NEW: SHARPENING BLOCK PLANES -RAZOR SHARP

I noticed a recent post requesting help with plane blades. A couple of years ago I posted a “how to” in order to get your block plane blades beyond razor sharp. “Epac” apparently found it in the archives (he’s a master at finding info and visuals here on Sway). I’ll post it again with his revived info. here now in hopes it will help those of you who have a hard time planing stringers, nose, and tail blocks, etc.

It’s a five part series. Click number one, click on the photos at the bottom. Then click back to here and go to number two, etc. It’s long, but I tried to make it detailed in order for you to really get it right.

Richard

SHARPENING PLANE BLADES

FIVE PART SERIES

  1. http://www.swaylocks.com/…string=sharp;#184478

  2. http://www.swaylocks.com/…tring=of%205;#184481

  3. http://www.swaylocks.com/…string=sharp;#184482

  4. http://www.swaylocks.com/…string=sharp;#184484

  5. http://www.swaylocks.com/…tring=of%205;#184485

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I noticed a recent post requesting help with plane blades. A couple of years ago I posted a “how to” in order to get your block plane blades beyond razor sharp. here now in hopes it will help those of you who have a hard time planing stringers, nose, and tail blocks, etc.

SHARPENING PLANE BLADES

FIVE PART SERIES

Mr Richard Mc - San - I constantly check out your information for reference. When there is such good information coupled with a question why not go to the bank?

aloha ~

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http://www.mccormickfinewoodworking.com/…rfboard_process4.htm

Hi Richard,

there’s been a fair bit of discussion around planes and blades here recently, I for one have started to develop a bit of a thing for collecting different types of planes, so you reposting this is really well timed. I’ll get on to looking for a piece of heavy glass as soon as I get chance.

My dad gave me a couple of old planes some time back (along with some other kit which he no longer uses) which I’ve always suspected could work better than they do, hopefully this will have them properly sorted.

I bought a blade sharpening wheel thing which attaches to a drill some years back, used it twice and promptly put it in the back of the cupboard where it lives with the Goblin teasmaid and the Swingball…Rubbish!

I’ve always steered clear of honing guides as my dad reckoned they’re not worth the hassle of setting the blade into (my dad has some odd notions sometimes), I’ll take your advice on this I think and take a drive to Charlies later.

Thanks again Richard, top stuff!

Thats and interesting read.

Actually that is exactly how I’ve been sharpening my blades! but I’d never been taught how, I just found that I could get a very sharpe blade with sand paper, I’ve never told anyone I do it this way because I thought I was some how being cheap, cheating or they would laugh? I feel quite vindicated now.

Aloha Fatbas and Woodie W,

I mentioned my slight preference for the “Record” brand block plane over the Stanley. Since I posted this article four years ago the Record planes have become extremely hard to find here in the USA. I notice both you guys live in the UK which is where Record used to make their planes. Therefore, perhaps you guys know where to find the Record planes. They may have sold or quit producing them. Too bad, as Record has been around forever and has always been known to produce fine planes. I mention this because a good edge on a cheap steel tool is wasted effort. For stringer and other light work the plane body and bottom sole are not as important as the quality of steel used in the blade. Most all the woodworking tools catalogs and websites sell “replacement blades” and upgrade blades which is recommended if you have a fairly inexpensive plane to begin with. As I have mentioned before, the most expensive tool is the cheapo that has to be replaced by the one you should have bought first.

I know Stanley, for example, sells a quality block plane but they also have a cheap “handyman” line of tools and the block plane in that line is…well, “cheap”. Soooo my advice is to either get replacement blades or invest in a better plane to begin with. A decent plane will last your lifetime and more.

Available at www.woodcraft.com and many other woodworking mail order sites.

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Richard

Rich,

As Im sure you know, Lie-Nielsen makes a great plane. The low angle block plane seems to be a winner. A bit on the pricey side. Try ebay or Craig’s list for used Record planes.

Aloha Surfifty,

I agree with you. I mention in my sharpening article that my personal favorite block plane is made by Lie-Nielsen. I own several of their planes. At about $150 there are other block planes that are truly hand crafted works of art and more expensive than the Lie Nielsen, however, you get into diminishing functional returns once you start spending more than a few hundred dollars on a small block plane which has only limited useage compared to other types planes for other jobs within the arena of woodworking. Though the Lie Nielsen is my favorite block plane as a professional woodworker, I would recommend the Stanley (around $40) as a better value for limited use or occasional surfboard crafting. Though less frequent than a couple of years ago, there is still an occasional quality Record block plane offerred on ebay.

Bottom Line: A properly sharpened less expensive blade is far more desireable than a plane costing hundreds of dollars that has a dull blade, thus proper sharpening is EVERYTHING!

Richard, many thanks for bringing this topic back up! I was intriqued enough to get a glass block when I first read it a while back, and then the project somehow got shelved. Now after a careful reread, I am kicking myself for not trying this technique sooner.

As I have a couple of balsas to build before Christmas, the timing could not have been better.

Again, thanks for the detailed explanations and insight.

Yes Record are a great make.

Stanley has at least 90% of the market here now, I don’t think record can still be in business.

I own a record block plane, and also one by sergeant VBM, which has a Record blade - tungsten steel crucible cast, I can get it extremely sharp, much shaper than any Stanley blade. It has a nick in but as it was my Grandfathers I’ve left it in, planning on getting a spar blade if I can find one.

You can still pick them up from the classic tool shops but they can be expensive if in good condition.

I wouldn’t recommend buying one from the internet unless you know what your doing as the condition can vary from being in perfect working order to be being more or less useless as a tool. I guess these tools have been found at the back of the shed are forgotten in an attic somewhere, or just used for a few generations. People buy them as artefacts to sit on the shelf and there aren’t many folks left who know how to maintain a tool of that quality although its not particularly difficult and really just involves looking after them and keeping them coated and well oiled.

I also found that the sanely blades dull a lot quicker, actually it need a good going over.

It’s funny my dad used to love sharpening tools, it was like a separate hobby all in itself. He’d spend whole days doing it, sometimes when he ran out of tools try to get away with sharpening the kitchen knifes without my mother noticing, she hated him sharpening them coz she would always cut herself by accident straight afterwards and blame him, so he had to sneak them out, he always said the a sharp tool was safer to use but I’m not sure my mother agreed.

If there is anything in particular you are hunting for then PM me and I will see if they have it here.

Just thought I’d mension the Clifton planes is a good contender for the Lie Nielsen, a little more traditional in design, and also a little cheaper on this side of the pond as its manufactured here, I think a clifton No.5 is about £175-180 and the lie nielsen is about £240-250 over here.

Great post. I will use this method for my standard planer knives. Do you have a similarly easy method for sharpening knives that have slight radius? I always seem to have problems with some foam tearout during the final work on stringers, and would like to experiment with this concept. Even considered the Lie-Nielsen Convex-Sole Plane. Kind of expensive the minimal shaping I am doing. Thanks. Tim

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Aloha hoggatg,

I don’t recommend such an edge (with secondary bezel) on planer knives. Machines that run at such high rpms will dull a fine edge very quickly. Planer blades for power planers are usually ground to 45 degrees in order to keep a lot more “meat” or thickness of steel at the edge. However, lapping the back side of the blades as described for hand plane blades will give a much cleaner cut. Regarding a slight radius: How to do that is briefly explained in the final part 5 section of the article. The Lie-Nielsen Convex plane is a fine plane usually used for small fine work. The convex is too deep to use for stringers, as it just makes a hollow. Enjoy the ride!

Richard

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Aloha hoggatg,

I don’t recommend such an edge (with secondary bezel) on planer knives. Machines that run at such high rpms will dull a fine edge very quickly. Planer blades for power planers are usually ground to 45 degrees in order to keep a lot more “meat” or thickness of steel at the edge. However, lapping the back side of the blades as described for hand plane blades will give a much cleaner cut. Regarding a slight radius: How to do that is briefly explained in the final part 5 section of the article. The Lie-Nielsen Convex plane is a fine plane usually used for small fine work. The convex is too deep to use for stringers, as it just makes a hollow. Enjoy the ride!

Richard

It’s been a long strange trip, and just checking in…

Richard’s right, as ever. If I might add a little more:

The Lie-Nielsen’s are lovely things…and far beyond my means for day to day hackwork. You kinda want to polish them and put 'em on a shelf rather than actually using 'em.

But you can tune up old planes rather nicely and get them to really perform well. A trawl through The Electronic Neanderthal will get you a lot on that.

Steel power planer blades like those in the Skil or later successors most definitely should be sharpened ‘cobby’ - they deal with impact stresses when they come around and hit the material. You might be able to do that second bevel on a spiral cutter like you find on the Rockwell/Porter Cable but it wouldn’t be easy: they have a bit of blade on the material at all times ( no little planer ripples like you get on Skils ) but y’know, they cut good any way you sharpen 'em.

Sharpening in general: I’m old, old school. As an apprentice, my first ‘skill’ was sharpening things. I still use oilstones at work 'cos here it gets cold and a water impregnated waterstone can freeze and crack. Instead, I’ll tune up a plane iron ( or chisel) with a powered water grindstone ( like http://www.grizzlyindustrial.com/products/Slow-Speed-Grinder/G1036 though mine is an old Delta ) and follow it with a soft Arkansas stone. The water-grinder produces a faintly concave surface which can be brought to perfection with the bench stone.

Other sharpening stuff:

While plate glass is lovely and dead flat, you can fake it with either a nice tablesaw top ( cast iron and milled - wipe off the water that gets away and oil it right ricky-tick ) or some scrap Corian countertop material.

I’m an oil guy, though, except on my really good knives and my straight razors which get the really fine waterstones. . My favorite sharpening oil is now industrial sewing machine oil, a clear mineral oil that’s nice, low viscocity stuff that’s relatively cheap and floats off the metal particles you make working the steel away. Or, cut store-bought mineral oil with lamp oil to get it thin almost like water, lets say milk. Use lots of it and wipe off your stone with a non-fuzzy rag regularly, then re-oil. When you don’t do that, your stone can clog with metal bits. Not good.

Sharpening by hand is a real skill. Practice. If you are getting a convex surface, you’re rocking the plane iron as you work, practice and practice until you just keep that bevel smack on. Having a master boatbuilder for your father helps a lot in that respect, especially if his command of profanity is near-infinite. Sacrificing a little knuckle skin as your gauge helps a lot…run your non-dominant hand low on the blade/iron and against the stone while your dominant hand does the pushing and guiding.

And when you have it all set, well, it makes a particular sound that you want to remember. And that is how you tell when it needs sharpening again, 'cos it stops sounding like that. Amazing, how nice and thin a tissue of wood you can take away when it’s all working right.

Hope that’s of some use

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Richard,

What sort of spray adhesive is recommended for gluing the sandpaper to the glass?

Thanks

Bob

3M77 is your friend!

Aloha bgreen,

You really aren’t looking for a permenant bond of the paper to the glass. Mattafact, you want to make it as easy as possible to take the worn paper off and add new. You can actually just lightly mist the glass with water and the paper will suck down on the glass enough not to slide. Although we all use 3M77 for projects where a good bond is important, I would use a very low tack adhesive with a very light spray just enough to hold it to the glass. I have used a product sold by Bordens or Elmer’s…again very light mist and don’t let it spray on the abrasive side of the paper. Hope that helps.

Richard

The links in the original post seem to no longer be available. Anyone know how to locate this info? I really need to sharpen the blades on a few of my small block planes. Thanks

Rand, I also had trouble with the links and tracked the original posts down by doing a search for

PERFECT RAZOR EDGE ON HAND PLANES

which is the name of the original thread. Hope that helps.

I’s also like to thank RichardMc for taking the time to post the information. For anybody who hasn’t had the chance to see his work, check out his web site… truly amazing and inspirational craftsmanship.

http://www.mccormickfinewoodworking.com

sean

Some antiques for sale. Ranging from $20.00 to $300.00. No, its not my collection.

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RichardMc: Can you re post your 5 part series on sharpening?

It would be helpful to a lot of people. Sharp planes are key to a nice finish.

Thanks,

SD