I want to shape myself a noserider long board, but since I am a new shaper and pretty much have only ridden shortboards in the past I don’t realy know what to do. I have noticed that a lot of noseriders belly ot on the bottom and I was wondering what that does. Also I was wondering if the nose rocker should be gradual or more flipped up in the nose. Thanks Noah
You could download the PDF of the Clark blank catalog and take a look at the rocker measurement specs on the nose rider blanks.
noserider rocker should be super flat at the nose…i usually don’t go more than 3". then, a major kick in the tail…5"+. things like belly roll and very knifey, pinched out rails all help to suck the board into the wave…increasing stability and noseriding.
Noah- Caught you. Going to Swaylocks for a second opinion you are? Good for you. You already know what I think though- And you know where to find me in person… so I won’t ramble on. -Carl
noserider rocker should be super flat at the nose…
Why is that??
I personally like it that way. I have heard that if there is rocker that board doesn’t fit right in the wave and if it is more at an angle in the wave vertically you wont be that fast.
Quote:noserider rocker should be super flat at the nose…
Why is that??
If you are noseriding and have a lot of rocker then the curve creates suction and sucks the nose into the wave. Nose rocker will also create a plowing affect when you walk to the nose. It can also cause the tail to release from the wave.
4est nailed it
Any chance of a side on photo of one of your noseriders to see the rocker?
I feel it’s important to consider the dynamics of the design in relation to what you’re trying to accomplish. The concept of “forward trim”. Catch the wave and turn. The added tail rocker lets the long board crank through the turn. Stroll on up to the tip onto the straighter nose rocker and the thing should start moving, with the extra tail lift holding the tail in, and the nose planing. Once on the nose, control is essential. The lengthwise bottom shape will motor you down the line, but some roll through the bottom allows rail to rail looseness on the face so you can hang up there with the rest of the board following along behind you, without having to be constantly running back and forth to make trim adjustments. Dish concave makes for a smooth water flow, but those big ‘bowl’ concaves (with edge around the bowl) really catch the water (and air), slowing you down and letting you perch up there. Smooth rocker flow through the length is essential, but basically, design the board so you can stand on the nose with the rest of the board following along behind you. Also, big single fin is the first choice, to keep the board moving at the speed of the wave, not out-running it. Step-deck tankers are a slightly different theory,you can accomodate more nose kick, that will flatten out when you cross over the bump and stand on the end. Makes for more whippiness off the tail due to less thickness in the nose area. Aloha…RH
Ok so are y’all saying that the nose rocker acts as a sort of fulcrum, kinda like a teeter-totter or rocking horse?
In otherwords if there is to much rocker, as I walk toward the nose I am lifting the tail???
Yes.
After reading this post I have drawn up a rocker with:
3" nose
5" tail lift (late flip)
Apex of curve is centred.
Board length was drawn to scale at 10’ with 3 inch thickness.
Anyone got any comments on this?
Does it look right?
How could it be better?
Would people agree that a log with less curve will traverse the wave quicker than a board with more curve? Would you then suggest that for small beach breaks with shorter walls, a curvier board would be better than a flat board that would outrun the wall really quickly.
If so, do people design Noseriders specifically for breaks and lengths of walls?
wheres my pic?
Can anyone comment on my rocker for a noserider?
Soul Justice: How does this compare to the rocker you use?
deck rocker looks pretty close with the nose at the left and the tail on the right. and your bottom curve looks like a good start with the tail on the left and the nose on the right (minus the kick).
take a look at the stock rocker on the 9’9"W blank from Clark. from there, i order it +1/2" Nose last 18", +3/4" Tail last 21".
check out the profile views on some of these boards from Harbour…
…pay extra attention to how the boards are foiled as you approach the nose and tail. see how the extra little flip in the tail is more a factor of foam being removed from the bottom than actually raising up the deck? you want it to lock in, but you don’t want to disrupt the flow of water too much. remember…it’s all about the glide.
sorry the picture is small , if you zoom in some way you can notice the flip in the tail, 4 1/2 to 5 inch tail rocker is a good guess,check out the concave too, the high gloss finish on these boards will help reveal the slight roll or belly .
also as a good thing to point out . on the rocker side shot, is that both of those boards are 3 and 1/4 inch thick, notice how the bottom of the tail flip goes way past the top -deck of the “by the center of the board” what you are looking at is at least 4-5 inches of tail rocker for sure–