ok OAF
THEN YOU BEING THE GREAT GURU OF ASIAN BOARD CONSTRUCTION
YOU MAY WELL TELL THIS YOUNG FELLOW WHY HE HAS THE DE LAMS
DARKER THAN DARK
IS SILLY THE GOAT
OR IS THE GOAT SILLY
OR IS SILLY JMPIN ON A SURFTECH
The more complicated you make it, the more things there are to go wrong. Entropy will always rear its ugly head. Welcome to the future. (snicker) Did you want your wallet back? Sorry, its empty now. Enjoy your bill of goods. Would you like it framed for a small fee?
Silly is right firewire should have this figured out by now.You got to chill Otay.Have a nice day.
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ok OAF
THEN YOU BEING THE GREAT GURU OF ASIAN BOARD CONSTRUCTION
YOU MAY WELL TELL THIS YOUNG FELLOW WHY HE HAS THE DE LAMS
DARKER THAN DARK
DS,
Delams are due to failure of adhesion between the foam and composite layers of the surfboard. This can be caused by faulty construction or extreme abuse of the owner beyond the capabilities of the board.
The good news is when you purchase a product from a reputable company/builder they take care of you. Is not a trade for a new board acceptable? What custom shaper stands by their product like that?
What I can’t believe if silly’s first 25 were delams, did he replace or fix each one he sold of that batch. Hard to make a living fixing the poor consturction. I am glad his build times are down cuz he needs the spare time to make the repairs.
The heat pressure construction process of surftech will make delams far and few between. The quality control process of serftech is such that any delam would be that of inproper use by the owner.
Hope this answers your question DTD
Otay,
offwhiter than offwhite
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Silly is right firewire should have this figured out by now.You got to chill Otay.Have a nice day.
A fw purchased in Dec 2007 in the uk could be many months and maybe more than a year old from build date. It could have been touched by Mr Burger himself(moment of silence). The serial number will tell the story. A single delam story on sways means all FW suck??? His self reported use/abuse history would make any local shaper tell him to piss off on the refund. FW won’t do that, they have too much class for that.
Whatever silly’s lable is heads up for number 2 through 25. Word on the street is they really peel on the peeling waves.
Why so cross-sufer?
Hope I was of help in answering your concerns
Otay
Otay
I’ve made 2 composite boards one bamboo skin and one with balsa skin following the pack in Sways composite construction technique. I used insulation foam from a coolroom because I got it for free and had fun building something different. Would like to make more in that style from time to time but one thing puts me off … vents. I’ve had surftech’s before as part of my quiver and never had a problem with delams , denting etc and they have no vents. So what gives… why are firewires vented don’t they have similar construction basics? Is it the heat molding that Surftech use that you alluded to that makes the difference ?
Please tell all Surftech secrets so I can make a board without a vent.
Cheers
Mooneemick
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Silly, you are saying your first 25 boards delamed??? WTF, I thought your first board was the tits and not delamed tits up!
I love the part about team riders. Now does team riders mean they compete professionally in surfing or you gave them a board??? Can I be a team rider and I you can refer to me as “my team/crew in Hawaii”.
No vent on my board please. My ventless surftech never delamed. Surftech has repair care for street people, single mums, children and the ederly.
the "repairicade and repairicare program is funded by a 5% fee added to all surftechs except in NZ where the price is double because everyone there qualifys for the program.
no man ive had a few delams on some later boards
thats it
none of the early ones delammed
i said i figured it out how to build them so they dont delam with heavy footed surfers
read my posts
you might be able to pass on some free knowledge
yes my team riders are good surfers
one doesnt compete and the grommet does very well
actually hawkes bay junior champion
not bad for the barnyard
its very easy to make sandwich boards without vents
are you in hawaii
show us your pics hellman
so you reckon you work for surftech and charge in hawaaii
LOL
how come someone with such a great lifestyle is such a grumpy self righteous person
surftech uses a higher density foam
less air
but stiff
i dont vent my personal boards
NZ is cold its not importantmost of the year
Hey Silly
I thought their foam density would have something to do with it , smaller ,tighter cell structure. They blow their own foam don’t they ? The surftechs I’ve owned have been good and bad performance wise and I agree they are a bit stiff but I can’t fault the build quality as all mine stood up when tested. Got to get some better foam for the next ones I do.
Cheers
Mooneemick
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His self reported use/abuse history would make any local shaper tell him to piss off on the refund. FW won’t do that, they have too much class for that.
Um…abuse history? Surfing a load and daring to do something extreme like a duck dive? My last PU board lasted 18 months or so, with no delam, and I only bought the FW as the PU was starting to feel a bit dead when I compared it to my mates boards. If a shaper told me to piss off after 6 months, fairly easy use on a board, that shaper would probably not last long.
Hey OC,
Welcome to the line up, sorry to hear about the “label”, you say your last pu gave you a better experience?
Why not make one since your here, use the “label” as your template, that might make ya feel better and wont make any frothing grommet any worse at surfing.
Its already planned for this summer. A Webber Spoon/Guts Mullet/Bear Wombat/Bonzer Bumblebee style thing. Should be good for fat, small, summer waves. Shaped in my garden…oooooooooooooohhhh yeh.
By “label” I take it you mean the Firewire? I was waiting for someone to have a pop at it :P.
And, just to make it clear, I said “stereotypical, frothing grommet” to let you know that the board gets a lot of use, that I really want to sort this out and cant afford to just buy a new board. Just so you know =].
Occ
I`ve owned a Firewire and a Surftech and my trusty old PU with a gloss coat has outlasted them both, by more than double the water time.
I`m all for advancing technology but not at the price of having my boards fall to bits. One day the “High Tech” boards will be better than a well made PU board, but that day has yet to come!
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Otay
I’ve made 2 composite boards one bamboo skin and one with balsa skin following the pack in Sways composite construction technique. I used insulation foam from a coolroom because I got it for free and had fun building something different. Would like to make more in that style from time to time but one thing puts me off … vents. I’ve had surftech’s before as part of my quiver and never had a problem with delams , denting etc and they have no vents. So what gives… why are firewires vented don’t they have similar construction basics? Is it the heat molding that Surftech use that you alluded to that makes the difference ?
Please tell all Surftech secrets so I can make a board without a vent.
Cheers
Mooneemick
Thank you for your interest in the surftech manufacturing process. First off, surftechs do dent, can delam and break. I am gald your surftech is holding up for you.The highly tooled, percise process using heat and pressure(positive and negative during certain sequencing) allows for the adhesion of composite materials to foam at a superior holding strength than a home builder could ever reproduce. Foam density is of consideration when talking venting, but most home builders would vent at the foam density of a surftech. A common complaint here on this site is that surftechs are too light. The foam density was throughly researched for the best final product when considering strength to weight ratio, overall performance and overall quality that is guarenteed.
To answer your question I would think of ways to totally seal a board under vacuum no matter what the density. This involves preglassed leash plugs and fin boxes if needed. And of course the holy grail for home builders which is to outer shell glass under vacuum with minimal wrinkling of the fiberglass cloth. Placing a vent is as easy as a placing a leash plug, so if you travel alot or live at altitiude it might be wise to vent.
firewires are not surftechs. totally differnt build process. They have a nice gortex vent in them which are idiot proof. A gortex vented eps board can help prevent any leaks via micro holes around fcs plugs, or anywhere on a board. When taking a warm board to cooler water you have a net negative pressure inside the board and you can pull water through any micro holes. The surftech is totally sealed, no micro holes, no vent, no problem.
It is not just one firewire that I know of I have 2 friends that purchased the new Taj model and they delamned after 2 months and that is here in florida waves.Mine delamned but it took longer.I was in a local surfshop that carries firewires and they were telling me about some of the new taj boards coming back with peoples feet going through the deck actually right where the springer is on the deck.later
Take um back and get a new one.
So you have accounted for how many delams now? How many thousands of boards have been made and they are replacing the defected boards. What is the problem? I have repaired one time used T and C Pu/Pe boards with delams on the deck. I have repaired never used pupe boards that got damaged at the store.
A pupe board that got delamed after 2 mos would never get a refund. Count yourself lucky you are getting a refund.
A pupe board to last 40 sessions is good. I have never rode a firewire nor would I ever buy one. They aren’t my taste at all.
Wow, if I had a PU board that delammed after 2 months of surfing - bear in mind I can only surf maybe 3-4 times a week because of the condition, giving a max of 8 sessions, say 5 hours a session, thats just 40 hours of surfing. The kind of delamination Im experiencing on my FW is way beyond what Id expect. On a PU board sunken glass either side of the stringer and some dings in front of the pad would be OK, but this glass is more like a matress now…
Dude, you got a POS board. Take it back and get a new one for free. Do it tomorrow.
Hahahaha, and on that note, I think the thread has run its course. Thanks to all you guys for your help.