water off a duck’s back. The reed that bends with the current.

I don’t think anyone, except for maybe the most narrow-minded, had any issue with you sharing your designs. The only issue was the pushiness and the attitude and the seeming desire to “blow your own” horn on virtually every thread you posted on.

Maybe there have been others to make personal attacks as well, but nobody seemed to try as hard to be singled out as you. Let your work speak for itself. If it is great work, you don’t need to pimp it.

Don’t know how much merit your personal attacks references have, but accusing Mr Burger (you were referring to Bert, were you not?) of spamming was kind of silly. In fact, I think Bert Burger’s posts are what all of us should aspire to, not spam and pimping. He shows new construction ideas and designs, lets those who appreciate them do so on their own time, and certainly doesn’t have a link to his website on every single post he writes… Like others I could name… In fact, he doesn’t need this place to get business. He said himself he was backordered till the end of time, good luck getting one of his boards. He shares his hard-won innovations freely, for the sake of sharing of information, at the risk of someone ripping him off and taking business from him. That’s what this place is about.

Really, Roy. I almost detect some wood board envy there.

At any rate, Roy, (or Emma, or whomever) I love seeing different stuff like your boards, that part of your presence will be a loss from this place. Chill out and come back and be cool and be part of the community, and don’t be bitter, ok?

Can’t we all be friends?

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Listen buddy I am not unclear about my identity thankyou. Going on about Penguins means nothing to me.

Do we have to see every single board that Burger has made? Anyhow his boards are full of foam and only have butt joined balsa on the outside, so I wouldn’t call that a wooden board.

Emma Stewart

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I’ve been reading Swaylocks for about a year or so and have gotten a lot of good information from it.

One thing I had liked about Swaylocks was it seemed to be a bit freer from the usual ad hominem personal attacks that seem to dominate so many other forums, especially those centered around surfing.

Roy’s posts had caught my eye early on because he seemed to be somewhat of a Maverick and often was at odds with others on this forum over issues of surfing philosophy, board design, ect. I also tended to agree with much (although not all) of what he had to say.

Although he did sometimes cross a certain line (gray as it oftentimes was), in his defense, I would say that so did many others.

IN ADDITION, TO ROY"S CREDIT, I CAN"T RECALL HIM EVER SINKING TO THE LOW LEVEL OF PERSONAL INSULTS (as did many of those in disagreement with him).

I recently decided to join Swaylock’s myself, in part due to a desire to SHARE with others my method of building balsa boards.

Wouldn’t you know it, but I was personally attacked because my techniques and methods did not measure up to those of the ELITE MASTERS.

For the most part I attempted to avoid getting ensnared in personal arguments.

ROY, on the other hand, came to my DEFENSE.

Considering the time and effort involved in taking pics and writing step by step explanations of my project, as well as Roy’s support of my efforts, and most importantly WHAT THE SWAYLOCK’S FORUM NOW SEEMS TO HAVE DEVOLVED INTO (a place to toss around insults and settle personal vendettas), as well as pose some rather mundane issues having little or nothing to do with surfcraft design, I have to seriously question whether or not it is really worth my time and trouble to continue posting on this forum.

BTW, don’t bother posting any SNIDE COMMENTS about the non-loss of my meager posts, as ICCL (I Couldn’t Care Less).

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I think the moderators have made a HUGE mistake in banning Roy Stewart. As a result of your actions you have activated this thread and the protestations will continue to build on both sides of the arguement.

You will need to humble yourselves to some degree to water this incident down. Everyone here has different ways of doing things, saying things and touting their ideas. Ideas that are important to the individual involved. Ideas that can be shared or ignored and ideas that can spurn people to think and act differently.

Lighten up people, back away from this and restore the order that this forum once had. It’s not like Roy dropped in on you and broke your board in half.

Hi Emma good to see you here and welcome. I know you’ve supported Roy for what seems like forever and you know your man. He doesn’t need defending, he’s a big boy just like the rest of us. I think you would be lowering yourself to the level of the moderators ineptitude to continue to respond to barbs.

Now I’m going to look at other threads.

Hicksy

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Well, I tried to extend the olive branch, and because of my presumption about whom I was addressing it was declined.

Fair 'nuff. Serves me for making assumptions.

You seem very angry, Mrs. Stewart. I’m sorry that Roy not finding the kind of acceptance he desires here has had such an impact upon the two of you.

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Mr. Paler,

I love what you have created here with Swaylock’s and am deeply grateful to you for it. I love it’s non-commercialism and the general good vibes of it’s members. But, while I am not sure what RS did or didn’t do, I am sure that I’m old enough to ignore any posters who detract from the Swaylockian spirit without assistance.

Censorship is usually not a good thing.

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It hadn’t occurred to me that Swaylocks could move toward becoming a P-C oriented, 1st Amendment infringing forum manipulated by an emotional, persistently whining minority who feel threatened by divergent ideas, as bizarre as some of them may be. What’s the crux, cretins?

Consider, pro-banners, that your insecurities/inadequacies would be presenting as much more prominent than your manhood.

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Thanks for your kind words,Hicksy. I AM going to post the reason why Roy was booted off the forum this morning, however.

Roy,

You’ve broken rule #1 No personal attacks, several times in one thread.

“So the guy actually got you all to get off your rear ends and start hassling!” Personal attack

“You probably all needed the extra exercise!” Personal attack

“No doubt it also did good things for your male bonding with the regulars too, it always helps solidarity with your buddies to gang up on someone physically rather than just sitting there getting grumpy about it.” personal attack.

Once again, Roy, it’s not your opinions that are so irritating (people that share your opinions are all over the place) it’s your delivery.

That was a message from Mike Paler.

The reason I’m so fired up about all this is that I found those comments quite funny, and not in the least offensive. So Roy is hassling Keith about dropping in on some young tourist on a big board, who was getting some waves and having a good time without being phased by the heavy local element, so what? (Surfing rule thread) Don’t you think that it is a bit ridiculous to see grown (I hope) men participating in this kind of gang bullying?

I was very surprised to see Keith climbing on his high horse!

Actually I don’t think Roy could care less about Swaylock’s. He’s sanding his new kneeboard now, and planning some other things. You haven’t seen the last of him yet!

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Howzit Dragon, I think it's time for every body to sit back and count to ten or whatever it takes stop the dissing. Maybe instead of banning somebody we can put them on probation for a week or so and if a person doesn't learn a lesson they will be put on double probation but after the third time they are gone for good. This is supposed to be a website for learning and teaching the art of surf related topics. If you don't agree with somebody then just say so and leave it at that with out the personnal attacks. It seems that this thread is starting to get ugly itself and after this reply I won't be reading any more of it since it isn't teaching anybody anything. Aloha,Kokua
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Furthermore, why are DrLee, Halsose, Meecrafty, Halcyon, Keith Melville and others allowed to continue to post when they have repeatedly broken the ‘no personal attack’ rule,and why do we have to be subjected to the Burger Spamatorium which breaks the ‘no advertising’ rule? What about the ‘check your spelling’ rule: it is obvious to me that several members on this forum don’t bother with this.

BTW I have been reading this forum since Roy joined.

Emma Stewart

The Good,the Bad and the Ugly:

Roy made good posts , bad posts, was argumentative, was friends with other, and ‘nobody could tell him what to do’.

Which he reminded us of on a semi-regular basis, the last of which was someone relating

the Surfing Rules sign posted at Beaches with Nat Youngs imprimatur.

i.e. Roys quote was ‘Nat Young doesnt tell me what to do’.

Perhaps he should be ordered back! :wink:

Well he is temporarily banned, I would think coming back onto the board with a New Identity immediately makes

it officially permanent.

You coulndt reply to one of his posts or disagree with him without ‘circular arguments’ going round and round.

He had a Chip on his shoulder.

He never knew how to ‘agree to disagree’ and any disagreement with his thoughts would

generate a flurry of argumentative defense.

He stretched my patience and others, pimped his products, pumped his ‘Longer and Heavier’ surf design philosophy and personal thoughts throughout this board, reaching into virtually every thread,( an admitted exaggeration)

but to such an extensive level that no one else had even approached including the Fat Penguin Boy.

On the other hand, others liked Roys posts and they were helpful to them. Many of them blissfully ignore

the bad decorum, vibe and agitation present in many of the not-so-good posts.

It all comes down to this, RoyBoy needs his own personal Blog Site and Forum.

Maybe it would improve his Bliss to have others banished with him, afterall it is what he is requesting.

He wants his ‘equality’ anyway he can get it!

Maybe someone will find , in the balance of things, since he used a Spell Checker that he’s not so bad

afterall.

Frankly that ‘Surfing Rules’ thread with BlindBoy, etal was unnecessarily very argumentative on Roy’s side

and he even criticized the Good Ole USA and it could be succesfully argued that he egged people on to

argue with him in it.

– I was wondering how much further Crapola he was going to get away with

when I saw that criticism of the Good Ole USA mixed in with his argumentative banter.

We Bleed and our sons Die and Bleed for other peoples Freedom and Our Way of Life.

BTW, I’m a Veteran.

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To All,

“” Furthermore, why are DrLee, Halsose, Meecrafty, Halcyon, Keith Melville and others allowed to continue to post when they have repeatedly broken the ‘no personal attack’ rule,and why do we have to be subjected to the Burger Spamatorium which breaks the ‘no advertising’ rule?“” Emma Stewart

Let’s get the record straight. I have not repeatedly broken the ‘no personal attack rule’. I have purposely stayed away from all of Roy’s threads for some time because everytime he’s in one the issue of surfcraft developement always takes a back to some other agenda. I’m not going to review my exchanges with Roy. It would be laborious and a waste of everyones time. I have not spamed anything that Roy has posted. We travel separate roads and our approach to surfing is about as opposite as I can imagine they could be.

Live and let live I say but making grossly inclusive statements that are intended to precipitate conflict like the one quoted above are not what this forum is about.

Frankly I don’t care whether Roy stays or not, cause I’ll just ignore him simply because, in simple terms, he’s just to much of a know it all. He has continually set himself above others and this is not a healthy posture because it discourages comfortable interchange and I find it offensive.

When I come here I attempt to keep my ego out of the way and make my commentary as object as possible. For me education is a two way street. I have told Roy off a few times because I felt he was off base and swaggering around. There is no doubt he has positive things to offer and I have complimented him on a few of his positive comments.

If you bitter that Roy got booted, remember who’s calling the shots here. We are all guests of Mike Paler and he calls the shots. I for one feel pretty lucky to be accepted here and I won’t stand by and let unwarranted slander pass without confronting it directly.

You won’t find me on this thread any more. I have positive things to attend to.

Back to the fin shop, Rich

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Maybe instead of banning somebody we can put them on probation for a week or so and if a person doesn't learn a lesson they will be put on double probation but after the third time they are gone for good.

Yeah, maybe. But my question would be is who gets to decide that someone isn’t behaving properly and needs to go on probation? The thin-skinned moderators? A vote of the overall readership? This thread has shown that those two don’t necessarily agree.

Sure, Mike started this forum and probably pays more of the bills. But once it becomes a public forum, the owner shouldn’t rule over it as he sees fit. He gave up that right when he opened the forum to the general public. This is Internet 101, guys. Instead the public should deal with its “problems” out in the open. We don’t need one person deciding for us that another member’s posts aren’t appropriate for us to read.

People will say offensive things or behave in a manner that you don’t like. That’s life. The way to deal with that is not to try to work on the other person to change their behavior or to try to eliminate that person: the way to deal with it is to work on yourself so that you will not be offended or anger by simple words on a computer screen.