Off Topic - Kamehameha School

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I’m just continuing this post under a new name. This way more people can see what’s going on. I myself am 100% mainland whitie…Yet, I still think that the school should stay as it was. while i dont agree with discriminating, if that school caves in, then Hawaiian culture wil be lost. it is unfair to homogenize what is one of the last unique places in the united states. And, if by chance the school loses the fight, then it should change names as to not taint the legend. Ke aloha nô me ka mahalo kâua!

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while i dont agree with discriminating, if that school caves in, then Hawaiian culture wil be lost.

What makes this such a hot button issue is that this school is so unique. This is totally unlike historical “Indian schools”, where Native Americans were sent for Euro/Western educations mostly intended to forcibly assimilate them into mainstream cultures. Yes, in some sense there is a bit of discrimination in that one has to prove a certain percentage of actual Hawaiian bloodline to be considered for admission, but nobody is forced to go there…all public schools are also open to people of Hawaiian heritage. This is not a public school, and not some elite private school either.

I don’t know anybody who went there since the early 1970s, so I don’t know what the actual school is like anymore. There really is no reason for this situation to have developed, other than the typical legal monkeyshines. This court case is only one battle; the war is far from lost. I can’t imagine there is much support in Hawaii or elsewhere for this course of action. Hopefully Hawaiian residents of all backgrounds will accept help and support from other shores. It is very popular to say the native Hawaiians historically had everythingtofor good or ill result…good idea now to let others “give back”. People aren’t all bad; many are just looking for an opportunity to contribute.

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Okay this is for you Scott…

I apologise as it is a long read but you asked and itmay ne helpful for those who just read about the will but don’t understand the intent of the princess…

You can go to the KSBE website to learn more.

TOPIC 1: Who was this person Bernice Pauahi?

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Ke Ali’i Bernice Pauahi Paki Bishop (1831-1884)

Founder of Kamehameha Schools

Born December 19, 1831 in Honolulu, Hawaii to High Chiefs Abner Paki and Laura Konia, Pauahi Paki was the great-granddaughter of Kamehameha I, the warrior chief who united all the islands of Hawaii under his rule in 1810.

Educated by American Protestant missionaries, Pauahi Paki married a young American named Charles Reed Bishop from Glens Falls, New York. He was a widely respected and successful businessman who through banking, real estate, and other investments, became one of the wealthiest men in the kingdom.

When Pauahi Bishop was born in 1831, the native population numbered about 124,000. When she wrote her will in 1883, only 44,000 Hawaiians remained. From childhood, Pauahi witnessed the steady physical and spiritual demise of Native Hawaiians. Captain James Cook’s arrival in Hawai`i in 1778 introduced foreign influences that weakened the traditional order of Hawaiian life and culture. Diseases to which Hawaiians had no immunity caused tens of thousands of natives to die in epidemics.

Pauahi’s great compassion and enduring generosity still engender devotion to her memory today. She witnessed epidemics of foreign diseases that devastated the Hawaiian population. Her hanai mother, Kuhina Nui Kina`u, died of mumps in 1839 when Pauahi was seven years old. During the 1845 influenza epidemic, Pauahi’s teacher, Juliette Cooke, wrote that the young student chiefs, Moses, Alexander, Polly, Elizabeth & J.W. Kinau, “were taken with the influenza & have it very hard. No school now as the schoolroom is devoted to the sick.” All the chiefly scholars eventually recovered. However, Moses, Pauahi’s hanai brother and schoolmate, died in the measles and whooping cough epidemic in 1848 that “made sweeping work among the natives, and probably not less than one in ten will have died before it is over.”

Deeply troubled by the decline, Pauahi Bishop felt a lack of education helped precipitate that decrease. As the heir to most of the lands of high-ranking Kamehameha chiefs, Pauahi “felt responsible and accountable” for having so much. Her husband Charles Reed Bishop said, “Her heart was heavy when she saw the rapid diminution of the Hawaiian people going on decade after decade.” She hoped, he said, “That there would come a turning point, when, through enlightenment, the adoption of regular habits and Christian ways of living, the natives would not only hold their own in numbers, but would increase again like the people of other races.”

In addition, “She wished to establish an institution bearing the name Kamehameha, for which name she had high respect and preference, and a hospital or hospitals and schools for boys and girls were mentioned, and in consideration of the Queen’s Hospital already established…it was decided that schools would be preferred, not for boys and girls of pure or part aboriginal blood exclusively, but that class should have preference.” As a result, she left her estate, about nine percent of the total acreage of the Hawaiian kingdom, to found the Kamehameha Schools.

After Pauahi Bishop’s death on October 16, 1884, Charles Bishop, as president of the Bernice Pauahi Bishop Estate’s Board of Trustees, ensured that his wife’s wish was fulfilled. He generously provided his own funds for the construction of facilities and added some of his own properties to her estate. Until his death in 1915, he continued to guide her trustees in directions that reinforced Pauahi Bishop’s vision of a perpetual educational institution that would assist Native Hawaiians to become “good and industrious men and women.”

Pauahi Bishop’s legacy, the Kamehameha Schools, is the sole beneficiary of her trust. In addition to owning 9% of the private property in Hawai`i, the trust has real estate and financial investments nationwide. Revenue generated by these assets has enabled Kamehameha Schools to subsidize a significant portion of the cost of every student’s education, and to provide supplemental financial aid to students who cannot afford the nominal tuition and fees charged. It is the philosophy of KS that no student be denied admission or continued attendance at KS because of inability to pay school fees. Kamehameha’s policyon admissions is to give preference to applicants of Hawaiian ancestry to the extent permitted by law.

Today, Kamehameha Schools encompasses three K-12 campuses enrolling 5,100 students. It also operates 32 preschools serving about 1,400 children statewide and offers more than $15 million in college financial aid to Native Hawaiians annually.

TOPIC 2: What was her Legacy?

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The Legacy of a Princess

With extraordinary foresight, Princess Bernice Pauahi Bishop, great-granddaughter and last royal descendant of Kamehameha the Great founded Kamehameha Schools.

Princess Pauahi had witnessed the growing influence and domination of foreigners and the physical and social decline of her people. During her lifetime she had seen Hawai’i’s native population decline from 400,000 at the time of Hawai`i’s European discovery to fewer than 45,000 people in 1878. Believing that education was the only force which could reverse the hopelessness of her people, three years after the 1880 census, Princess Pauahi created her Will as an instrument for change; among the seventeen articles related to her wishes after her death, one article, the thirteenth, contained instructions to create and maintain The Kamehameha Schools.

The Thirteenth Article specified:

"I give, devise and bequeath all the rest, residue and remainder of my estate real and personal, wherever situated unto the trustees below named, their heirs and assigns forever, to hold upon the following trusts, namely:

“To erect and maintain in the Hawaiian Islands two schools, each for boarding and day scholars, one for boys and one for girls, to be known as, and called the Kamehameha Schools.”

“I direct my trustees to expend such amount as they may deem best, not to exceed however one-half of the funds which may come into their hands, in the purchase of suitable premises, the erection of school buildings and in furnishing the same with necessary and appropriate fixtures, furniture and apparatus.”

Four years later, in 1887, the Kamehameha Schools was dedicated. The Kamehameha School for Boys opened with thirty-seven students and four teachers.

Pauahi’s vision and her will … today, more than 100 years after her death, it continues to guide and influence the actions of Kamehameha Schools.

TOPIC 3: What’d her husband say regarding her intent?

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At the first Founder’s Day ceremony in December, 1889, Charles Reed Bishop, Pauahi’s husband and a member of Kamehameha’s first Board of Trustees, elaborated on her intentions.

“Bernice Pauahi Bishop, by founding the Kamehameha Schools, intended to establish institutions which should be of lasting benefit to her country…The founder of these schools was a true Hawaiian. She knew the advantages of education and well directed industry. Industrious and skillful herself, she respected those qualities in others. Her heart was heavy, when she saw the rapid diminution of the Hawaiian people going on decade after decade and felt it was largely the result of their ignorance…

The hope that there would come a turning point, when, through enlightenment, the adoption of regular habits and Christian ways of living, the natives would not only hold their numbers, but would increase again, like the people of other races, at time grew faint, and almost died out…

And so, in order that her own people might have the opportunity for fitting themselves for such competition, and be able to hold their own in a manly and friendly way, without asking any favors which they were not likely to receive, these schools were provided for, in which Hawaiians have the preference, and which she hoped they would value and take the advantages of as fully as possible.” (Handicraft, Vol. I, No. 1, January, 1889. Honolulu H.I.)

TOPIC 4: What is their mission and guiding principles today?

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Guiding Principles

• Kamehameha Schools will honor Pauahi’s sacred trust. Ke Ali‘i Pauahi established

this institution on the foundation of her Christian beliefs, cultural pride and love for her

Hawaiian people. The values of our Founder will guide our policies, programs, and

behavior.

• Kamehameha Schools will think inclusively as we serve people of Hawaiian

ancestry. Pauahi’s love and concern for the well-being of her people knew no bounds.

We will extend our geographic reach and serve a wider spectrum of educational needs.

• Kamehameha Schools will develop and operate our educational programs and

services as a system. Our educational initiatives will address the multiple learning

needs of students of all ages. Programs and resources will be integrated and managed to

achieve maximum benefits.

• Kamehameha Schools will establish alliances to address the educational needs of

people of Hawaiian ancestry. We recognize that more can be achieved by working

with others and will do so in a manner that respects and builds upon their unique and

profound strengths. We will partner with those who share our values and goals.

• Kamehameha Schools will regard our ‘ohana as a precious resource. We will treat

each other with respect, nurture expertise and talents, and recognize the contributions

of all.

• Kamehameha Schools will stand accountable for our words and deeds. All those

touched by Pauahi’s legacy have special responsibilities. We will maintain respectful,

two-way communication at all levels. Inclusive decision-making will be practiced.

Values Statement

Aloha Ke Akua

Nui ke aloha o Pauahi i ke Akua, kona po‘e Hawai‘i, ka ‘imi na‘auao ‘ana a me

ka ma¯lama ‘ana i na¯ mea pono o kona la¯ hui.

Ua ‘ike pono ‘o Pauahi i ka nui o kona waiwai ma ka honua a me ke kuleana i kau ‘ia

ma luna ona. ‘O ke¯ia ka mana‘o pono no ka ‘ohana Kamehameha e ho‘omau i ko Pauahi

kuleana me ka ha‘aha‘a a me ka hana pono.

‘Ihi‘ihi ke aloha o Pauahi i ke Akua a me Kona mea e piha ai.

Great was Pauahi’s love for God and the Hawaiian people, whom she served. Because she

valued the pursuit of knowledge, she believed that education would be the key to their wellbeing.

Pauahi was blessed with much worldly wealth and understood that this blessing was

accompanied by profound responsibility. Therefore, it is fitting for the Kamehameha Schools

‘ohana, called upon to carry her legacy forward, to humbly do so through good thoughts and

deeds that reflect the values of stewardship in her Will.

Kamehameha Schools is grounded in the Christian and Hawaiian values embraced by

Ke Ali‘i Pauahi.

Aloha, love and respect for the Lord, our natural world, and one another, is our foundation. ‘

Imi na‘auao, the quest for knowledge and enlightenment, is essential for an educational institution such as Kamehameha.

Ma¯ lama, caring for one another and all aspects of Pauahi’s legacy, will enable our institution to flourish. ‘

Ike pono urges us to

integrate our intellect and our intuition.

Kuleana denotes the responsibilities, which accompany our blessings.

Let us ho‘omau, persevere, with ha‘aha‘a, humility, in all that we do.

TOPIC 5: Anybody read the will?

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Will of Bernice Pauahi Bishop ------------------- Know all Men by these Presents, That I, Bernice Pauahi Bishop, the wife of Charles R. Bishop, of Honolulu, Island of Oahu, Hawaiian Islands, being of sound mind and memory, but conscious of the uncertainty of life, do make, publish and declare this my last Will and Testament in manner following, hereby revoking all former wills by me made: First. I give and bequeath unto my namesakes, E. Bernice Bishop Dunham, niece of my husband, now residing in San Joaquim County, California, Bernice Parke, daughter of W. C. Parke Esq., of Honolulu, Bernice Bishop Barnard, daughter of the late John E. Barnard Esq. Of Honolulu, Bernice Bates, daughter of. Mr. Dudley C. Bates, of San Francisco, California, Annie Pauahi Cleghorn of Honolulu, Lilah Bernice Wodehouse, daughter of Major J. H. Wodehouse, of Honolulu, and Pauahi Judd the daughter of Col. Charles H. Judd of Honolulu, the sum of Two hundred Dollars ($'200.) each. Second. I give and bequeath unto Mrs. William J. Allen, Mrs. Amoe Haalelea, Mrs. Antone Rosa, and Mrs. Nancy Ellis, the sum of Two Hundred Dollars ($200.) each. Third. I give and bequeath unto Mrs. Caroline Bush, widow of A .W. Bush, Mrs. Sarah Parmenter, wife of Gilbert Parmenter Mrs. Keomailani Taylor, wife of Mr. Wray Taylor, to their sole and separate use free from the control of their husbands, and to Mrs. Emma Barnard, widow of the late John E .Barnard Esq. the sum of Five hundred dollars ($500.) each. 15 Fourth. I give, devise and bequeath unto H. R. H. Liliuokalani, the wife of Gov. John O. Dominis, all of those tracts of land known as the “Ahupuaa of Lumahai,” situated on the Island of Kauai, and the “Ahupuaa of Kealia”, situated in South Kona Island of Hawaii; to have and to hold for and during the term of her natural life; and after her decease to my trustees upon the trusts below expressed. Fifth. I give and bequeath unto Kahakuakoi (w) and Kealohapauole, her husband, and to the survivor of them, the sum of Thirty Dollars ($30.) per month, (not $30. each) so long as either of them may live. And I also devise unto them and to their heirs of the body of either, the lot of land called “Mauna Kamala”, situated at Kapalama Honolulu; upon default of issue the same to go to my trustees upon the trusts below expressed. Sixth. I give and bequeath unto Mrs. Kapoli Kamakau, the sum of Forty Dollars ($40.) per month during her life; to my servant woman Kaia the sum of Thirty Dollars ($30.) per month during her life, and to Nakaahiki (w) the sum of Thirty Dollars ($30.) per month during her life. Seventh. I give, devise and bequeath unto Kapaa (k) the house-lot he now occupies, situated between Merchant and Queen Streets in Honolulu, to have and to hold for and during the term of his natural life; upon his decease to my trustees upon the trusts below expressed. Eighth. I give, devise and bequeath unto Auhea (w) the wife of Lokana (k) the house-lot situated in the corner of Richard and Queen Streets, now occupied by G. W. Macfarlane & Co; to have and to hold for and during the term of her natural life; upon her decease to my trustees upon the trusts below expressed. Ninth. I give, devise and bequeath unto my husband, Charles R. Bishop, all of the various tracts and parcels of land situated upon the Island of Molokai, comprising the 16 “Molokai Ranch”, and all of the live-stock and personal property thereon; being the same premises now under the care of R. W. Myer Esq.; and also all of the real property wherever situated, inherited by me from my parents, and also all of that devised to me by my aunt Akahi, except the two lands above devised to H. R. H. Liliuokalani for her life; and also all of my lands at Waikiki, Oahu, situated makai of the government main road leading to Kapiolani Park; to have and to hold together with all tenements, hereditaments, rights, privileges and appurtenances to the same appertaining, for and during the term of his natural life; and upon his decease to my trustees upon the trusts below expressed. Tenth. I give, devise and bequeath unto Her Majesty Emma Kaleleonalani, Queen Dowager, as a token of my good will, all of the premises situated upon Emma Street in said Honolulu, known as “Kaakopua,” lately the residence of my cousin Keelikolani; to have and to hold with the appurtenances for and during the term of her natural life; and upon her decease to my trustees upon the trusts below expressed. Eleventh. I give and bequeath the sum of Five thou- sand Dollars ($5000.) to be expended by my executors in repairs upon Kawaiahao Church building in Honolulu, or in improvements upon the same. Twelfth. I give and bequeath the sum of Five thousand Dollars ($'5000.) to be expended by my executors for the benefit of the Kawaiahao Family School for Girls (now under charge of Miss Norton) to be expended for additions either to the grounds, buildings or both. Thirteenth. I give, devise and bequeath all of the rest, residue and remainder of my estate real and personal, wherever situated unto the trustees below named, their heirs and assigns forever, to hold upon the following trusts, namely: to erect and maintain in the Hawaiian Islands two schools, each for boarding and day scholars, one for boys and one for girls, to be known as, and called the Kamehameha Schools. I direct my trustees to expend such amount as they may deem best, not to exceed however one-half of the fund which may come into their hands, in the purchase of suitable premises, the erection of school buildings, and in furnishing the same with the necessary and appropriate fixtures furniture and apparatus. I direct my trustees to invest the remainder of my estate in such manner as they may think best, and to expend the annual income in the maintenance of said schools; meaning thereby the salaries of teachers, the repairing buildings and other incidental expenses; and to devote a portion of each years income to the support and education of orphans, and others in indigent circumstances, giving the preference to Hawaiians of pure or part aboriginal blood; the proportion in which said annual income is to be divided among the various objects above mentioned to be determined solely by my said trustees they to have full discretion. I desire my trustees to provide first and chiefly a good education in the common English branches, and also instruction in morals and in such useful knowledge as may tend to make good and industrious men and women; and I desire instruction in the higher branches to be subsidiary to the foregoing objects. For the purposes aforesaid I grant unto my said trustees full power to lease or sell any portion of my real estate, and to reinvest the proceeds and the balance of my estate in real estate, or in such other manner as to my said trustees may seem best. I also give unto my said trustees full power to make all such rules and regulations as they may deem necessary for the government of said schools and to regulate the admission of pupils, and the same to alter, amend and publish upon a vote of a majority of said trustees. I also direct that my said trustees shall annually make a full and complete report of all receipts and expenditures, and of the condition of said schools to the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, or other highest judicial officer in this country; and shall also file before him annually an inventory of the property in their hands and how invested, and to publish the same in some newspaper published in said Honolulu; I also direct my said trustees to keep said school buildings insured in good companies, and in case of loss to expend the amounts recovered in replacing or repairing said buildings. I also direct that the teachers of said schools shall forever be persons of the Protestant religion, but I do not intend that the choice should be restricted to persons of any particular sect of Protestants. Fourteenth. I appoint my husband Charles R. Bishop, Samuel M. Damon, Charles M. Hyde, Charles M. Cooke, and William O. Smith, all of Honolulu, to be my trustees to carry into effect the trusts above specified. I direct that a majority of my said trustees may act in all cases and may convey real estate and perform all of the duties and powers hereby conferred; but three of them at least must join in all acts. I further direct that the number of my said trustees shall be kept at five; and that vacancies shall be filled by the choice of a majority of the Justices of the Supreme Court, the selection to be made from persons of the Protestant religion. Fifteenth. In addition to the above devise to Queen Emma, I also give, devise and bequeath to her (said Emma Kaleleonalani Queen Dowager (sic) the Fish-pond in Kawaa, Honolulu near Oahu Prison, called “Kawa”, for and during the term of her natural life; and after her decease to my trustees upon the trusts aforesaid. Sixteenth. In addition to the above devise to my husband, I also give and bequeath to him, said Charles R. Bishop all of my personal property of every description, including cattle at Molokai; to have and to hold to him, his executors, administrators and assigns forever. Seventeenth. I hereby nominate and appoint my husband Charles R. Bishop and Samuel M. Damon, executors of this my will. 19 In witness whereof I, said Bernice Pauahi Bishop, have hereunto set my hand and seal this thirty. first day of October A. D. Eighteen hundred and eighty-three. BERNICE P. BISHOP (SEAL) The foregoing instrument, written on eleven pages, was signed, sealed, published and declared by said Bernice Pauahi Bishop, as and for her last will and testament in our presence, who at her request, in her presence, and in the presence of each other, have hereunto set our names as witnesses thereto, this 31st day of October A. D. 1883. F. W. MACFARLANE FRANCIS M. HATCH

In reading and re-reading the above will I still can’t find the reference that indicates the schools be provided to all the residents of hawaii?? Where is that language? Can someone point it out? or is it just someone’s interpretation of what the will said someone like the appelate court?

Personal Commentary (no need to pay attention)…

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how does this one john doe get in over all the other non-hawaiians that applied just because he sued?

Should he go back and stand in line and be judged against all the other non-hawaiians that applied to see if he is the one special non-hawaiian who gets in above all the others? I don’t understand this logic. If you win a case regarding principles how do you win a prize since it’s just a matter of ethics and legalities that’s being argued not that you were the best of the non-hawaiians and only didn’t get in because of race? I don’t see that argument being stated in the appelate writeup… That would require another lawsuit and proof that this person was the top dog non-hawaiian who applied… I don’t see anyone proving this yet… Just because you pass the test doesn’t mean you get in cause the rest of the decision is purely subjective, just ask all the hawaiian kids who didn’t make it because someone didn’t like them or how they acted when interviewed… The academic requirement is just a start the rest is subjective. Kind of like applying for that private upscale apartment building in manhattan, you have to “fit in” to get past the review committee. This process is well known to all the applicants… So if they don’t like you they don’t have to accept you…

Funny but true Story:

took the test for 7th grade when I was in 5th grade for practice… I passed but was refused entry cause I still needed to attend 6th grade(Was this descriminatory to my capabilities?). Took it the next year and passed again and got in. That summer 5 of us from Ewa Beach went to summer school there thinking it would help us pass the test and get in. My best surf buddy’s dad drove us 20 miles to and from school everyday. He was a handsome and strapping lad(the guy who taught me how to surf) who became a really good surfer and is now Dave Parmenter’s glasser… But guess what? All of us with the exception of him got in breaking his heart and even worse his parents heart. So off he went to Campbell High and we went off to board on campus on the hill(yes, Ewa Beach was considered the boondocks then). It was so sad to see that happen, but it does all the time. My neighbor tried to get in for years with no success, finally got sent to be adopted by his grandma on Kauai and got in through the Kauai quota system. Ended up to be a proball player for the Seattle Seahawks. Also ended up with a different last name because he was hanai’s(adopted) just to get into the school. So being native is not an open ticket to getting accepted.

I guess what the school was trying to do here was so bad, so racist in nature that it needed to be destroyed…

How someone not geneologically of Hawaiian ancestry could read the story behind the school and somehow interpret that it was for them I have a very hard time understanding.

It’s true there’s alot of spoiled brats who end up there, but that’s no different at any of the other private schools here like Punahou, Iolani, or St Louis in fact some of the smaller schools are even worse like Le Jardin or others where only the CEO’s kids get to go…

It’s also true that alot of needy folk have been left out from the school in the past.

But if you go and read the schools strategic plan and the bios of the new Trustees and CEO you’ll realize that there’s tremendous change for the better going on… The disaster of having to realign the entire process maybe even shut down the school as we know it will put all these new and positive programs in jeaprody by diverting resources to saving the school. And yes there’s enough trust money to tie this up in court for years and years.

Finally for those of you that don’t know, the trust owned 9% of all the land in the state places like Pearl Harbor or the Airport and alot of other public areas where both the State and the Federal government hasn’t paid a single days of rent to the Trusts in hundreds of years. The estate has also been forced by the city to sell off its land under a lot of homes and condos in Kahala and Hawaii Kai (where the rich folks live) on oahu because the home owners did want to pay the increases on their expiring 50 year leases rates that were originally set in the 20’s-30’s. It’s these monies that are supposed to fund the educational mandates of the trust monies that now must come from wall street investments versus land ownership…

The school can give up it’s tax exempt status and then turn around and raise all the fees and leases on all it’s land holdings… But you know how that will go down, next they force the Estate to sell all it’s lands so they can no longer collect leases from those living on their lands… A strange and sad ending for sure…

But back to the princess…

A classic love story… The most beautiful polynesian princess who falls madly in love with a tall geeky looking caucasian bookworm from america against her family’s wishes. Her ugly but land rich cousin (Ruth) realizing that she’ll never find someone to marry her bequeaths all her inheritance to Pauahi when she passes. Both Pauahi and Charles-Reed fall deeply in love but are unable to children of their own and instead somewhat adopt the native keiki of hawaii as their own their responsibility. The princess dies young and her heart broken but highly successful husband makes sure her wishes comes true before he leaves and returns back to america to run away from his pain… The kind of stuff they make movies of…

You can see why so many Hawaiians hold her dear in their hearts… She like Rell, was the essence of aloha…

You can stay in touch through www.KSBE.edu

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“That there would come a turning point, when, through enlightenment, the adoption of regular habits and ‘Christian’ ways of living…”

Aye, there’s the rub, the requirement to live life by someone else’s definition of a good human being, to be treated as a child who does not know his own values and worthiness. It’s condescending to be treated as a spiritual inferior. It’s bound to backfire every time. Per my post in your original thread, maybe this latest event is prophetic, a necessary step toward rediscovery. The alteration of one institution cannot destroy an essential spirit.

Again, with respect.

Tiktokman

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Princess Bernice Pauahi Bishop embraced Christian ways. She was also last in bloodline directly related to King Kamehameha I, and it is her Will that was examined. She said, “people of all races.” And that is precisely why the 9th Circuit Court ruled against Kamehameha Schools. Evidently, they did not heed the Princess’s wishes and instead, made up their own rules. The ruling will stand.

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Howzit 220, But the trustees changed it so the school would be for hawaiians only. I am very pro hawaiian culture and this is just another example of taking away from the Hawaiians. It took over 100 years for the US gov. to finally apologize for taking Hawaii away from the Hawaiians. Aloha,Kokua

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Sorry Kokua, but the Kamehameha Trustees had no legal basis for changing the Will of the Princess. The Princess wanted “all nationalities.” Hence the 9th U.S. Circuit Court’s decision. Now I hear that the Kamehameha Trustees will NOT admit the boy, John Doe, no matter what. If that happens, the boy will be escorted by police and military force, and be admitted that way. Shades of the deep south, don’t you think? It’s a very sticky situation. The Trustees need to obey the law.

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“Princess Bernice Pauahi Bishop Loved the Lord” The Good values she embraced were those of the Bible and of the Lord, Jesus Christ AKA God, Creator of all.

Not sure how you measure good.

I read your original post also. According to your theology hitler, stalin, hussein were all just really nice people cuz they knew their self-worth and had their own value system. Many roads to heaven right???

The whole essence of her belief system that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior. Who’s treating who as a spiritual inferior. Jesus said it was so and the Princess believed it, and that’s the rub!

It’s not that your spiritual belief system is inferior, but more like flat out wrong according to who Princess Bernice Pauahi Bishop believed in. Your beef is with Jesus, God, Creator of all.

oh, yeah this is a surfing site… So how was surf today?

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Howzit 220, But the trustees changed it so the school would be for hawaiians only. I am very pro hawaiian culture and this is just another example of taking away from the Hawaiians. It took over 100 years for the US gov. to finally apologize for taking Hawaii away from the Hawaiians. Aloha,Kokua

I agree with kokua, this was one of the last things that hawaiians had, first our culture and language was taken away by missionaries, then our country, now one of the last things a school. Why are there people out there who do not see that hawaiians are the native people of hawaii, just as native americans are the native people of america, and should be given all the same rights. Is it that the hawaii is just to valuable as a place for tourist or is it just to valuable as a military location or is it just ignorance.

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Howzit 220, But the trustees changed it so the school would be for hawaiians only. I am very pro hawaiian culture and this is just another example of taking away from the Hawaiians. It took over 100 years for the US gov. to finally apologize for taking Hawaii away from the Hawaiians. Aloha,Kokua

I agree with kokua, this was one of the last things that hawaiians had, first our culture and language was taken away by missionaries, then our country, now one of the last things a school. Why are there people out there who do not see that hawaiians are the native people of hawaii, just as native americans are the native people of america, and should be given all the same rights. Is it that the hawaii is just to valuable as a place for tourist or is it just to valuable as a military location or is it just ignorance.

This is about the Kamehameha Schools Trustees changing the will of Princess Bernice Pauahi Bishop’s will. She had class as a chief and philanthropist, the great-granddaughter and last direct heir of King Kamehameha I.

A quote from the Ninth Circuit’s opinion (footnote 2):

Similarly, in a February 11, 1897 letter, Charles Bishop noted: “There is nothing in the will of Mrs. Bishop excluding white boys or girls from the Schools…” In a February 20, 1901 letter he further stated: “According to the reading of Clause 13 on Page 8 of the Will as published, the preference to Hawaiians of pure or part aboriginal blood, applies only to education of orphans and others in indigent circumstances.”

While this racial preference is expressly listed as a criterion for the administration of estate resources charitably directed to orphans and indigents, the Will is notably devoid of any mention of race as a criterion for admission into the Kamehameha Schools. As the Schools’ 1885 Prospectus observed: “The noble minded Hawaiian chiefess who endowed the Kamehameha Schools, put no limitations of race or condition on her general bequest. Instruction will be given only in English language, but The Schools will be opened to all nationalities.”

So what you have to do is look at the facts and ignore your off-the-cuff emotional replies. There’s a reason this all happened and it can be traced directly to the Kamehameha Schools Trustees for changing the will of the Princess. It has nothing to do with the US taking anything from Hawaii. If the great-great grandaughter and last direct heir to Kamehameha I wanted the school to be opened to all races, shouldn’t her wishes be followed? Her Will states it and following letters from her husband. Evidently, the Trustees didn’t follow her wishes.

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Saw Edgy Lee’s documentary “Papakolea” on public TV last night…

It made me cry watching it.

For those of you here in Hawaii you should see when it’s back on again

Pretty timely with what’s going.

Tomorrow will be an interesting day, I hope it makes the national news.

Everyone can say what they want but unless you’re of Hawaiian ancestry I thinks it’s hard to understand what we’re feeling… More like a loss of hope, of a great sadness than of anger. All we can do is pray for the almighty’s guidance and mercy. But I wonder what Duke would feel or say about all this or Eddie, or Rell, or Brudda Iz.

I think if you did something like create the Kamehameha schools as a result of seeing your people disintergrate from 124,000 to 44,000 (2/3’s) in a span of just 50 years, you wouldn’t be doing it to benefit all the children. Or could it be that pretty much all the children at the time were either hawaiian or part hawaiian or at least considered Hawaiian by the royals… But also I’m pretty sure not everyone here in Hawaii at the time was considered “Hawaiian” by the royals. You either bought your way in, married your way in, or were of some important value to them to be accepted and proclaimed to be Hawaiian. Yes like CMP said it was a very heavily caste society one of the worse in all of polynesia and copying the Royalty system they saw in Europe didn’t help either…

So I think “all the children” is a bad take… All the children considered Hawaiian would be better.

And yes even today there are many non-hawaiians who live their lives far more “hawaiian” than many of the breast thumping, beer drinking, unemployed, tatooed kanaka maoli we see making a rucus in the news. People like CMP and I’m sure many others here. And Ambrose you kind of sound hawaian but I don’t understand you most of the time…

Many of us struggle everyday to lead a good life to contibute to our society and to honor the country we are a part of hoping that others will understand who we are just like our good Senator Akaka. I fear that we may soon find that it was all for naught that our demise as a nation as a culture was doomed from day one.

But in the true native hawaiian way, tomorrow many of us will gather, we will pray, we will sing the songs that honor those past, and we will cry with broken hearts knowing that soon we may be no more but a paragraph in a page in someone’s history book in mid-america…I hope some of you will show support for the mission and join us. If not say a prayer tomorrow as you sit in the lineup that something good comes out of all this.

Aloha No

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There’s a reason this all happened and it can be traced directly to the Kamehameha Schools Trustees for changing the will of the Princess. It has nothing to do with the US taking anything from Hawaii. If the great-great grandaughter and last direct heir to Kamehameha I wanted the school to be opened to all races, shouldn’t her wishes be followed? Her Will states it and following letters from her husband. Evidently, the Trustees didn’t follow her wishes.

My late father spent his career in banking. Due to that he saw all kinds of chaos resulting from wills, bequests, and trusts. He developed his own rule of thumb: “You can’t rule from the grave”.

The good Princess could not have conceived of the Hawaii of today…probably not even the Hawaii of 20-30 years ago. Perhap the trustees of Kam High tried to put themselves into her shoes as if she were here today. What would her wishes have been then? Speculation, it is true, but also responsibly trying to administer her wishes and spirit as well as the letter of an old document. One could make a snap judgement that she would not have wanted to see condos and McMansions crawling all over Diamond Head. One could just as easily make a snap judgement that under current/recent circumstances she might want more attention and opportunity for native sons and daughters.

We aren’t talking the fairly recent monkeyshines of the Bishop Trust administrators and their shocking lifestyles on the Trusts dime…I hope. This isn’t to my knowledge a criminal thing, but to draw a parallel when dealing with matter of law, it isn’t the “legal system”, it’s the “justice system”.

And, uh, if the haole kid who supposedly wants to go there does get in…maybe skip that last day of the school year, ja?

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Funny phrases 101… anyone get them?

E ke kuene, ua milimili 'e 'ia neia mikana!

He kanapapiki mahalo 'ole keia mea inu Merlot ia’u

Ua pili anei keia 'ohune i ke komo hawele li a me ka holo wawae ma kahakai?

A 'o ia, he makana maika’i loa keia; aka, nau no e ho’ohemo i ka wahi pepa ma luna o ka noho lua la, ke 'olu’olu.

(just trying to lighten the mood)

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Oneula, my heart goes out to you. I’m understanding more about why we’ve led parallel lives…

I’m 1/4 Blackfeet. My grandmother was adopted by a German family moving west who had all sons. She was taken off the res’ at about age 3 and lost just about all contact with her people. Then her family moved north and became Canadian Blackfeet instead of Montana.

She died at 59 of smoking, drinking, and a lifelong broken heart from her separation. Even though she graduated from Cal, she never had a job or even a driver’s license. My uncle, my dad’s youngest brother who was handicapped and lived with his mom his whole life, died 6 months later at age 31, also of a broken heart. I’m not a very spiritual guy but I know what I see when I see it. I was 12 when they went.

I’m sure that maintaining a little contact with her history would have made for a longer & happier life. My dad & Aunt took us up to the res’ a few times after that just to make sure we understood both the depth of the culture and the significance of our opportunities. My dad’s dad was born in San Francisco, but his dad was born in Australia and that man’s dad was an English convict who’d decided to stay & help settle. My mom’s whole family is Vikings. Everyone’s ocean/island/coastal people - except that part of us that’s Plains Indian.

I don’t go to church. I don’t much care for organized religion. But I know where I find my God - staring out to sea, on a mountain top, deep in a forest, or even out on the plains. Or watching my kids smile.

I’m up in the woods of Washington State right now, on the water & among the firs & cedars with my in-laws. They’re Vikings too. Thanks to fate, I married another ocean family. My brother-in-law is here too, with his Yupic Eskimo wife & their kids. They live in Alaska & have a strong connection to their native culture, even speaking the language & hunting seals, etc.

People who didn’t have a culture to lose touch with, can’t possibly understand what its like to suffer that loss. And moving from a town in Germany or Ireland or the Midwest to a coastal city in modern America isn’t the same - its a cultural parallel, not a loss. I’ve seen it first hand - I’ve seen it slowly kill members of my family to be separated.

You fight that good fight wherever you can. My thoughts are with you.

Ben

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CMP, you surprise me. Religions are exclusionary, not inclusionary. According to some religions, no one who adheres to any other religion can get into heaven, even if they convert. Spirituality is universal, all souls welcome. There is a difference, my friend. Not all Hawaiians are Christians.

“I am unworthy.”

Wayne and Garth, Wayne’s World.

Whose world is it, anyway?

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Hey no worries. The world has mocked Christ and will do so until the last days.

The Princess believed in Christ, Kamahamaha Schools are Christian shools. They have prayer before the school day starts. You don’t need to be a Christian to attend. Don’t worry, some day one will complain and a legal fight will break out over that also.

According to the Princess and her spiritual beliefs, she would say you are soooo very wrong. According to Bill Barnfield and his spiritual beliefs, he would also say you are wrong. So ask Bill, you seem to respect him.

“spirituality is universal and all sould are welcome” says who???

I would tell you what Jesus said about only one road to heaven, but you it would be too exclusionary to you. You’re talking religion and the Princess was talking about a RELATIONHSIP with the Lord she loved. Now there’s the difference my friend. You can be religious/spiritual and have no relationship with Christ. I am glad I don’t beleive in “some religions” cuz they sound like lies to me.

BTW, according to what the Pricess believed in the Bible we all are unworthy. Christ died for all to include wayne and garth and you and me. Party on dude.

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Umm, pardon my ignorance but what is the “Kamehameha School” exactly?

I read their website and vision. It seems that their mission is: “to fulfill Pauahi’s desire to create educational opportunities in perpetuity to improve the capability and well-being of people of Hawaiian ancestry”

Do they teach Hawaiian culture at this school? It doesn’t say so in their mission. But from what I’ve inferred from some of the posts, it seems that this is one of the last or few places for children to experience/learn traditional Hawaiian culture.

I think that the best way to save a dying culture is to pass it on to future generations. The more people that practice a culture, the more it’s chances of being passed down to future generations.

I empathize with those that feel that non-hawaiians trying to get into a previously “hawaiian-only” school is threatening their culture, but I would be more afraid if no one wanted to go to that school and learn about becoming Hawaiian.

Rio

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Oneula … i watched it last nite , the kids thought i was freakin out when i started to cry . Ill be there tomorrow for sure with my 2 brothers who attended kamehameha . Its funny though we havent been out together in like 10 yrs , im a public school boy but i will be there with them hand in hand .

Aloha my bruddah ,

Kala

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15,000 marched in a sea of red today from Iolani palace to the grave site including Gov Lingle and Lt Gov Aiona. Tears and strength prevailed among the Hawaiian and Hawaiians-at-Heart non-hawaiians. Thousands more marched and protested on the Big Island, Kauai, Maui and even Molokai. From the oldest Kupuna to the youngest Keiki the sleeping giant of the silent majority has awoken.

It’s very obvious the decision has struck a deep cord in the hawaiian soul. Many people felt that they were personally hurt by the decision and some of the reaction afterwards…If there’s anything to unite and mobilize a significant portion of the islands population it will be this one issue. Everyone especially the old are very very hurt…

No matter what happens it’s obvious that this issue so core to the hawaiian people will never go away.

You’d be proud of them(us) all

I’m sure our beloved Princess was…

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Howzit oneula, Saw the pictures in the Garden Island Paper this morning, good going for you all. They also had a picture of Mina Morita and Ezra Kanoho who are Kauai state Reps. This is good to see that even the politicals are involved, I know that Mina went to Kam School and she is like family and I’m her oldest daughters god father. Since they don’t say who the kid trying to get in to Kam is,I’m wondering if it’e the same kid from Kauai that started the whole mess. Aloha,Kokua