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i will say klaus makes really good boards of all types and i would say if you have an old favorite board that you want duplicated-i’d have klaus do it…
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'nuff said.
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after 1st viewing 1 CA DAY every stoked surfer wanted to get a board just like Jimmy Gamboa was riding on that killer off shore day in his segment of the movie. what the hell was that thing? who shaped it? who is Greg Liddle? he’s the marked innovator of the “modified transitional displacement hull”. the man that made the original Death Board for Steve Krajewski that Kirk Putnam had Klaus Jones replicate for Jimmy to ride during the filming of the flick. here’s a question: who knew that board wasn’t shaped by Liddle? i didn’t and you probably didn’t either. the Surfer’s Journal overlooked that micro detail somehow - hmmm, thanks Ed. Klaus has been faulted for being a plagiarist ? a copyist ? how can that be anything but a compliment given the accomplished “xerox” goal? you can’t have it both ways, ask a man to do somethimg then ostracize him for a job too well done. how many shapers could pull that off? it’s near impossible to keep up with Greg Liddle when it comes to shaping one of his surfboards, he is truly an original who’s ingenuity and craftsmanship surpass our written language’s capacity to express the joy of glide. keeping up with Mr Jones isn’t easy at all either, he’s no slouch and that’s why KP asked him to do the duping. if you want a board made by Klaus Jones, first you have to find him. it seems he gets buried at every turn just a like the rails on Jimmy’s Stub in 1 CA DAY
WHY??? Klaus can’t say
plagiarism
noun
the practice of taking someone else’s work or ideas and passing them off as one’s own
JUDAS PRIEST ! this is a bogus notion in the construction (and reconstruction) of custom surfcraft - how many thrusters are surfed on every day? how pissed is Simon Anderson about it?
unlike a typical Greg Liddle pointbreaker, Klaus’ boards are for fit kids like the ones in high school, like he and KP were together back in the day. if GL’s new shapes are 6’ or below with wide tails we’ll all ponder
Q: “who’s copying who NOW?” - but that’s a loaded question! the question should go “who’s influenced who?”
A: surfers’ desires have influenced shapers as much as one shaper has influenced another. that’s exactly how it should be with any custom order and how it was when Greg started this with Steve. it’s how it was with Alex Kopps when he pulled out that 1/2 shaped “magic carpet” blank just before Klaus Jones foiled the fuck out of it in an alley without proper lighting, without a planer, on sawhorses, and in front of a small crowd!
i can’t wait to surf my Klaus Jones Siglo! i have a feeling it’s to going to be as fun as any other board i’ve ever ridden
Muchas Gracias y Vaya con Dios Swaylock’s!
hookookachoo
fueling the drama.
Just ride what you want the way you want and don’t get too bent about it. It ain’t that big of a deal.
We should let this disagreement finally rest.
Back to the theme:
This stick is #236 from 1968-69. Has a WAVESet fin box. It also has that fiberglass textured deck that was being tried at the time. The stringer is redwood 1/8" with outside red color glue lines. Not so knifey rails. Definitely an “in trasitional” cro-magnon in evolution board.
Dimensions 7’4" 18 x 22 x 14 (wide point +8) 3 1/8 thick, with a fairly flat rocker.
Looks a lot like some of the boards in the Six Feet to Fit footage.
I’ve repaired it and have ridden it with a repro fin, not enough fin snap. I’ve modified a 15" box to fit the WAVESet, I might finally get it out sometime this spring.
Is a chined fun shape (ie Walden Magic Model, sub 8 foot) essentially a hull? Should they be ridden as singles with a long flex fin as opposed to the widow maker setup that comes with em?
I’ll bite.
No.
The specific feature of a “hull” is the bottom shape. Of course in nautical terms the bottom of a boat is a hull.
“hull” is short for “transitional volume displacement hull” or “displacement hull”.
The features of these bottoms are very unique to the “hulls”.
A flex fin might make your board interesting, your board is just too different.
An attempt to keep this thread on track .Pic enclosed of my 7’10 Greg made me.
Whoops
hoprfully this gets us back on track…miles, hang in there man.
Sorry, all you purists, but today, I did the unthinkable.
Session 1: I surfed my 6’6 Anderson Pescado with a bonzer set-up in some fast overhead peaky rights. Nice! Holds better than the standard red-x thruster platform that it came with. I used a three-fin Red-X set-up: 2 small side bites and a 6.5 center that Kirk hooked me up with. I gotta give him credit- it was his idea. Very interesting. More of a stiffer single fin feel. Definitely not a bonzer feel. It’s only 3 fins, and the fin placement does not meet true bonzer specifications, but I got to say, it was a trip. I’m gonna give it another go tomorrow, and report back.
Session 2: surfed my 6’0 Pescado in some fast hot dogging rights. Futures tri-fin platform The board is very thin and bladed. I liked it, but I think it’s not fast as the 6’6. It’s missing the glide from lack of length.
OK this was an experiment that worked fairly well.
Clark Foam 6’2"C Blank, template from my father’s 8’ Liddle.
6’2" 17"x 22"x 14"x 2 7/8" It was called a Flying Saucer.
After my test pilot ran it through the paces at a point break and a nasty beach break for a year, these twins got their hands on it and took it to the snow to try to snow surf it. When I got it back, boy was it F*#@^d up!
i’ll say it got worked!(just like the kp board i currently have!!)nice looking board mcmalibu…(dings and all)
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i’ll say it got worked!(just like the kp board i currently have!!)
LOL!
Hey anybody notice clicking on the arrow doesn’t get you to the last post of the thread anymore? I guess oncet a thread gets up to 40 pages, the limitations of the technicals sets in.
Since dry season started early Jan, today is the first time i rode my PBer on rights… and first time i’ve ever surfed rights since i put on the tailbead… Had her out on a table-rock reef/point setup, very D-T-L. About a foot to 2ft overhead.
When i rode her backhand last week i couldnt’ tell any difference, but i’d only surfed it on left once before, and on a juicier reef.
today tho, i could push her off the top and she wouldn’t hangup… and I could rip cutbacks right around without bogging. The PBer performed super well today. Maybe going vert on the PBer is a no go… but you can definately rip one off the top on her… no sluggishness there.
It’s simple: if you surf longer waves, and love loads of speed, and like to bank hard and carve … a hull. If you want to get air, pivot and whip turns off the bottom/top, do yoga-like contortions, and do tail slides … it just ain’t for you…
Hey anybody notice clicking on the arrow doesn’t get you to the last post of the thread anymore? I guess oncet a thread gets up to 40 pages, the limitations of the technicals sets in.[i]
Yes. Happens to me too now.
couple of pix:
-7’11.5" liddle smoothie(s)
-7’2"? cut down da cat/da bull
6’4" Fishull as soon as I get the camera to work. I’m an analog guy living in a digital world…
So here are those pics of steiny’s liddle, which I might add is a real blast to ride! But I think I said that last time…
8’3.5" 17 x 22.5 x 14.75 x 2 11/16
I really like the outline on that one. Where abouts did you place the widest point if you don’t mind me asking? From the photo it looks a little behind the mathematical centre to me.
Leev – is that fish hull a singlefin?